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Indeed my friend!

BULLETIN OF CANADIAN PETROLEUM GEOLOGY
VOL. 26, NO 1 (MARCH 1978), P. 164-168
COMMENTARY ON "CATASTROPHIC TERMINATION OF THE LAST WISCONSIN ICE ADVANCE, OBSERVATIONS IN ALBERTA AND IDAHO"
AND "INUNDATION TOPOGRAPHY IN THE COLUMBIA RIVER SYSTEM"
BY C. W. HUNT IN THE JUNE 1977 ISSUE

L. E. JACKSON, JR.'

In presenting his celestial influence theory for the emplacement of the Foothills Erratics Train and Lake Calgary sediments at the close of the Wisconsin glaciation, Hunt (1977a and b) has in general misinterpreted the few past studies he cited and has ignored the findings of many investigations which easily explain these deposits as the products of unassisted earth processes.

*****snipped for brevity*****

L.E. JACKSON, JR.
LI.

But there are those who have had little science in school
who are easily confused by the claims that are made. Nancy
does come across as someone with facts to back her up. She
only comes across that way. It's when we examine those
"facts" that her claims fall to pieces. Take the excuse
of "tipping the Earth" to simulate seasons while the Earth
is halted. Anyone with any understanding of science would
know that is silly and wrong. Those who don't might think
it's a good excuse to explain how the Earth can be halted,
without even bothering to think of inertial forces when that
halt would have occurred.

I haven't regretted all the years I have tried to civilly
debunk her claims. I have ten years of history in this.
I have gotten countless PMs and emails from people thanking
me for helping to clear up their confusion. Those are the
people who I continue to do this for, along with myself
because I become better educated by doing all the research
I do when providing an explanation. It's fun for me to
learn things this way.

Classic troll behaviour. you are attempting to get people to 'admit' that there might be some kind of credibility to Nancy's crap.

ZetaTalk is BULLSHIT. If you take any part of it seriously you are a moron.

You are a bullshit artist plying your trade.

Hardly, I hope to God, none of her stuff even in the most remote way has any chance of reality. She is destructive.


So why are you trying to get people to waste their time 'investigating' it?

Because of what Dell said . . . she is destructive and continues to be destructive. On this Thread you have months sometimes years to debunk what she is saying . . . most people don't have that history. I hope to shorten the journey.


Good point, George.

I spotted the ZetaCult for probably the same reason any would,, curiosity. Then upon reading and especially viewing a few videos,, I can only conclude that Nancy's Zetas are without any credibility or worth comparison to reality.

Here's a couple thing I see about it,,,

1) The Zetas always LIE
2) Therefore the emissary likewise always LIES.
3) The cult followers sound and act just like their emissary.

zetas fail, right along with the whole cult.

But there are those who have had little science in school
who are easily confused by the claims that are made. Nancy
does come across as someone with facts to back her up. She
only comes across that way. It's when we examine those
"facts" that her claims fall to pieces. Take the excuse
of "tipping the Earth" to simulate seasons while the Earth
is halted. Anyone with any understanding of science would
know that is silly and wrong. Those who don't might think
it's a good excuse to explain how the Earth can be halted,
without even bothering to think of inertial forces when that
halt would have occurred.

I haven't regretted all the years I have tried to civilly
debunk her claims. I have ten years of history in this.
I have gotten countless PMs and emails from people thanking
me for helping to clear up their confusion. Those are the
people who I continue to do this for, along with myself
because I become better educated by doing all the research
I do when providing an explanation. It's fun for me to
learn things this way.

Good words. . . I am trying to represent those people who have not had the time or cannot devote the effort to research months and years of Nancy's statements. It took me considerable effort to discover many of her goofs and prejudices mainly because I don't have expertise in Physics, Astronomy, and Orbital Mechanics. To imagine a 3-D rotational construct of where the Earth is in relation to the planets and constellations is not easy to any one without considerable time and effort. You all know you have been trying to explain this for years to people. I have read books on quantum physics and string theory and have concluded we don't know the extent of the dimensional universe . . . so you listen to all comers. There are many sources which present circumstantial evidence which point to some type of ELE coming sometime in the future. It is being dramatized and presented on the History Channel almost daily. People and especially kids are frightened . . . people need to know what to say and where to go for information. I think you can help.

Sorry,

I have to take my wife downtown. I will be back later and will be happy to answer any question . . . I have nothing to hide. However, I would appreciate knowing who I am responding to . . . that is just courtesy.


Fair enough. I think I may have mis-judged you earlier, for which I apologise. But please, let's not over-intellectualise ZetaTalk - it is complete nonsense and a far better way to illuminate oneself would be to buy a book on popular science than to read all of its pages.

Seriously,the bulk of zetadrool can be debunked with nothing more than elementary school or jr. high school math and physics. It isn't that hard to learn, after all, elementary school students do it every day, or at least did before self esteem became more important than learning something.

