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I agree totally ... I am the dude thats got banned ... I am totally sure it was her ... especially because after the first ban I reseted rooter and all and restarted the PC so I could post what can be seen above ... again I was banned seconds after that ... so I switched all my router and PC off and on again to make the bump ... then I was banned again ... that time more severe it seems, since no other IP I switched to worked. I was tired of switching off/on everything, but now I did again and finally got a workinging IP (this one got another first number, so I guess she banned a whole area to keep me off.

And regarding this I totally not understand why the disrupters on her thread were able to keep posting ... probably KeepingItReal is right ... her thread would be no more than 4 pages without them.

- don't give me that "for nothing but posting here" Nancy is on for only three hours a week, answering sincere questions from those who are truly interested in what she has to say. By spamming the thread with challenges that every debunker knows already she's going to pass on - because she has answered them in the past, and those reponses are in the archives and on ZetaTalk.com - they are interfering with the dialogue going on between genuinely interested parties. Why should she repeat week in and week out the same answers to the same stupid questions??? There would never be time to address current topics if she catered to them. She bans folks who've already been WARNED, and she does it so they don't spam and clutter the thread while SHE is on, and ONLY while SHE IS ON.

Neither do you...although you support it.

Yeah, I took a brief look at pages 10 and 11...not a lot of serious discussion going on there. In fact, I wouldn't really call it discussion at all.

(I hope you really didn't screw up your ligaments)

Last Edited by ***ZetaMaX*** on 10/10/2009 10:56 PM

I was not posting on her thread since months, I was posting on this thread ... my line was:



This got me banned ... must be this one, since I have not posted in another thread for some time before posting the above line.

Then I posted:



Banned again immediately.

After that I posted a

which got me banned again ... and after that I was fed up restarting my stuff to get a new IP.

I used the time to sign up ... Nancy got herself a new enemy today.

Exactly how does my slipping on ice make the "Zetas" right again? Can you explain that one? I thought not.

How does it "not"? Indeed, some things are a "mystery".

What's this thread about?

People here discuss the claims Nancy Lieder / ZetaTalk makes. Also we boycott her saturdays thread (the pinned ZetaTalk thread). The boycott works very good and everyone who thinks her claims are wrong should join the boycott IMO.

I've been reading the "zetacult" for four months. I've come to the conclusion that,,, if the Zetas are a real entity talking into LIEDer's mind,, than I would have to call them LIERS... nothing but LIERS. One lie after another.

I am amazed that there still seems to be people who follow these "prophecies". Even though it's all LIES!?

Wow,, amazing how anyone could possible follow a LIER. Lies, Lies, Lies,, all the Zetas are Liers and hypocrites.

I can't see any good message in all the LIES.

Common sense would tell me to run away from Nancy and her LIEDer's/Zetas.

Even if the Zetas are real,, if I seen one face to face,, I'd punch him/it in the face for LYING to me.. I hate Liers!

:)

Peace

That's odd, they never said anything about me falling. Nor did they predict it. Careful, Max...you're spinning so fast you're liable to fall off!



Last Edited by Circuit Breaker on 10/10/2009 11:10 PM

[link to www.msnbc.msn.com]

MEXICO CITY - Apolinario Chile Pixtun is tired of being bombarded with frantic questions about the Mayan calendar supposedly "running out" on Dec. 21, 2012. After all, it's not the end of the world.

Or is it?

Definitely not, the Mayan elder insists. "I came back from England last year and, man, they had me fed up with this stuff."

It can only get worse for him. Next month, Hollywood's "2012" opens in cinemas, featuring earthquakes, meteor showers and a tsunami dumping an aircraft carrier on the White House.

At Cornell University, Ann Martin, who runs the "Ask an Astronomer" Web site, says people are scared.

"It's too bad that we're getting e-mails from fourth-graders who are saying that they're too young to die," Martin said. "We had a mother of two young children who was afraid she wouldn't live to see them grow up."

Chile Pixtun, a Guatemalan, says the doomsday theories spring from Western, not Mayan, ideas.

A significant time period for the Maya does end on the date, and enthusiasts have found a series of astronomical alignments they say coincide in 2012, including one that happens roughly only once every 25,800 years.

But most archaeologists, astronomers and Maya Indians say the only thing likely to hit Earth is a meteor shower of New Age philosophy, pop astronomy, Internet doomsday rumors and TV specials — such as one on the History Channel that mixes predictions from Nostradamus and the Maya and asks: "Is 2012 the year the cosmic clock finally winds down to zero days, zero hope?"

