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I had never even heard of Nancy Lieder in 2003.

That's a pity. If you had you might not be making such a fool of yourself now!

But you were obviously quick to embrace her once you did.

Nancy will not be pleased with you bagging her zetatalk like that!!

But hey there, Melfy, WELL DONE!!

So, you've become stupid since then? I thought you were always stupid.

Anyone can "wonder" about something. It has been explained countless times that Nancy acquired dedicated debunkers by attacking people of sci.astro and shamelessly pushing lies on the internet. Some people react negatively to such lies. Not you, apparently.

He posted it as bait. He is a troll, after all.

DrPostman,

Please show your evidence . . . I have to admit that I was puzzled by NASA's entire pre-event hype and the lack of obvious evidence of success. At least the type of success that would match the pre-event anticipation.


Last Edited by George B on 10/14/2009 01:10 PM

So, did Andrew EVER come back to defend his "No contradictions in Zetatalk" nonsense?

No...which usually means he knows he was wrong.

Here is an image of the IR flash.

There should be no surprise that the event was less than spectactular in the optical spectrum since all astronomical web sites warned that imagers would have to keep the moon just off to the edge of the camera's field of view since the plume would be approximately magnitude 8 in brightness (the human eye can only see to mag 5, so it would take time exposures to see the magnitude 8 plume). With the NASA spacecraft camera aimed directly at the lit surface of the moon, it's no wonder at all that the plume wasn't visible in the images. The camera was set for a proper optical light exposure on the fully sunlit surface, so there was never any hope of seeing a magnitude 8 plume against that bright background. The news media just does not understand this stuff.

Forgot the link...

[link to scienceblogs.com]

I think a lot of people were expecting a fiery mushroom cloud followed by the complete fragmentation of the entire Moon.

Then that simply shows the ignorance of "a lot of people". We're talking about something the size of an SUV hitting a sphere 3000 miles in diameter for Christ's sake.

Max, when are you going to answer the question you were asked yesterday?

User says NASA is embarrassed by this event. I'd like to know what he means by that and how he knows it with absolute certainty. Success and failure are part of the learning process. So this experiment didn't go as NASA had hoped...but why would that mean they're embarrassed? Care to explain that User....or were you really doing the one thing you say you don't do - making an assumption?

Which question was that? I have answered so many ...

He hasn't even posted information supporting his claims about Alaska. When we kept asking him about it last month, he said he needed a little time. It's been a month...how much time does he need?

Just a bit more. I have the info, just have to "collate" it.

What ***ZetaMax*** said:


What ***ZetaMax*** meant:


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Sure you do.

Pathetic sock-puppet troll.

A quote form the above link . . .

"On the other hand, none of the publicity about this mission over the last few days seems to have gone out of it's way to downplay expectations of a big kaboom (I was a little disappointed, and I was only expecting something on the lines of a little-to-middling puff). Public engagement is obviously a good thing, but engaging people labouring under a false assumption could easily backfire."

This is no doubt a PR failure on NASA's part. This gets Football coaches, CEO's and leaders of all types fired. Seems NASA is immune from much of this type of public reaction.

These days, the vast majority of the Great Unwashed are too busy waddling around Wal-Mart in search of new and exciting NASCAR headwear to pay any attention to NASA. Or science. Or hygiene, for that matter, but I digress.

I think the space agency gave up years ago trying to capture the imagination of a people gone too damned stupid to understand the importance of space exploration.

Luckily, there have been enough people left in government to keep some funding going. But that's despite the public, not because of them.

I disagree. The health and direction of NASA is up to the US government, its leaders and the US military. These people are responsible for the demise and lackluster performance of the NASA programs and not due to the lack of imagination and direction of the unwashed masses. Without imaginative, educated and motivated leaders the nation fails. The unwashed masses have always wanted the latest popular trends . . . from the beginning of civilization.

These debunkers always look less than sincere, especially on this latest NASA flub. One them went so far as seeing a plume NOBODY else saw, NASA included. He has been called on it many times already, yet he all he does is bang his fists and stomps his feet and insists he SAW it, in infra-red. But, the fact is, it wasn't there. His LIE is right out there for all to see.

Good for you on this one Dr Postman ... the bullshit you spew got all over ya. NASA must be very proud of you right now!

Ah the hypocrisy! Kinda like Nancy pushing a stalled earth, a dark twin, the disappearance of the south pole, the wobble, planet X, exponential increase in earthquakes, when NOBODY else sees it, no instruments can detect it, and when anyone dares to point this out, Nancy and her followers throw a fit, and insist that they saw it with their own eyes. But the fact is, none of these things are there. Her LIES are right out there for all to see.

Good for you on this one, Luser ... the bullshit you spew got all over ya. Nancy must be very proud of you right now!

"Lackluster performance of the NASA programs"? Are you crazy, or simply ignorant? May I remind you of the fact that we currently have two rovers on Mars that have been operational now for over 2000 days each, exceeded their design lifetimes by more than 20 times. May I remind you of the Mars Reconnaissance Observer currently in orbit around Mars sendiong back high resolution images. May I remind you that the Cassini orbiter has been at Saturn sending back images and data daily for over 5 years after having deployed a lander onto its moon Titan. May I remind you that we have 4 probes that are entering interstellar space...the two Pioneer probes having lasted more than 30 years (FAR beyond their expected lifetimes) and the Voyager probes with Voyager 2 still sending back data after more than 32 years. May I remind you that we recently had the Stardust craft successfully return cometary material and the Deep Impact probe successfully impact Comet Tempel. May I remind you of the New Horizons mission, currently on its way to Pluto. May I remind you of the recent Messenger mission to Mercury. May I remind you of the recent Phoenix Mars polar lander. And on and on and on....

Please try to keep up.