I would start with PHYSICS FOR DUMMIES and ASTRONOMY FOR DUMMIES, both are cheap, readily available and do a decent job of getting the basic concepts across with math no more complex than elementary algebra. Good places to start. If you still believe nanny LIEDer after reading those two then you are beyond hope, there is nothing useful you can do in life so you may as well either kill yourself or become a lawyer...;-)

Or he might be like Dell coming to a realization that the
claims that have been made are false, and wants convincing.
Even if he's trolling the convincing will help others. I'd
rather take that approach than an antagonistic one.

But there are those who have had little science in school
who are easily confused by the claims that are made. Nancy
does come across as someone with facts to back her up. She
only comes across that way. It's when we examine those
"facts" that her claims fall to pieces. Take the excuse
of "tipping the Earth" to simulate seasons while the Earth
is halted. Anyone with any understanding of science would
know that is silly and wrong. Those who don't might think
it's a good excuse to explain how the Earth can be halted,
without even bothering to think of inertial forces when that
halt would have occurred.

I haven't regretted all the years I have tried to civilly
debunk her claims. I have ten years of history in this.
I have gotten countless PMs and emails from people thanking
me for helping to clear up their confusion. Those are the
people who I continue to do this for, along with myself
because I become better educated by doing all the research
I do when providing an explanation. It's fun for me to
learn things this way.

Being an octopi won't be so bad - you won't even remember having been human.

What gives you the impression I believe in the Zetas? Most of my earlier comments have been to stimulate discussion and intelligent exchange between opposing positions.


DO you believe in The Zetas? Yes or no will suffice.


No. However, that doesn't mean that I don't believe that sentient life (beyond the human race) is impossible.


Do you believe that Planet X exists?

Her last hooraa .... well, if she believes what she says we STS will end up as octopus on waterworld while she will repopulate the world together with ZetaMax and Andrew.

Seriously,the bulk of zetadrool can be debunked with nothing more than elementary school or jr. high school math and physics. It isn't that hard to learn, after all, elementary school students do it every day, or at least did before self esteem became more important than learning something.

I would start with PHYSICS FOR DUMMIES and ASTRONOMY FOR DUMMIES, both are cheap, readily available and do a decent job of getting the basic concepts across with math no more complex than elementary algebra. Good places to start. If you still believe nanny LIEDer after reading those two then you are beyond hope, there is nothing useful you can do in life so you may as well either kill yourself or become a lawyer...;-)

You obviously think I am wasting my time . . . you could be right but let me ask you a question. Do you know William Dell and his story? Do you think he had no knowledge of astronomy, math, etc? He indicated he was taken in by Nancy. Could not other people waste a lot of time and effort making some bad decisions before the light bulb goes off? Think about it.

3) There are a lot of civilians running around with questions and the best way to treat anyone searching for knowledge is by instruction and education.

They are not "Zetatalk believers" , and if not treated with courtesy and a decent answer here, they will look for the answers somewhere else.

When someone inquires, there is no such thing as a stupid question when providing an answer.

3) I don't believe George B. is trolling anyone. He's to old for that. ;o) He is probably looking for answers to questions like the rest of us. And at least he's polite.

4) After being on GLP and this thread for 3 months, I can see that the number of Zetatalk "believers" has dwindled to a few. Of those few, 3 or 4 make a rare appearance on this thread.
There is no more fight. The war is over and mopping up is all there is to do with Zetatalk. It has no following left to speak of.


1) Nancy Leiders claims have gotten so ridiculous, that it is hard for anyone to take them seriously anymore.And because of that, interest in her is waning rapidly.

2) There are a number of issues that could be researched using the individuals skill sets in this thread, to help understand our reality based on the scientific process.
I think that could be valuable.

3) Even with the demise of Zetatalk, we are still left with an issue.
Nancy Leider through Zetatalk has co-opted a number of theories from people.
And that has tainted the original theories and any discussion around them. (Was that by design?)

Those areas of discussion include telepathy, souls, life after death, Earth and Human history, astral projection, etc.

These are areas of interest that Nancy Leider has borrowed for her own purposes, and any discussion is now clouded by her involvement.
Anyone bringing up those theories in this arena for discussion could expect to be immediately attacked as a "believer" with "more Nancy bullshit" regardless of whose original theory it was. And with that, any rational discussion is out the window.

IMO, a number of theories could be brought forward for discussion and perhaps some consensual resolution based on the combined expertise of a group.

I am interested in that type of debate to expand my own knowledge base, and I suspect that might be what George B is after.

Perhaps this is not the right thread for this type of discussion, and submissions with a developed format.

This thread could be left to its original Zeta talk purpose until the dwindling diehards depart and it's not needed anymore, and another thread devoted to scientific discovery begun.

After all, page after page of insults back and forth get pretty tiresome after awhile, and I see even ZetaMax has grown weary of it.

Just my thoughts;

Kindest Regards
J.William Dell

What gives you the impression I believe in the Zetas? Most of my earlier comments have been to stimulate discussion and intelligent exchange between opposing positions.


DO you believe in The Zetas? Yes or no will suffice.


