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Circuit Breaker  User ID: 766491  United States09/13/2009 12:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hi CB! You said Quoting: Earth420It is Nancy and her followers that dislike "debunkers" and their threads. They're the ones that were calling for censorship. Have I ever called for such a thing? I never said that you did. But many others - like User and ZetaMax, did. I think it may be the opposite, and as I am and have been an avid supporter for some time I think I would be catagorized to yourself as a "follower"... but I think you are incorrect in your statement as such... Quoting: Earth420No, I am not incorrect. However, you are also right...some people have called for Nancy to be banned. A voice of reason in a world of woo-woos. |
| User # 78/68 User ID: 681262  Canada09/13/2009 12:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hi CB! You said Quoting: Circuit BreakerIt is Nancy and her followers that dislike "debunkers" and their threads. They're the ones that were calling for censorship. Have I ever called for such a thing? I never said that you did. But many others - like User and ZetaMax, did. I think it may be the opposite, and as I am and have been an avid supporter for some time I think I would be catagorized to yourself as a "follower"... but I think you are incorrect in your statement as such... No, I am not incorrect. However, you are also right...some people have called for Nancy to be banned. You LIE AGAIN! What compels you to do this? I'm not calling for censorship, I'm calling for honest debate ... not the snivelling lies YOU keep making. |
| ***ZetaMax*** User ID: 761889 United States09/13/2009 12:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hi CB! You said Quoting: Circuit BreakerIt is Nancy and her followers that dislike "debunkers" and their threads. They're the ones that were calling for censorship. Have I ever called for such a thing? I never said that you did. But many others - like User and ZetaMax, did. I think it may be the opposite, and as I am and have been an avid supporter for some time I think I would be catagorized to yourself as a "follower"... but I think you are incorrect in your statement as such... No, I am not incorrect. However, you are also right...some people have called for Nancy to be banned. I've never "overtly" called for debunker bans. However, it's hard to contain my "Schadenfreude" when it happens. The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations. ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997. [link to www.zetatalk.com] ZetaMax |
| Circuit Breaker User ID: 766491 United States09/13/2009 12:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You LIE AGAIN! Quoting: User # 78/68Prove it! What compels you to do this? Quoting: User # 78/68What compels YOU to lie, deceive and insult? I'm not calling for censorship, I'm calling for honest debate ... not the snivelling lies YOU keep making. Quoting: User # 78/68There you go lying again. You've NEVER entered in an honest debate. If anything, you run away from it. When anyone posts a sound and logical reason as to why and how Nancy is wrong, you immediately pounce and attack. You're been asked honest questions for which all that was required was an honest response. Instead, you spewed insults. The only sniveling comes from YOU because you have nothing to prove Nancy is right. But, tell you what, I'll give you a chance to enter into an honest debate. Do you believe Earth is halted in orbit? If so, why? Last Edited by Circuit Breaker on 09/13/2009 12:25 PM A voice of reason in a world of woo-woos. |
| Earth420 User ID: 751883 United States09/13/2009 12:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hi CB! You said Quoting: Circuit BreakerIt is Nancy and her followers that dislike "debunkers" and their threads. They're the ones that were calling for censorship. Have I ever called for such a thing? I never said that you did. But many others - like User and ZetaMax, did. I think it may be the opposite, and as I am and have been an avid supporter for some time I think I would be catagorized to yourself as a "follower"... but I think you are incorrect in your statement as such... No, I am not incorrect. However, you are also right...some people have called for Nancy to be banned. I never said that you did. But many others - like User and ZetaMax, did. But when you "compartamilize" us... you did indeed say followers... Why would we as well call for censorship... if it were for censorship many of us, including those on your end would not be able to say anything, let alone post anywhere as we do! It is the driving factor for most things, the ability to voice and try to come together and debate in an acceptable fashion... but it doesnt always happen that way now does it? But in the end, do you ever wonder why and how it brings us all together? The end result of this happening? And what would be the end result if there is one? We all dont know but maybe it is to be that way... for now... we are here now... and we dont know of Gods plan for all of us... we can agree and be in the same boat together on that... and how we are trying to understand what is indeed going on around us, as ALL is not normal... Peace Love to Mother Earth Always |
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| Circuit Breaker User ID: 766491 United States09/13/2009 01:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Show where I am calling for censorship, OR get PROVEN a LIAR! Quoting: User # 78/68Show where I'm a proven liar. You can run but you can't hide. See how easy it is? Quoting: User # 78/68Thank you, for once again proving me right. On the last page, I gave you the opportunity to enter into an honest debate. And what did you do? Pounce and attack...like you always do. As you can see folks, this is the kind of person User is. He claims he is here for debate, but his actions speak much louder. He proves he is only here to antagonize. ZetaMax, on the other hand, does enter into debates. His theories and claims may seem like ridiculous attempts to support Nancy. But at least he usually tries before resorting to calling people shills. This is something you fail to do. Last Edited by Circuit Breaker on 09/13/2009 02:03 PM A voice of reason in a world of woo-woos. |