Grains of truth
It may sound all too much like other doomsday scenarios of recent decades — the 1987 Harmonic Convergence, the Jupiter Effect or "Planet X." But this one has some grains of archaeological truth.

One of them is Monument Six.

Found at an obscure ruin in southern Mexico during highway construction in the 1960s, the stone tablet almost didn't survive; the site was largely paved over, and parts of the tablet were looted.

It's unique in that the remaining parts contain the equivalent of the date 2012. The inscription describes something that is supposed to occur in 2012 involving Bolon Yokte, a mysterious Mayan god associated with both war and creation.

However — shades of Indiana Jones — erosion and a crack in the stone make the end of the passage almost illegible.

Archaeologist Guillermo Bernal of Mexico's National Autonomous University interprets the last eroded glyphs as maybe saying, "He will descend from the sky."

Spooky, perhaps, but Bernal notes there are other inscriptions at Maya sites for dates far beyond 2012 — including one that roughly translates into the year 4772.

And anyway, the Maya in the drought-stricken Yucatan peninsula have bigger worries than 2012.

"If I went to some Mayan-speaking communities and asked people what is going to happen in 2012, they wouldn't have any idea," said Jose Huchim, a Yucatan Mayan archaeologist. "That the world is going to end? They wouldn't believe you. We have real concerns these days, like rain."

Talent for astronomy
The Maya civilization, which reached its height from the year 300 to 900, had a talent for astronomy.

Its Long Count calendar begins in 3114 B.C., marking time in roughly 394-year periods known as Baktuns. Thirteen was a significant, sacred number for the Maya, and the 13th Baktun ends around Dec. 21, 2012.

"It's a special anniversary of creation," said David Stuart, a specialist in Mayan epigraphy at the University of Texas at Austin. "The Maya never said the world is going to end, they never said anything bad would happen necessarily, they're just recording this future anniversary on Monument Six."

Bernal suggests that apocalypse is "a very Western, Christian" concept projected onto the Maya, perhaps because Western myths are "exhausted."

What about the galactic alignment?
If it were all mythology, perhaps it could be written off.

But some say the Maya knew another secret: the Earth's axis wobbles, slightly changing the alignment of the stars every year. Once every 25,800 years, the sun lines up with the center of our Milky Way galaxy on a winter solstice, the sun's lowest point in the horizon.

That will happen on Dec. 21, 2012, when the sun appears to rise in the same spot where the bright center of galaxy sets.

Another spooky coincidence?

"The question I would ask these guys is, so what?" says Phil Plait, an astronomer who runs the "Bad Astronomy" blog. He says the alignment doesn't fall precisely in 2012, and distant stars exert no force that could harm Earth.

"They're really super-duper trying to find anything astronomical they can to fit that date of 2012," Plait said.

Time of transformation?
But author John Major Jenkins says his two-decade study of Mayan ruins indicate the Maya were aware of the alignment and attached great importance to it.

"If we want to honor and respect how the Maya think about this, then we would say that the Maya viewed 2012, as all cycle endings, as a time of transformation and renewal," said Jenkins.

As the Internet gained popularity in the 1990s, so did word of the "fateful" date, and some began worrying about 2012 disasters the Mayas never dreamed of.

Author Lawrence Joseph says a peak in explosive storms on the surface of the sun could knock out North America's power grid for years, triggering food shortages, water scarcity — a collapse of civilization. Solar peaks occur about every 11 years, but Joseph says there's evidence the 2012 peak could be "a lulu."

While pressing governments to install protection for power grids, Joseph counsels readers not to "use 2012 as an excuse to not live in a healthy, responsible fashion. I mean, don't let the credit cards go up."

What about a pole shift?
Another History Channel program titled "Decoding the Past: Doomsday 2012: End of Days" says a galactic alignment or magnetic disturbances could somehow trigger a "pole shift."

"The entire mantle of the earth would shift in a matter of days, perhaps hours, changing the position of the north and south poles, causing worldwide disaster," a narrator proclaims. "Earthquakes would rock every continent, massive tsunamis would inundate coastal cities. It would be the ultimate planetary catastrophe."

The idea apparently originates with a 19th-century Frenchman, Charles Etienne Brasseur de Bourbourg, a priest-turned-archaeologist who got it from his study of ancient Mayan and Aztec texts.

Scientists say that, at best, the poles might change location by one degree over a million years, with no sign that it would start in 2012.

While long discredited, Brasseur de Bourbourg proves one thing: Westerners have been trying for more than a century to pin doomsday scenarios on the Maya. And while fascinated by ancient lore, advocates seldom examine more recent experiences with apocalypse predictions.