No. However, that doesn't mean that I don't believe that sentient life (beyond the human race) is impossible.


Do you believe that Planet X exists?

I don't believe it is in the solar system . . . I do believe there has been some historical search for a planetary body to explain a measurable perturbation of the outer planet orbits in our solar system. This is one of the reasons I want some insight from debunkers on what I have read and have seen on video from seemingly knowledgeable experts.

You have no idea what I am thinking. Your first mistake is thinking you know what I think or feel outside what I tell you.

I am familiar wit the Dell story, and I respect his integrity and character.

But I have no idea what his math or physics knowledge was when he encountered zetacrap for the first time. Why don't you ask him? He knows better than I would.

Con artists and the insane can sometimes be quite credible, but that does not mean the stories they tell reflect reality.

You obviously think I am wasting my time . . . you could be right but let me ask you a question. Do you know William Dell and his story? Do you think he had no knowledge of astronomy, math, etc? He indicated he was taken in by Nancy. Could not other people waste a lot of time and effort making some bad decisions before the light bulb goes off? Think about it.

Dr. Postman & Prof. Rabbit.
My apologies for not presenting a response comment on Pyramids and Sodom/Gomorrah this weekend as I had indicated I would.
Video project was dumped in my lap on short notice with a short deadline. This requires me to work ;o(
I will present it within a reasonable time as opportunity allows.
Kindest Regards
J.William Dell


If you would start a new thread and give us a heads up on
this one I would appreciate it. I was actually feeling
guilty for thinking I had missed some replies by you on
that subject and I had plans to find the time to review
over this thread.

There are many sources which present circumstantial evidence which point to some type of ELE coming sometime in the future. It is being dramatized and presented on the History Channel almost daily. People and especially kids are frightened . . . people need to know what to say and where to go for information. I think you can help.


You're going to have to be more specific than that. What is
an "ELE" and what shows on THC are you referring to?

You have no idea what I am thinking. Your first mistake is thinking you know what I think or feel outside what I tell you.

I am familiar wit the Dell story, and I respect his integrity and character.

But I have no idea what his math or physics knowledge was when he encountered zetacrap for the first time. Why don't you ask him? He knows better than I would.

Con artists and the insane can sometimes be quite credible, but that does not mean the stories they tell reflect reality.

Seems we are talking past each other . . . do you think my suggestions are a waste of time or not? I am proposing a more systematic way to inform people of issues knowledgeable people have reviewed and analyzed and given their take on . . . Nancy and Zeta Talk are presently the primary target.

There are many sources which present circumstantial evidence which point to some type of ELE coming sometime in the future. It is being dramatized and presented on the History Channel almost daily. People and especially kids are frightened . . . people need to know what to say and where to go for information. I think you can help.


You're going to have to be more specific than that. What is
an "ELE" and what shows on THC are you referring to?

There are many sources which present circumstantial evidence which point to some type of ELE coming sometime in the future. It is being dramatized and presented on the History Channel almost daily. People and especially kids are frightened . . . people need to know what to say and where to go for information. I think you can help.


You're going to have to be more specific than that. What is
an "ELE" and what shows on THC are you referring to?

(ELE) Extinction Level Events . . . series of "Nostradamus Effect", The World Without People, Bible Code, Seven Ways the World Could End, Leonardo De Vinci's Deluge, and on and on and on . . . I don't have the exact names but I think you get the idea. If you want the exact names etc. let me know and I will get them for you.

By-the-way what does LOL mean? Time for bed, will talk tomorrow.

7.6 km2 against 9.0 km2 australia to cananda- so canada is a bit bigger but not by much...
;-)
You're right. I stand corrected.
Canada
Land: 9,093,507 km2
Australia
Land: 7,686,850 km2
That is a BIG Island! ;o)
Hope to see as much as we can.
Or at least the best of...
My interests include History, Geography, Cycling, Kayaking, local culture, arts and entertainment, and pubs.
JWD

good on ya mate

if ya get up around nth qld (mackay) ways i'd be proud to shout ya a round or 12

The point is most of us do not have the knowledge or background to debunk seemingly logical, well presented, and misleading information. If you want to try to fool me regarding, biology, medicine or law I can take you on. I don't even know were to start to debunk astronomy.

If you keep calling me names, I'll have to quit posting on this thread!!!

Yeah, just imagine this. Nancy's planet x does arrive, oceans sloshing all over the place. Cadavers everywhere, volcanoes exploding and hurricane force winds, earthquakes of magnitudes never before seen on earth, the sweeping arms of the sun doing whatever it is she insist it they will do, the hosing of the tail, everything leaning to the left. Nancy drags herself to the computer one last time to declare HAHA Zetas Right, just before she succumbs to the same death as every other living thing on the planet. Then Nancy "wins". ROFLMAO




Her last hooraa .... well, if she believes what she says we STS will end up as octopus on waterworld while she will repopulate the world together with ZetaMax and Andrew.

No one has debunked this paper other than to complain about the "date" it was written. Care to dispute that???