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Salad is too gourmet, should I run to the store for some iceberg? Probably you prefer the stuff that is all prewashed, precut and packaged nicely for you? No thinking involved.

Perfect choice for a zetatard, no thought required, just swallow whatever you are handed.

Have you ever checked out the picture menu
from Ms LIEDer's website of her rogue planet X gallery?

Now there's some strange language.....aka lens flares; and sunlight behind clouds; and even a little bit of photoshop here and there.

Last Edited by The Lone Ranger on 10/24/2009 02:10 AM

well, sorry commentator, but it was you who mentioned the difficulty with the word salad, so I thought maybe it was a little too scary for you. I meant that maybe you needed the packaged kind. It's okay, my kids are picky eaters sometimes too. It's one of those things you get over when you grow up.. sorta like name calling.

well, no I haven't. I am thinking it must be something worth looking at though, given your devotion.

Yes there was a time where I read through the entire Zetatalk website.....that's how I come to realise that MOST concepts; ideas; theories; historical data; and much more; were straight out plagiarized material from other websites; books; videos; magazines etc etc.
The only original material from Ms LIEDer is some of her more bizarre aspects of her writings....such as the halted earth crap; simulated seasons; Starburst Candy moments; etc etc. Also, Nancy puts on to most things her own illogical "zeta" spin. Even the concept of the zetas is NOT original. Nancy's emissary claim is also NOT original.

A classic sign of Ms LIEDer's narcissistic tendencies is her many examples of slandering others who have claimed to have similar knowledge of this rogue planet.....especially towards
those who claimed a similar or different timeline for its arrival in our inner Solar System.

Ms LIEDer even has a beef with The History Channel.

Last Edited by The Lone Ranger on 10/24/2009 02:46 AM

Dell, I suggested the very same thing once and you know what? User attacked me for it and denied that was the cause. I even suggested that there was nothing different with the sun at all but that it was the atmosphere or possibly pollutants in the air that might be causing their change in perception...again, nothing but attacks from User because my suggestions didn't adhere to his preconceived beliefs that their any change is caused by "Planet X."

Even if the sun had changed color (which it hasn't) none of the bunkers has explained why such a thing should be caused by Nancy's imaginary planet. Typical of their non-joined-up thinking.

Freestore is a troll. 78/68 is a congenital idiot.

OMG! OMG! The flunkers were right! This morning I started my run at 6:00 and it was still dark since the sun doesn't rise until almost 7:00 here. As I was running, I looked up and noticed there were absolutely no stars!! Not one constellation...nothing! This is absolute proof that "Zetas" are tilting Earth back and forth!

Ooops! My bad! I just glanced out the window and noticed it was just overcast and that's why I couldn't see the stars. But it's obvious the government is chemtrailing the whole sky so I couldn't see "Planet X" at sunrise. If you don't believe that, then you're obviously paid to be here.

If you stop bad-mouthing Nancy and those who find her material "interesting", I will put in a good word for you the next time the Zetas contact me. Of course, because such meetings remain in the subconscious, I won't be able to tell when that has taken place - but you can trust me to stay true to my word!!

As I stated above, one has to be careful with how they express the color of the sun. If someone were to say, "The sun is yellow." Well, that's technically not true. It only appears yellow due to the Earth's atmosphere. But I would understand what the person meant. I mentioned on a previous page that it was the Earth's atmosphere that made the sun appear yellow and, naturally, I was attacked by User for even saying that. He claimed I didn't know what I was talking about even though though my post was based on information I obtained from the Internet. But, I digress. As I was saying, "debunkers" need to word their responses carefully because we know how User likes to play word games and take things out of context. So, you need to remember that the sun is actually white but appears yellow due to Earth's atmosphere. This is most noticeable in the early morning and late afternoon...especially sunrise and sunset because the sun's light has to pass through more of Earth's atmosphere to reach your location and more of the blue and violet light spectrum are filtered out. At noon, the sun's light doesn't have to pass through as much, therefore, less of the blue and violet spectrum are filtered out. So, in actuality, the flunkers are right when they say the sun is white. However, they're implying that the sun used to be yellow and that it's color change is related to "Planet X." That is obviously wrong since the sun is white and has been. If the color of the sun appears different, which I don't think it does, then the change is with the atmosphere...not the sun. Something I suggested once before and was attacked for. But this page tends to support my claim:
[link to www.universetoday.com]

Now, I also did a search for sunset images from 1970 and found the following:
[link to www.tranzoa.net]

Now, compare that with an image of sunset from this year:
[link to www.screenwritingforhollywood.com]

Do you see a lot of difference in the color? No.

So, flunkers, let's see what you have to suggest that the sun has indeed changed.

Last Edited by Circuit Breaker on 10/24/2009 10:07 AM

What more proof does anyone need that Max is not a fence sitter?