"No one who's writing in now seems to remember that the last time we thought the world was going to end, it didn't," says Martin, the astronomy Webmaster. "There doesn't seem to be a lot of memory that things were fine the last time around."

Last Edited by Circuit Breaker on 10/10/2009 11:19 PM

Yupp ... at least she has not many followers anymore. You should visit here frequently ... with a bit of luck you can witness two of her most dedicated followers ... Andrew and Gerard ... you can witness full blown cult-follower madness then.

Fantastic find CB.

Yep, I think Nancy should start preparing her next "white lie." 2012 will be here before she knows it.

I guess she is already working on it. Probably we will wobble into a major timeline shift.

Yes, CB, I like your perseverance. It's funny to see the followers of the LIE, keep spinning until they fall down. It's hard not to kick one who's down and doesn't know when to give up and admit the error.

It's like a train wreck in slow motion,, the motion is very slow for the Zeta followers, it's been 6 years and counting. To bad the zeta/ass face's didn't stop the rotation of the earth or the orbit.. I'd still be in the spring,, not fall.

Let's just enjoy this "extended" time of Earth Stopage.,,,

Sure is ridiculous. Such fools there are to follow such stupidity. What a con job.

And did I mention that the Zetas message is all LIES!?

:)

LOL

Peace

[link to portland.indymedia.org]

A little pearl from Nancys chat today:



This is of course impossible ... "when the Earth temporarily lost its magnetic S Pole" ... an magnetic object can not loose one of its poles ... this is completely impossible. You can de-magnetize an metallic object that was made magnetic before for example, but then it will have no poles at all.
The reason are the magnetic dipoles ... here:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

There are some theoretical ideas on magnetic monopoles:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

But first they could never be proven in an experiment and even if it has nothing to do with larke scale, we are talking about quantim physics on a very, very micro scale when mentioning magnetic monopoles.

So i guess we can say:

ZETAS WRONG AGAIN !!!

Seems like the only ones that are wobbling are the Zetacult.

Weebles wobble and they do fall down.

The Zetacult is a perfect example of a cult. An emmery that hears aliens in her own mind and spews it forth as truth??

pullhheeze,, hehe

Show me the proof and let's hear that "good" message from this bunch of LIERS.

A Lie is the opposite of Truth,,

Where is the Truth in the zeta message?

Amen. Good article.

Go to any community of real Mayas today and ask them about 2012. Depending on how connected they are with the outside world, they will either not have a clue what you are talking about, or they will laugh at you. That is the truth.

As I have said before, I even disagree with the correlation, based on my own research and the wisdom and testimony of people I was blessed to know, I am convinced that the dreaded date passed more than 20 years ago. The ironic part is that the calender cycle ended in the Spring of 1988, just months after the "Harmonic Convergence". There were chicken littles and new age flakes everywhere, whipped into a frenzy. Dancing naked in the moonlight on pyramids and invoking gods whose names they can't even pronounce. According to them, the Harmonic Convergence was supposed to change the world and prepare it for the shift in 2012 "as predicted by the Mayan calendar". If they had waited just a few more months, they could have truly celebrated the end of the great Mayan cycle. ROFLMAO.

Nothing new. I have seen so many doomsdays come and go, and none of them came to anything.

I'd still like to punch a Zeta in the face for being such a lier.

Well ... I can feel ya ... I am not for violence though ... but sometimes reading Nancys bullshit and some posts by Andrew it is hard to control oneselves feelings.

Another pearl from her thread today:

Ahh, no, I wouldn't punch anybody in the face except the so called zetas.. them lying, problematic, hypocritical, non entities,, sure, I'd punch one of those in the face.
:)

peace

If an entity came to me or you or anybody and lied, deceived, and misled for years,, wouldn't you want to punch one of those entities in the face?

;0)

Here we witness Nancy spinning her agenda out of totally normal events:




Guess if the Arctic sea ice melt was more profound than in the last 2 years she would find a way to spin it too.

Here we see the danger Nancy Lieder brings into the life of here believers:



Between the lines she is suggesting her believers should indoctrinate their children with that crap.

Quite right. You can't have a "north pole" without a "south pole." When a magnetic field forms, the poles are by products of that...and you simply can't have one without the other. They are dependent. Much like electricity flows from positive to negative, a magnetic field behaves in much the same way...with the field flowing between the two poles. If the "south pole" disappears, so does the "north pole"...or vice versa. There would be a complete collapse of the magnetic field. As you said: