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>> They have given us covetousness, greed and cowardice. It is the predators who make us complacent, routinary and egomaniacal.

Indeed. And they are quite good at "harvesting" such emotions and energy. But if they are "intelligent" beings, then they will try to do two things - the same two things we do as well: satisfy todays "needs", and make whatever possible "arrangements" they can to provide for "tomorrow's" needs as well. In order to provide for our daily and future needs, most people who are not wealthy, have to make a "pact" with an "employer". Now, if an inidividual human being, possesses the "ability" to provide MORE energy to these beings than just his/her own "personal" energy - in other words, they can act as "agents" of these entities and assist them in acquiring the "energy" of others, performing deeds in the physcial world these entities, due to their discarnate limitations, cannot otherwise perform. Do you think they would "grant favors" to such individuals (assuming they can)???

Indeed. And they are quite good at "harvesting" such emotions and energy. But if they are "intelligent" beings, then they will try to do two things - the same two things we do as well: satisfy todays "needs", and make whatever possible "arrangements" they can to provide for "tomorrow's" needs as well. In order to provide for our daily and future needs, most people who are not wealthy, have to make a "pact" with an "employer". Now, if an inidividual human being, possesses the "ability" to provide MORE energy to these beings than just his/her own "personal" energy - in other words, they can act as "agents" of these entities and assist them in acquiring the "energy" of others, performing deeds in the physcial world these entities, due to their discarnate limitations, cannot otherwise perform. Do you think they would "grant favors" to such individuals (assuming they can)???

>> They have given us covetousness, greed and cowardice. It is the predators who make us complacent, routinary and egomaniacal.

Indeed. And they are quite good at "harvesting" such emotions and energy. But if they are "intelligent" beings, then they will try to do two things - the same two things we do as well: satisfy todays "needs", and make whatever possible "arrangements" they can to provide for "tomorrow's" needs as well. In order to provide for our daily and future needs, most people who are not wealthy, have to make a "pact" with an "employer". Now, if an inidividual human being, possesses the "ability" to provide MORE energy to these beings than just his/her own "personal" energy - in other words, they can act as "agents" of these entities and assist them in acquiring the "energy" of others, performing deeds in the physcial world these entities, due to their discarnate limitations, cannot otherwise perform. Do you think they would "grant favors" to such individuals (assuming they can)???


I understand what you mean, but I dont think those who act as "agents" do it concioussly ... they are just a playball in the hands of the predator, which is possibly not that inelligent, but more kind of "sneaky", like other parasites (phyical, like i heard there are infections in rats that make them rats being not afraid of cats. Cats carry these microbes without knowing it and provide them microbes with a place to live, without knowing it concioussly). But again, my knowledge is really too small in those topics, basically I am only repeating what I read and made sense to me.

I would agree that is true for the "majority" of human beings. But of those we know as "black magicians", or "evil sorcerers" who supposedly have true conscious interaction with such beings under the auspices of "ritual". Dudes such as "Merlin", "John Dee", "Alistair Crowley" - all just supersititious "silliness", or might there actually BE something to it all??? Castenada discussed the existence of such evil practitioners - hyperbole???

I would agree that is true for the "majority" of human beings. But of those we know as "black magicians", or "evil sorcerers" who supposedly have true conscious interaction with such beings under the auspices of "ritual". Dudes such as "Merlin", "John Dee", "Alistair Crowley" - all just supersititious "silliness", or might there actually BE something to it all??? Castenada discussed the existence of such evil practitioners - hyperbole???


I would agree that Nancy is a 'wicked witch'! No doubt about it!

Then you "agree" with Menow, that she's not just "making it all up" without some form of "external" assistance (human or otherwise - if "human" then she's a psyop operative, else she's a "sorceress"????) Menow has opined that she is doing some of "channeling" - but that is his reason for "denigrading" rather than "supporting" the Zetatalk info.

Then you "agree" with Menow, that she's not just "making it all up" without some form of "external" assistance (human or otherwise - if "human" then she's a psyop operative, else she's a "sorceress"????) Menow has opined that she is doing some of "channeling" - but that is his reason for "denigrading" rather than "supporting" the Zetatalk info.


Actually I don't. I think she's a witch, but in the non-mystical sense. I think she is a highly manipulative ego-centric borderline schizoid who likes writing bullshit to seeing how many people she can con with it.

This tends to be born out by the amount of crap she writes that never comes true.

Well, Gerard... are you going to leave those two sky charts on your site and claim they are from one hour apart when they are clearly the exact SAME chart?


Sigh. Menow or should i say howmo. I checked it and they are different charts, one is from 11:00pm dutch time and the other one 11:59pm dutch time.

And this is the last time that i am going to answer this question.


Here's your page with your two charts, you insipid little twit!

[link to poleshift.ning.com]

Both charts show the stars in the exact SAME positions.

Idiot!

[link to poleshift.ning.com]

Both charts show the stars in the exact SAME positions.

Well, Gerard... are you going to leave those two sky charts on your site and claim they are from one hour apart when they are clearly the exact SAME chart?


Sigh. Menow or should i say howmo. I checked it and they are different charts, one is from 11:00pm dutch time and the other one 11:59pm dutch time.

And this is the last time that i am going to answer this question.


Here's your page with your two charts, you insipid little twit!

[link to poleshift.ning.com]

Both charts show the stars in the exact SAME positions.

Idiot!


Cause there is no change in position. And these charts are from the heavens-above.com site.
But then again i remember your behaviour and you'r as obnoxious now as you where some years ago.

>> I dont think those who act as "agents" do it concioussly

I would agree that is true for the "majority" of human beings. But of those we know as "black magicians", or "evil sorcerers" who supposedly have true conscious interaction with such beings under the auspices of "ritual". Dudes such as "Merlin", "John Dee", "Alistair Crowley" - all just supersititious "silliness", or might there actually BE something to it all??? Castenada discussed the existence of such evil practitioners - hyperbole???

I would agree that is true for the "majority" of human beings. But of those we know as "black magicians", or "evil sorcerers" who supposedly have true conscious interaction with such beings under the auspices of "ritual". Dudes such as "Merlin", "John Dee", "Alistair Crowley" - all just supersititious "silliness", or might there actually BE something to it all??? Castenada discussed the existence of such evil practitioners - hyperbole???


I would agree that Nancy is a 'wicked witch'! No doubt about it!

Then you "agree" with Menow, that she's not just "making it all up" without some form of "external" assistance (human or otherwise - if "human" then she's a psyop operative, else she's a "sorceress"????) Menow has opined that she is doing some form of "channeling" - but that is his reason for "denigrading" rather than "supporting" the Zetatalk info.

>> I dont think those who act as "agents" do it concioussly

I would agree that is true for the "majority" of human beings. But of those we know as "black magicians", or "evil sorcerers" who supposedly have true conscious interaction with such beings under the auspices of "ritual". Dudes such as "Merlin", "John Dee", "Alistair Crowley" - all just supersititious "silliness", or might there actually BE something to it all??? Castenada discussed the existence of such evil practitioners - hyperbole???


I dont know much about these persons you mentioned, but I see your point and tend to agree. Amazone shamans describe it similar.
Regarding Nancy, my personel opinion is she makes it up. But it might as well be possible she believes what she tells and cant help it. It could also be people like Castaneda made it all up. In his later life he also formed kind of a cult around him, with the Tensegrity movements and stuff. But a lot of the stuff he wrote makes sense and can be experienced. Like for example when he describes dreaming, or what many describe "lucid dreaming", I experienced this several times, just to name an example. In everything there is a grain of truth.

Well, Gerard... are you going to leave those two sky charts on your site and claim they are from one hour apart when they are clearly the exact SAME chart?


Sigh. Menow or should i say howmo. I checked it and they are different charts, one is from 11:00pm dutch time and the other one 11:59pm dutch time.

And this is the last time that i am going to answer this question.


Here's your page with your two charts, you insipid little twit!

[link to poleshift.ning.com]

Both charts show the stars in the exact SAME positions.

Idiot!


Cause there is no change in position. And these charts are from the heavens-above.com site.
But then again i remember your behaviour and you'r as obnoxious now as you where some years ago.

I would agree that is true for the "majority" of human beings. But of those we know as "black magicians", or "evil sorcerers" who supposedly have true conscious interaction with such beings under the auspices of "ritual". Dudes such as "Merlin", "John Dee", "Alistair Crowley" - all just supersititious "silliness", or might there actually BE something to it all??? Castenada discussed the existence of such evil practitioners - hyperbole???


I would agree that Nancy is a 'wicked witch'! No doubt about it!

Then you "agree" with Menow, that she's not just "making it all up" without some form of "external" assistance (human or otherwise - if "human" then she's a psyop operative, else she's a "sorceress"????) Menow has opined that she is doing some form of "channeling" - but that is his reason for "denigrading" rather than "supporting" the Zetatalk info.

I would agree that is true for the "majority" of human beings. But of those we know as "black magicians", or "evil sorcerers" who supposedly have true conscious interaction with such beings under the auspices of "ritual". Dudes such as "Merlin", "John Dee", "Alistair Crowley" - all just supersititious "silliness", or might there actually BE something to it all??? Castenada discussed the existence of such evil practitioners - hyperbole???


I would agree that Nancy is a 'wicked witch'! No doubt about it!

Then you "agree" with Menow, that she's not just "making it all up" without some form of "external" assistance (human or otherwise - if "human" then she's a psyop operative, else she's a "sorceress"????) Menow has opined that she is doing some form of "channeling" - but that is his reason for "denigrading" rather than "supporting" the Zetatalk info.


I didn't exactly say "external", bub. Why don't you leave me out of your discussion?

I would agree that is true for the "majority" of human beings. But of those we know as "black magicians", or "evil sorcerers" who supposedly have true conscious interaction with such beings under the auspices of "ritual". Dudes such as "Merlin", "John Dee", "Alistair Crowley" - all just supersititious "silliness", or might there actually BE something to it all??? Castenada discussed the existence of such evil practitioners - hyperbole???


I would agree that Nancy is a 'wicked witch'! No doubt about it!

Then you "agree" with Menow, that she's not just "making it all up" without some form of "external" assistance (human or otherwise - if "human" then she's a psyop operative, else she's a "sorceress"????) Menow has opined that she is doing some form of "channeling" - but that is his reason for "denigrading" rather than "supporting" the Zetatalk info.

And that is not at ALL the reason I have given for not supporting Nancy's info. Why don't you stop speaking for me, hmm?

I don't live in Amsterdam. Maybe some people think that the Netherlands=Amsterdam but that is not the case. Or are you
one of those person that think like this?
So yes the map you made is different cause of a different longitude and lattitude.

Enough said

I don't live in Amsterdam. Maybe some people think that the Netherlands=Amsterdam but that is not the case. Or are you
one of those person that think like this?
So yes the map you made is different cause of a different longitude and lattitude.

Enough said

I would agree that is true for the "majority" of human beings. But of those we know as "black magicians", or "evil sorcerers" who supposedly have true conscious interaction with such beings under the auspices of "ritual". Dudes such as "Merlin", "John Dee", "Alistair Crowley" - all just supersititious "silliness", or might there actually BE something to it all??? Castenada discussed the existence of such evil practitioners - hyperbole???


I would agree that Nancy is a 'wicked witch'! No doubt about it!

Then you "agree" with Menow, that she's not just "making it all up" without some form of "external" assistance (human or otherwise - if "human" then she's a psyop operative, else she's a "sorceress"????) Menow has opined that she is doing some form of "channeling" - but that is his reason for "denigrading" rather than "supporting" the Zetatalk info.


I didn't exactly say "external", bub. Why don't you leave me out of your discussion?

How else would you define "channeling" as opposed to "ordinary imagination" that all of us are familiar with??

I would agree that is true for the "majority" of human beings. But of those we know as "black magicians", or "evil sorcerers" who supposedly have true conscious interaction with such beings under the auspices of "ritual". Dudes such as "Merlin", "John Dee", "Alistair Crowley" - all just supersititious "silliness", or might there actually BE something to it all??? Castenada discussed the existence of such evil practitioners - hyperbole???


I would agree that Nancy is a 'wicked witch'! No doubt about it!

Then you "agree" with Menow, that she's not just "making it all up" without some form of "external" assistance (human or otherwise - if "human" then she's a psyop operative, else she's a "sorceress"????) Menow has opined that she is doing some form of "channeling" - but that is his reason for "denigrading" rather than "supporting" the Zetatalk info.

And that is not at ALL the reason I have given for not supporting Nancy's info. Why don't you stop speaking for me, hmm?

I didn't say you supported Nancy in any way. You don't support her because you think she lies, and that the beings she's channeling are "lying" - so how have I portrayed your position inaccurately???

Could it be that these "magicians" were also wealthy and politically powerful and could influence world events in ways that you and I can only dream of???

Little ole "you" are incapable of starting a "war" where millions will die violently, but there are powerful people in the world who CAN - would the "macrobes" find these folks more "desirable" to make "deals/pacts" with??? (They have something of VALUE to offer them!!!)

No one said this was a "fair" world we live in!!!

I would agree that is true for the "majority" of human beings. But of those we know as "black magicians", or "evil sorcerers" who supposedly have true conscious interaction with such beings under the auspices of "ritual". Dudes such as "Merlin", "John Dee", "Alistair Crowley" - all just supersititious "silliness", or might there actually BE something to it all??? Castenada discussed the existence of such evil practitioners - hyperbole???


I would agree that Nancy is a 'wicked witch'! No doubt about it!

Then you "agree" with Menow, that she's not just "making it all up" without some form of "external" assistance (human or otherwise - if "human" then she's a psyop operative, else she's a "sorceress"????) Menow has opined that she is doing some form of "channeling" - but that is his reason for "denigrading" rather than "supporting" the Zetatalk info.

And that is not at ALL the reason I have given for not supporting Nancy's info. Why don't you stop speaking for me, hmm?

I didn't say you supported Nancy in any way. You don't support her because you think she lies, and that the beings she's channeling are "lying" - so how have I portrayed your position inaccurately???


"Denigrading" = NOT supporting. Try reading again, a little more slowly. I will portray my OWN position, thank you!

I would agree that is true for the "majority" of human beings. But of those we know as "black magicians", or "evil sorcerers" who supposedly have true conscious interaction with such beings under the auspices of "ritual". Dudes such as "Merlin", "John Dee", "Alistair Crowley" - all just supersititious "silliness", or might there actually BE something to it all??? Castenada discussed the existence of such evil practitioners - hyperbole???


I would agree that Nancy is a 'wicked witch'! No doubt about it!

Then you "agree" with Menow, that she's not just "making it all up" without some form of "external" assistance (human or otherwise - if "human" then she's a psyop operative, else she's a "sorceress"????) Menow has opined that she is doing some form of "channeling" - but that is his reason for "denigrading" rather than "supporting" the Zetatalk info.

And that is not at ALL the reason I have given for not supporting Nancy's info. Why don't you stop speaking for me, hmm?

I didn't say you supported Nancy in any way. You don't support her because you think she lies, and that the beings she's channeling are "lying" - so how have I portrayed your position inaccurately???


"Denigrading" = NOT supporting. Try reading again, a little more slowly. I will portray my OWN position, thank you!

Anything you write is fodder for comment, by me or anyone else. As 'The Lone Ranger' LOVES to point out, GLP is a PUBLIC forum. Care to dispute that?

As 'The Lone Ranger' LOVES to point out, GLP is a PUBLIC forum.

As 'The Lone Ranger' LOVES to point out, GLP is a PUBLIC forum.


is a loving and compassionate person, Melfy.

I would agree that is true for the "majority" of human beings. But of those we know as "black magicians", or "evil sorcerers" who supposedly have true conscious interaction with such beings under the auspices of "ritual". Dudes such as "Merlin", "John Dee", "Alistair Crowley" - all just supersititious "silliness", or might there actually BE something to it all??? Castenada discussed the existence of such evil practitioners - hyperbole???


I would agree that Nancy is a 'wicked witch'! No doubt about it!

Then you "agree" with Menow, that she's not just "making it all up" without some form of "external" assistance (human or otherwise - if "human" then she's a psyop operative, else she's a "sorceress"????) Menow has opined that she is doing some form of "channeling" - but that is his reason for "denigrading" rather than "supporting" the Zetatalk info.

And that is not at ALL the reason I have given for not supporting Nancy's info. Why don't you stop speaking for me, hmm?

I didn't say you supported Nancy in any way. You don't support her because you think she lies, and that the beings she's channeling are "lying" - so how have I portrayed your position inaccurately???


"Denigrading" = NOT supporting. Try reading again, a little more slowly. I will portray my OWN position, thank you!

Anything you write is fodder for comment, by me or anyone else. As 'The Lone Ranger' LOVES to point out, GLP is a PUBLIC forum. Care to dispute that?


As usual, you demonstrate that only one response is really required.

Fuck you.