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In fact, it seems surprising that not more attention has been paid to Nemesis by conspiracy theorists and doomsayers. Planet X (a.k.a. Nibiru from the misunderstood Sumerian text), in comparison, seems like a petty concern when we are talking about a “second sun” that could be responsible for extinguishing life on Earth with alarming frequency.

I knew it. You are here to troll the same tired old Planet X crap that has been debunked numerous times before. You're like ZetaMax and his mammoths.

Sorry,

I have to take my wife downtown. I will be back later and will be happy to answer any question . . . I have nothing to hide. However, I would appreciate knowing who I am responding to . . . that is just courtesy.

Earlier Post:


Fair enough. I think I may have mis-judged you earlier, for which I apologise. But please, let's not over-intellectualise ZetaTalk - it is complete nonsense and a far better way to illuminate oneself would be to buy a book on popular science than to read all of its pages.

Accepted! However, I do think you are missing the serious nature of her presentation . . . you think she is failing . . . I think there are far more people listening to her than you think. There is a ground swell of Exo-politics and many, many outlets that are giving credence to things even beyond Nancy's antics. She will ride the wave . . . I want her off the surf board.

The point is most of us do not have the knowledge or background to debunk seemingly logical, well presented, and misleading information. If you want to try to fool me regarding, biology, medicine or law I can take you on. I don't even know were to start to debunk astronomy.


Strangely enough all you need is common sense. Here is some common sense related to Nancy's concept of a "pole shift" as relayed by the "zetas"


According to Nancy the Earth stops first, then turns 90 degrees in one hour, the Earth currently spins at 1,100mph, one quarter of a turn requires 6 hours, for the same distance to be covered in just one hour we have a change in speed turn speed of 6,600mph.

Part A - where we stop the Earth rotation.
Now 70 percent of the Earth's surface is water, if you stop the Earth's crust from rotating the water will attempt to keep going, not sure? pour a glass of water over a basketball. Easy to see.

So all that water will roll over everything, Mt. Everest included, all this at faster than the speed of sound. Remember the Earth's rotation speed is 1,100 mph.

Part B - where we flip the Earth 90 degrees.
Now all that previous water is beginning to settle back into the basins from where it came, now you tilt the Earth 90 degrees at 6,600,mph, for a very brief time the water will try to stay in place due to inertia however once it's moving the water is now moving at 9 times the speed of sound.

That amount of water at that speed will scour the Earth's surface right down to bedrock.

Now throw in the mega upheavals claimed to the Earth's crust, the massive movements to the Earth's tectonic plates (see the plate graphics here) [link to www.iris.edu]
You now have an Earth's crust that is molten rock, yes the entire planet, the seas turn to super heated steam.

You are dead! So is everything else, right down to microbes.

You obviously think I am wasting my time . . . you could be right but let me ask you a question. Do you know William Dell and his story? Do you think he had no knowledge of astronomy, math, etc? He indicated he was taken in by Nancy. Could not other people waste a lot of time and effort making some bad decisions before the light bulb goes off? Think about it.


Just so you know, George B.

The quick answers regarding

Physics - basic understanding
Math - basic understanding
Astronomy - basic understanding and little interest. I do enjoy the images taken, but the distances involved are too great and have little bearing on my day to day.

I was/am a (terrestrial) photo imager who opened his mouth when he shouldn't have in 2002, and reaped the consequences.

Bad decision - wasted a lot of time.

Cest la Vie.

Regards
JWD

(ELE) Extinction Level Events . . . series of "Nostradamus Effect", The World Without People, Bible Code, Seven Ways the World Could End, Leonardo De Vinci's Deluge, and on and on and on . . . I don't have the exact names but I think you get the idea. If you want the exact names etc. let me know and I will get them for you.

By-the-way what does LOL mean? Time for bed, will talk tomorrow.


Laugh Out Loud. As far as the doomsday shows THC does that
every few months, and I expect more to increase the closer
2012 gets. It just makes good business sense from their
angle to hype that kind of stuff. THC isn't exactly known
for 100% historical accuracy. One show I heard them describe
"Patton leading the German 3rd Army against the Allies". I
nearly fell out of my chair from laughing.

I knew it. You are here to troll the same tired old Planet X crap that has been debunked numerous times before. You're like ZetaMax and his mammoths.

You don't have the courtesy to I.D., yourself why don't you come out in the open? Since I don't know which Anonymous Coward is which . . . who do I address? I hide nothing you can follow all my statements from the beginning until now . . . how about you?