| User # 78/68 User ID: 681262 Canada09/13/2009 02:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Show where I am calling for censorship, OR get PROVEN a LIAR! Quoting: Circuit BreakerShow where I'm a proven liar. You can run but you can't hide. See how easy it is? Thank you, for once again proving me right. On the last page, I gave you the opportunity to enter into an honest debate. And what did you do? Pounce and attack...like you always do. As you can see folks, this is the kind of person User is. He claims he is here for debate, but his actions speak much louder. He proves he is only here to antagonize. I just finished PROVING you are that LIAR, Circuit Stupid. You said I am calling for censorship, and I called you on this. Show us all where I have called for this censorship, OR get PROVEN, yet again, that LIAR. See how easy it has become to show who you are CB? For you to continue to argue this point simply shows how corrupt you really are! |
| Earth420 User ID: 751883 United States09/13/2009 02:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Circuit Breaker User ID: 766491 United States09/13/2009 02:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I just finished PROVING you are that LIAR, Circuit Stupid. Quoting: User # 78/68Where? And I just proved that you're a liar. You said you wanted honest debate/discussion. I gave you that opportunity Loser and you blew it....as usual. You said I am calling for censorship, and I called you on this. Show us all where I have called for this censorship, OR get PROVEN, yet again, that LIAR. Quoting: User # 78/68You have ALWAYS called for censorship by telling "debunkers" to get off Nancy's threads. You criticize them for simply posting there. Quit lying. People who have been here long enough know this. See how easy it has become to show who you are CB? Quoting: User # 78/68No, because you haven't proven anything. On the otherhand, see how easy it is to show who you are? For you to continue to argue this point simply shows how corrupt you really are! Quoting: User # 78/68For you to continue arguing this point and post nothing but insults show how corrupt you really are. Like I said, I gave you the opportunity to enter in to a civil discussion about whether the Earth is halted or not. And you refused to do so...even though you had just finished saying you were here for honest debate. What you really meant to say is that you're here to enter into discussion only with anyone who agrees with Nancy. Last Edited by Circuit Breaker on 09/13/2009 02:38 PM A voice of reason in a world of woo-woos. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 526155 Canada09/13/2009 02:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thread: Are Psuedo Skeptics like Randi becoming marginalized? Are Psuedo Skeptics like Randi becoming marginalized?  |
| Reality420 User ID: 759220 United States09/13/2009 03:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For those who don't know the old history of ZetaTalk and Gerard Zwaan (aka Obany from IRC /kick /ban fame): [link to www.skepticalmind.com] "Gerard Zwaan History : On March 3, 1995 Zwaan posts a message in the newsgroup alt.alien.visitors asking for anyone who may be a contactee of the Zeta Reticulans to email him. He states that he wanted to know "what they have to say". Between May and July of 1995 Zwaan is mercilessly spamming the sci.astro newsgroup begging any and all astronomers to visit the ZetaTalk website to read about Planet X. On August 19, 1995 Zwaan made his last ZetaTalk posting to sci.astro. ... Zwaan was a member of the Troubled Times team and Yahoo forums from their beginnings. He is often seen on the Yahoo group tt-watch reminding everyone when the next Zetatalk IRC chat will occurr. As moderator of #zetatalk and #troubled_times on IRC he is known by the handle "obany". Gerard Zwaan is also an interesting aspect of the ZetaTalk phenomena, in that he was perhaps the first true believer in the words of Nancy Lieder. In fact, several personal accounts have stated Zwaan is responsible for the majority of what ZetaTalk contained upon its webpages when it debuted in 1995. From what has been told of the time from well connected sources, Zwaan peppered Lieder with a multitude of paranormal "what if" questions in private communication which resulted in the "core" of 1995 Zetatalk.com. It has also been stated from close sources that Zwaan's personal identity is very much fixated upon the "reality" that Lieder has spun under the name of her Zetas. His emotional commitment to the "cause" is near fully invested, making it perhaps impossible to do anything but ride the proverbial wave until its inevitable crash." Gerard is just an obsessive ZetaTalk flak and has been one for 14 years. He's been spamming usenet for years with ZetaTalk, ZetaTalk Chat, ZetaTalk Newsletter: [link to groups.google.com] This Google search page is their listing of Gerard's postings on usenet. Notice he's been spamming a wide variety of uninterested and unrelated groups with his ZetaTalk announcements. sci.geo.earthquakes alt.religion alt.talk.weather misc.survivalism sci.astro.amateur alt.politics alt.astronomy alt.prophecies.nostradamus alt.conspiracy alt.paranormal etc., etc., etc. Note that there are usually no responses to his spam and if there is, it is usually to tell him to "F___ Off." Anyway, for those who are post-2003 observers of ZetaTalk, keep in mind that Gerard is perhaps the hardest of the hardcore ZetaTalkers. His history shows he has no problem ruthlessly shutting down any dissent from ZetaTalk dogma if it is in his power. You may now laugh at his STO/STS allusions. Have fun. R. |
| Circuit Breaker User ID: 766491 United States09/13/2009 03:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Interesting information. I find it interesting that User calls Candace a whack job, but doesn't think the same of Nancy (or Gerard apparently), even though all of them make many grandiose claims. The only thing I can think of as to why he speaks out against Candace is because Candace doesn't adhere completely to the whole ZetaTalk story...that and she's been trying to steal wind from Nancy's sails. A voice of reason in a world of woo-woos. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 770067  United Kingdom09/13/2009 03:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | but ZT suggests an explanation for that, and very reasonable explanation! Quoting: andrewi came to see things in the same way, long before i knew about ZT, in fact in childhood. though i couldnt put it into words, describe it, much less explain it. now i can! and i KNOW it, not "believe", but KNOW and sure as hell about that! It doesn't need any 'explanation' from ZetaTalk! It's basic human nature and the difference in personalities and character. STS/STO is just woo-woo B.S. You are basically admitting that you have a prior delusion that you wish to seek support for in 'cults' like ZetaTalk. This is what suckers people like you in. Nancy understands EXACTLY how this works, and you have fallen for it. People who insist they KNOW things never really do. It's their insecurity talking. |
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| Realtiy420 User ID: 759220 United States09/13/2009 04:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Interesting information. I find it interesting that User calls Candace a whack job, but doesn't think the same of Nancy (or Gerard apparently), even though all of them make many grandiose claims. The only thing I can think of as to why he speaks out against Candace is because Candace doesn't adhere completely to the whole ZetaTalk story...that and she's been trying to steal wind from Nancy's sails. Quoting: Circuit BreakerI'm waiting with bated breath for a good kOOk-fight from these two. They are both pushing a UFO cult with both of them positioned as the chosen emissary for their 'gods'. Candace is a relative newcomer to GLP and she and her acolytes have also targeted the mental defectives for conversion. Since there is a limited number of potential converts who aren't already invested in another lunatic delusion that severely conflicts with Candace's or Nancy's delusion, they are shaking the same gullibility tree. Candace may have the upper hand since her cult depends upon the existing cult of Urantia. She merely has to convince Urantia believers to accept her as one of the chosen 'ascended masters' whom they should adulate and adhere to. Nancy's cult depends on snippets of virtually every cult so her message may 'resonate' with loons who have been exposed to any of them. Her problem is that she has no pre-existing cult to easily tap. Her's is completely centred on Nancy and the Zetas. In that respect it is a 'new' UFO cult and she has much more convincing to do in her recruitment efforts. Considering their target audience, it is common for the loons to hold multiple, separate, conflicting delusions at the same time so how successful they'll be depends on how crazy their converts are. It's a tough call, but I may have to give Candace the edge. Her job is certainly easier than Nancy's. Have fun. R. |
| The Lone Ranger (OP) User ID: 760616  New Zealand09/13/2009 05:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Show where I am calling for censorship, OR get PROVEN a LIAR! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 770067You can run but you can't hide. See how easy it is? You seem to be mentally unstable. I think there is a great probability, with Luserboy, that we are dealing with a person two bottles short of a six pack. Seriously Luser's behaviour is very abnormal indeed!! Life Is But A Dream!! Therefore, "'Tis better to have dreamed and lost than never to have dreamed at all." ------------------------------------ Disclaimer: DON'T BELIEVE A DAMN WORD YOU READ ON THIS THREAD!....USE DISCERNMENT!! |
| Gerard User ID: 334168  China09/13/2009 05:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| The Lone Ranger (OP) User ID: 760616 New Zealand09/13/2009 05:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | this zeta shit is still going on? Isn't it a bit 2007 don't you think so? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 654301Zetatalk chat threads are at best just pure entertainment value on GLP. The vast majority of GLPer's it would seem do not give Ms LIEDer or her stupid SOZT.....EOZT the time of day. You take the debunker participation out of Nancy's chat threads and what have you left but a small bunch of delusional posters as Ms LIEDer's only audience. A proven fact that Ms LIEDer and her followers just cannot stand to acknowledge is probably the reason why Nancy remains in the backwaters of GLPland. :0 percent: Life Is But A Dream!! Therefore, "'Tis better to have dreamed and lost than never to have dreamed at all." ------------------------------------ Disclaimer: DON'T BELIEVE A DAMN WORD YOU READ ON THIS THREAD!....USE DISCERNMENT!! |
| Circuit Breaker User ID: 766491 United States09/13/2009 05:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ah the debunkers found out who i am ... now i am going to duck and cover. Quoting: Gerard Well that is someting i am not going to do duck and cover. As i don't mind that this stuff is on the web. No one is telling you to take it down. You can post whatever you want on the Internet for the most part. However, that doesn't mean any of it is right and others can certainly post telling you as much. A voice of reason in a world of woo-woos. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 753766 United States09/13/2009 07:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't think Dr Postman knows one whit about the psychology of the organization he claims he has been a member of for all of these years. Quoting: DrPostmanthough it was not adressed to me personally, i will add tp that. they are so desperately trying to disprove that if Nancy/Zetas made a simple statement that "Sun rises in the East" they would claim it is WRONG! truly amazing! one can observe this type of behaviour in those who are in hard denial. the message is so unacceptable for them that they go to just denying EVERYTHING that comes from a source. Nancy is wrong because, once again, she has spouted off on a subject that she has almost no knowledge of. On the other hand I've been involved with my 12 Step Fellowship for 22 years (having celebrated at my homegroup just last night) and in addition I have performed service work for it in the form of being a member of the West TN Area Service Committee Public Information Subcommittee, as well as chairperson of that committee for 2 terms (Its frowned upon to serve more than that in one position but they tried to convince me to stay for one more term). I have even quoted our own Basic Text to Max which he has since stayed silent about. But that's what you guys do. When your red herrings are exposed to move on to newer fish until they stink just as badly. there is a better and more reasonamble explanation - regular pole shifts (actual crustal shifts). And yet not a single geologist anywhere on this planet will agree with you at all. Debunker tactics: "Let's twist again!..." "Weeks, not months" - Nancy Lieder in July 2003 If what you Zidiots have been doing since then isn't twisting I don't know what is. And the whining goes on. I guess we can change the name from debunking crowd into whining crowd. You should know about whining. You bunkers whine about anyone questioning Nancy all the time. I'm not calling for censorship, I'm calling for honest debate ... not the snivelling lies YOU keep making. Then why don't you actually engage is some. I've asked you questions like how God in the 12 Steps has to do with parenting which you ignore in favor of your usual sniping. But when you "compartamilize" us... you did indeed say followers... Why would we as well call for censorship... if it were for censorship many of us, including those on your end would not be able to say anything, let alone post anywhere as we do! Ask yourself what happened to Nancy's web board and then tell us that she doesn't censor. Go look at the archive of TT-Watch prior to May of 2003 and tell me that she doesn't enjoy censorship. Look at the old IRC logs and explain that her kicking people wasn't censorship. Censorship on the old tt-watch was the norm with Nancy. Tristan who started the alt-tt-watch forum made Nancy look like an absent teacher. Not only would he censor and delete but he would also alter other people's posts when he didn't agree with them. Nancy and the bunkers are hypocrites. They claim censorship but then turn around condone it themselves. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 770280 United Kingdom09/13/2009 07:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 770280 United Kingdom09/13/2009 07:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ah the debunkers found out who i am ... now i am going to duck and cover. Quoting: GerardWell that is someting i am not going to do duck and cover. As i don't mind that this stuff is on the web. It is indelible proof of your history of mental illness and total lack of any credibility. |
| ***ZetaMax*** User ID: 761889 United States09/13/2009 07:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | this zeta shit is still going on? Isn't it a bit 2007 don't you think so? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 770280And yet we are still here... time and time again... Peace Yeah, six years AFTER Nancy said it would be all over. What does that suggest? We're getting closer. Soon. The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations. ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997. [link to www.zetatalk.com] ZetaMax |
| TheRestless User ID: 770284  Romania09/13/2009 07:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Circuit Breaker User ID: 766491 United States09/13/2009 08:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We're getting closer. Soon. Quoting: ***ZetaMax***There's that famous bunker statement - "Soon"...which means a point in time approaching infinity. But, I'm forced to agree...we are getting closer. Closer to one more failure for ZetaTalk. Last Edited by Circuit Breaker on 09/13/2009 08:13 PM A voice of reason in a world of woo-woos. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 548017 United States09/13/2009 08:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Menow User ID: 405501 United States09/13/2009 08:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | CB--Just out of curiosity, what's with all the posts on the Zetatalk thread? That was the shortest ZetaTalk session yet until you started bumping it. Is the boycott over? Quoting: DrPostmanI was wondering the same thing. There was only 4 pages, now there is almost double that. Even if the boycott is over I'm still not going to post to her threads. It's a waste of time anyway and all they do is use it to crow about the attention they get. I agree. There is no real debate following anything we might post there as corrections to Nancy's false bullshit. They just ignore it or mischaracterize it as "fear". They just can't accept that people might be fascinated by the phenomenon of Zetatalk's lies being believed by anyone, or feel like they should correct it's chronic lies in the interest of simple ethical standards. |