Max now fancies himself a contactee and a fence sitter. What a joke. Just like when he first told us he was a 911 survivor. He made it sound like he was right in the middle of all the mayhem, and now he says he was more than a mile away when the building came down. He is just a lying troll. The only fence he sits on is the one around Nancy's outhouse.

That is not "proof". I can remain "open-minded" about such possibilities, while prepared to entertain and even embrace new evidence that contradicts these "potentials".

I was sitting in my cubicle on the 31st floor of Tower One when the building was struck. How much more "in the middle" does one need to be??? People directly ABOVE me DIED, and people directly BELOW me DIED, while I sat in a chair that less than two hours later would melt in a nuclear driven inferno that energetically disintegrated everything that conducted electricity. I was quite literally "in the middle" of it! If that doesn't qualify me to the title "9-11 Survivor", I don't know what does.

Last Edited by ***ZetaMaX*** on 10/24/2009 10:19 AM

And yet, you reject every possible explanation "debunkers" have posted showing how and why Nancy is wrong. You've even gone so far as to imply that we're paid to it.

Sorry, Max, your actions say otherwise.

How did people below you die Max? Each tower was struck by only one plane.

WRONG - I have "entertained" all debunk-er arguments, and have dismissed none of them. I simply have failed to elevate them from the status of "hypothesis" to the realm of "absolute fact" - which is what the debunk-ers continually push every visitor to Nancy's threads to do.

1) There is a high level of antagonism between both camps with this debate. Especially amongst the longer term proponents and opponents. It can be difficult to keep a discussion civil and not let it degenerate to name calling and insults.

As for myself, I will remain civil and courteous in my replies, try to stick to the points, and not resort to ad hominem attacks.

Working under the premise that the best defense is not to give offense, and that you will catch just as many flies with honey as you will with shit.

Although there may not be agreement between people, there should at least be understanding and a level of respect in our discourse.

2) Pollution is becoming a greater factor in our atmosphere and is making a noticable difference in our colour perception, compared to years ago, especially at dusk.


Kindest Regards
J.William Dell

People died in the LOBBY. "Supposedly" the fireball traveled down the elevator shafts and blew the doors open and filled the lobby with a fireball that killed a least a dozen people instantly, and left many with third degree burns - including a co-worker who was coming in through the external revolving door and had only about six inches of interior space open when he was struck.

I've noticed on certain days that the days seem bright, dare I say, even white as compared to a yellow tint. But I also noticed on those days that the sky wasn't perfectly clear...instead, there was a haze. I believe this haze is simply reflecting light back towards the surface creating a brighter effect. And I believe it is also making the light appear whiter. I notice on days after a storm that the sky is much deeper blue and the light appears more yellow.

I find that a little hard to believe but I wasn't there so I don't know. I guess it could happen. Once the force of a blast is in the shaft, it doesn't really have anywhere to go but up or down. But wouldn't it have blown the doors off every floor as it went?

Guess what, Freaky... that means the color of the Sun hasn't changed since the Apollo Moon landings.

That's basically what I have been saying all along, but for slightly different reasons. There is no agreement by common people on what "color" the Sun is(appears). Some might say yellow and some might say white, depending on the person, the day, the part of the sky where the Sun is viewed, etc, etc. This whole "color of the Sun" argument is absurd. Look what happened when you asked Freaky what was causing the alleged change? No response... They somehow connect the alleged change to Nancy's planet, but they don't even say HOW it is connected! HAR! What a waste of time...

HEY! I just realized that *I* am a 911 survivor too! I was a little farther away when the buildings fell, but I SURVIVED it! Cool me!

Heh.

So you don't believe that Earth is orbiting normally? Why? I know... You just refuse to ever decide ANYTHING. How do you live from day to day if nothing around you is solidly decided to be real?

A bright white Sunset

:sun.set:

Precisely my thinking. I remember after walking down 30 flights of stairs (exiting the stairwell on the second floor interior balcony that ringed the tower lobby that filled the entire space of the first two floors), that the lobby looked "dirty", "sooty", with some broken marble and glass. All security personnel that guarded the entrances to the elevators were dead (I learned that later). I don't buy the "fireball" explanation at all. I think charges were planted. As a result of the disaster in the lobby, the fire alarm did not go off for FIFTEEN MINUTES, and there was no PA system available for instructing those in the building.

Last Edited by ***ZetaMaX*** on 10/24/2009 11:08 AM

It's simple actually. I know that atomic physics teaches that the laptop I'm typing on is mostly empty space. Yet, my five senses do not "experience" that "reality". Likewise my five senses indicate that in terms of everyday living, the sun rises and sets, and the seasons still come and go. I can function in life by "going along" with what my senses tell me, without "deciding" that what they tell me is "absolute truth".