Then maybe we need to debunk the History Channel as well . . .

When it comes to Planet X (Lowell's, Harrington, Iorio, et al) and Nancy's planet x you must not confuse the two. They are two mutually exclusive objects.

As for Iorio's paper, it is available in full here as a download:

[link to arxiv.org]

When it comes to Planet X (Lowell's, Harrington, Iorio, et al) and Nancy's planet x you must not confuse the two. They are two mutually exclusive objects.

As for Iorio's paper, it is available in full here as a download:

[link to arxiv.org]


PXers always deliberately confuse evidence - it is one of their standard techniques. They take evidence of one thing and then twist or spin it to make it seem like it is supporting exactly what they want to believe. Happens all the time.

When it comes to Planet X (Lowell's, Harrington, Iorio, et al) and Nancy's planet x you must not confuse the two. They are two mutually exclusive objects.

As for Iorio's paper, it is available in full here as a download:

[link to arxiv.org]


PXers always deliberately confuse evidence - it is one of their standard techniques. They take evidence of one thing and then twist or spin it to make it seem like it is supporting exactly what they want to believe. Happens all the time.

Issue Sponsor: George B. background: Biology, Medicine, Law


You have a background in biology, consider the following from Nancy's site and the application, quite simply would the following concept work.


quote
Methods of birth control from the Troubled Times survival guide...

Plug and Play

From the Aboriginals of Australia comes this method which is crude, but effective. It requires some primitive surgery. A hole is made in the base of the male penis, into which a wooden plug can be inserted. During intercourse this plug is removed, enabling ejaculation to take place through the hole in the base of the penis. When conception is desired, the plug is left in place. Not exactly an attractive solution, but desperate situations do require desperate measures.
end quote

Amongst George B's 'friends' are andrew and Candace, which I think gives some indication of his allegiance.

Nancy has called up the reserves to try and recover from what has been a pretty bad week for her. First her Saturday chat got disrupted with silly off topic banter, and this week the debunkers have scored big, handing Max his ass over and over again. Nancy almost never comes back twice during the week to post and completely exposing the stupidity of her "lost south pole" nonsense. I guess we should be alert tonight in case she actually does ban people for posting on this thread during her chat. We couldn't get to the bottom of it last week, but this week we will be watching. Someone is running scared, and it isn't the debunkers. LOL.

Just put this latest Zetas RIGHT Again in the ZetaTalk Accuracy section.
[link to www.zetatalk.com]

Along with recent additions of Moon Plume (they were right the Moon bomb thing would not go off as NASA hoped)
[link to www.zetatalk.com]
Shroud of Turin (they were right it was faked)
[link to www.zetatalk.com]
Swine Flu (they were right stating right off it was an engineered virus)
[link to www.zetatalk.com]
Air Force One Flyover (they stated in the chats Obama was unaware and it was done to embarrass Obama)
[link to www.zetatalk.com]
Imploding Buildings prediction coming true.
[link to www.zetatalk.com]

Just a sample of recent Zetas RIGHT Again.
_________________________________________________________

Moon Bomb.
Do experiments always go as hoped by PR? Sometimes they exceed expectations, sometimes they fall short, other times the result is something not anticipated and opens up new avenues of research and discovery. The only people that claim the experiment was a bust are the Zetas and people in the general public that wanted a spectacular show and didn't get one. I fail to see how this is worthy of "Zetas Right".

Shroud of Turin.
So the Zetas agree with most of the scientists out there that the shroud is fake. The only people that have consistently defended its authenticity were people with Catholic beliefs, people that wanted to believe it was the shroud Jesus was wrapped in. Ho Hum. News flash. Lots of people wrote it was a fake long before ZetaTalk, so we have nothing unique here.

Swine Flu
The article referenced at the Zeta Talk link says the following:
"The World Health Organization is investigating a claim by an Australian researcher that the swine flu virus circling the globe may have been created as a result of human error. Adrian Gibbs, 75, who collaborated on research that led to the development of Roche Holding AG's Tamiflu drug, said in an interview that he intends to publish a report suggesting the new strain may have accidentally evolved in eggs scientists use to grow viruses and drugmakers use to make vaccines." It is quite a stretch to suggest this is proof of an "engineered" virus. Keep trying Nancy, and I really do hope you are right about no pandemic as flu season kicks off.

Air Force One Fly over
Nowhere does your own compilation of who said and did what suggest that they were trying deliberately to embarrass the president. Quote from ZetaTalk link: "When asked why he failed to do so, he did not offer a coherent explanation. He stated that it was not a conscious decision - he did not intend not to notify them," it said. "Instead, he suggested that it may have been an oversight.""

Imploding buildings
Lame Lame Lame. Just as lame as the imploding bridges, all one of them. Wow you really went out on a limb to predict buildings will collapse. Of course they do, all the time, but there is absolutely no evidence that this is happening more frequently, much less that it is caused by an imaginary planet.

As always, Nancy's prediction accuracy track record is zero.

Just put this latest Zetas RIGHT Again in the ZetaTalk Accuracy section.
[link to www.zetatalk.com]

Along with recent additions of Moon Plume (they were right the Moon bomb thing would not go off as NASA hoped)
[link to www.zetatalk.com]
Shroud of Turin (they were right it was faked)
[link to www.zetatalk.com]
Swine Flu (they were right stating right off it was an engineered virus)
[link to www.zetatalk.com]
Air Force One Flyover (they stated in the chats Obama was unaware and it was done to embarrass Obama)
[link to www.zetatalk.com]
Imploding Buildings prediction coming true.
[link to www.zetatalk.com]

Just a sample of recent Zetas RIGHT Again.
_________________________________________________________

Moon Bomb.
Do experiments always go as hoped by PR? Sometimes they exceed expectations, sometimes they fall short, other times the result is something not anticipated and opens up new avenues of research and discovery. The only people that claim the experiment was a bust are the Zetas and people in the general public that wanted a spectacular show and didn't get one. I fail to see how this is worthy of "Zetas Right".

Shroud of Turin.
So the Zetas agree with most of the scientists out there that the shroud is fake. The only people that have consistently defended its authenticity were people with Catholic beliefs, people that wanted to believe it was the shroud Jesus was wrapped in. Ho Hum. News flash. Lots of people wrote it was a fake long before ZetaTalk, so we have nothing unique here.

Swine Flu
The article referenced at the Zeta Talk link says the following:
"The World Health Organization is investigating a claim by an Australian researcher that the swine flu virus circling the globe may have been created as a result of human error. Adrian Gibbs, 75, who collaborated on research that led to the development of Roche Holding AG's Tamiflu drug, said in an interview that he intends to publish a report suggesting the new strain may have accidentally evolved in eggs scientists use to grow viruses and drugmakers use to make vaccines." It is quite a stretch to suggest this is proof of an "engineered" virus. Keep trying Nancy, and I really do hope you are right about no pandemic as flu season kicks off.

Air Force One Fly over
Nowhere does your own compilation of who said and did what suggest that they were trying deliberately to embarrass the president. Quote from ZetaTalk link: "When asked why he failed to do so, he did not offer a coherent explanation. He stated that it was not a conscious decision - he did not intend not to notify them," it said. "Instead, he suggested that it may have been an oversight.""

Imploding buildings
Lame Lame Lame. Just as lame as the imploding bridges, all one of them. Wow you really went out on a limb to predict buildings will collapse. Of course they do, all the time, but there is absolutely no evidence that this is happening more frequently, much less that it is caused by an imaginary planet.

As always, Nancy's prediction accuracy track record is zero.





It looks as though you'll believe anything the government throws at ya ... any and every government explanation of unknown things.

And you think people listening to Nancy are gullible? Jees man, you should read what YOU write.

And you think people listening to Nancy are gullible? Jees man, you should read what YOU write.

The bomb is to dig a cavern that will presumably protect the elite in their erected structures from debris in the tail of Planet X. How will all this fare, in the short time between now and the pole shift? Poorly, but the details of their failure is something we prefer to withhold, less they learn from our warnings. True karma is prevailing on Earth, with the elite not faring any better than the common man.

We stated when asked about this mission earlier, that the mission would not go as expected, not be a success for the elite who hope to go to the Moon to avoid the pole shift on Earth, returning after the shift. If we can push the erratic Moon into place so that eclipses seem to be happening as expected, we can certainly nudge a tiny probe to hit rock rather than dust. And this is what was done, with the permission of the Council of Worlds. The elite had hoped to get public funding into NASA to continue the plan to put man back on the Moon in a permanent base, which now is a dashed hope. The elite may have their own funds, but wanted the expertise at NASA to do the work for them, as they do not want to be seen as reacting to all the pole shift warnings. Now they must fund this themselves, and anticipate potential interference from the Council of Worlds. We warned the elite: inform the public about what is coming or suffer the same fate as the common man, stuck on the surface of Earth. The Moon plumb failure is just an explanation point on the end of this statement.

[link to www.jpl.nasa.gov]



You can't believe NASA. Except when you CAN believe NASA, I guess. :)

[link to www.jpl.nasa.gov]



You can't believe NASA. Except when you CAN believe NASA, I guess. :)


Very good point ... if it seems (!) to fit the bunkers theory, NASA can be trusted ... if not, NASA does cover up.

And you think people listening to Nancy are gullible? Jees man, you should read what YOU write.

In fact, it seems surprising that not more attention has been paid to Nemesis by conspiracy theorists and doomsayers. Planet X (a.k.a. Nibiru from the misunderstood Sumerian text), in comparison, seems like a petty concern when we are talking about a “second sun” that could be responsible for extinguishing life on Earth with alarming frequency.


I knew it. You are here to troll the same tired old Planet X crap that has been debunked numerous times before. You're like ZetaMax and his mammoths.

The mammoths have NOT been "debunked". NOT AT ALL!!!

I suspect Nancy's chat will be a smorgasboard of sockpuppets tonight. She desperately needs to convey a sense of popularity tonight.

The mammoths have NOT been "debunked". NOT AT ALL!!!

Preserved remains, genetic evidence

Preserved frozen remains of woolly mammoths have been found in the northern parts of Siberia. This is a rare occurrence, essentially requiring the animal to have been buried rapidly in liquid or semi-solids such as silt, mud and icy water which then froze.

This may have occurred in a number of ways. Mammoths may have been trapped in bogs or quicksands and either died of starvation or exposure, or drowning if they sank under the surface. They may have fallen through frozen ice into small ponds or potholes, entombing them. Many are certainly known to have been killed in rivers, perhaps through being swept away by river floods; in one location, by the Berelekh River in Yakutia in Siberia, more than 9,000 bones from at least 156 individual mammoths have been found in a single spot, apparently having been swept there by the current.

To date, thirty-nine preserved bodies have been found, but only four of them are complete. In most cases the flesh shows signs of decay before its freezing and later desiccation. Stories abound about frozen mammoth corpses that were still edible once defrosted, but the original sources (e.g. William R. Farrand's article in Science 133 [March 17, 1961]:729-735) indicate that the corpses were in fact terribly decayed, and the stench so unbearable that only the dogs accompanying the finders showed any interest in the flesh.

In addition to frozen corpses, large amounts of mammoth ivory have been found in Siberia. Mammoth tusks have been articles of trade for at least 2,000 years. They have been and are still a highly prized commodity.

Guyuk, the 13th century Khan of the Mongols, is reputed to have sat on a throne made from mammoth ivory, and even today it is in great demand as a replacement for the now-banned export of elephant ivory.

Since there is a known case in which an Indian elephant and an African elephant have produced a live (though sickly) offspring, it has been theorised that if mammoths were still alive today, they would be able to interbreed with Indian elephants. This has led to the idea that perhaps a mammoth-like beast could be recreated by taking genetic material from a frozen mammoth and combining it with that from a modern Indian elephant. Scientists hope to retrieve the preserved reproductive organs of a frozen mammoth and revive its sperm cells. However, not enough genetic material has been found in frozen mammoths for this to be attempted.

The complete mitochondrial genome sequence of Mammuthus primagenius has been determined, however (J. Krause et al, Nature 439,724-727, 9 Feb 2006). The analysis demonstrates that the divergence of mammoth, African elephant, and Asian elephant occurred over a short time, and confirmed that the mammoth was more closely related to the Asian than to the African elephant.

As an important landmark in this direction, in December 2005, a team of German, UK & American researchers were able to assemble a complete mitochondrial DNA of the mammoth, which allowed them to trace the close evolutionary relationship between mammoths and the Asian elephant. African elephants branched away from the woolly mammoth around 6 million years ago, a moment in time intriguingly close to that of the similar split between gorillas, chimps and humans.

Imploding buildings
Lame Lame Lame. Just as lame as the imploding bridges, all one of them. Wow you really went out on a limb to predict buildings will collapse. Of course they do, all the time, but there is absolutely no evidence that this is happening more frequently, much less that it is caused by an imaginary planet.

As always, Nancy's prediction accuracy track record is zero.

It looks as though you'll believe anything the government throws at ya ... any and every government explanation of unknown things.

And you think people listening to Nancy are gullible? Jees man, you should read what YOU write.