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They probably have not recovered from their laughter yet.


I heard she renovated her house with some money she got for the nonprofit organisation.



Hadn't heard that, don't know one way or the other. But you could ask her drooling moron son melfy! Oh wait, he would just lie. Never mind...
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Administration & Operation
All outstanding expenses through the end of 1999 have been paid, including $495 for 1999 operations. Quickbooks upgrades were purchased, a corporate bank account opened at the headquarters site, and the interim Gift Pool operation subsequently closed.

Guest Cottage
The Board allocated $400 for supplies and tools to repair a cottage at the headquarters site which is available to be used as a guest cottage. Additional repairs are needed, though the cottage is operational and housed a guest working on headquarters cleanup during the summer of 1999.


Demonstration projects which saw progress during 1999 were sited at the headquarters, and include:

Storm Shelter
$2,000 was contributed toward this demo in 1999 by Bruce and Barbara White, but has been set aside toward the purchase and installation of an off-the-shelf buried storm shelter with a metal trap door. Additional funds are needed to complete this demo.

Family Garden
An old garden site, neglected for decades, required extensive preparation before a garden could be planted in 1999.
The Board designated $725 during 1999 to cover equipment and supplies.

The garden, tended by Ron Darby, produced spectacular 15' high seed corn as well as sweet corn and several varieties of beans and squash.

Seed for the Seed TEAM was collected.

Root Cellar
The Board allocated $400 to install a wall and door and storage containers in a portion of the basement of the headquarters building under the steeple, surrounded on 5 of 6 sides with stone walls. Biennial produce from the garden was stored in the Root Cellar to produce seed the following year.

Hand Tools
A variety of antique hand tools were donated by the headquarters site owner, Nancy Lieder, to the corporation. These include scythes, drills, saws, hammers, and grinding wheels. Cleanup of the rusty tools was started in 1999 by Ron Darby.

Wetlands as Food
A bushel of wild rice was sown by Nancy Lieder and Shuichi Inoue in 1999 at a cost of $120.

Prototypes that saw progress during 1999 were situated at the headquarters, the only site made available as of the end of 1999, include:

Worm Beds
The Board allocated $250 for worm bed materials. The worm beds will be built according to the design used by the Vital Earth company of Australia - raised beds watered from above, with a metal drain to collect the liquid fertilizer below. An antique washer with wringers was purchased for $250 to demonstrate purging and crushing by wringing the earthworms.

Hydroponics
A space for both the worm beds and hydroponics was cleared in the basement of the headquarters building and power washed by Ron Darby. Plans were made by the site owner, Nancy Lieder, to upgrade the plumbing and electrical infrastructure to support hydroponics pumps and lights.


Grants and Gifts

The corporation received several generous gifts during 1999, some of which were designated for certain projects.

John Kelso ($800) and Milly Gumper ($200), both members of the Seed TEAM, funded it's continuing support.

Barbara and Bruce White ($3,000) provided a generous start to a bermed and metal roofed storm shelter to demonstrate pole shift survival techniques.

Several anonymous gifts ($1,000, $625, and $500) were used by the Board with other non-designated gifts to fund various projects.


2000

Grants and Gifts

The corporation received several generous gifts during 2000, notably from the Julia Dula Foundation, John Kelso, and Knowledge Systems as well as a generous anonymous contribution. Contributions for 2000 at end of year totalled $45,640.97.

Fixed Assets
Assets
Seed Gardens 4,145.30
Hydroponics 5,507.16
Educational Outreach 2,519.02
Admin 169.95
--------- -----------
Total Assets 12,341.43
--------- ----------- -----------
Total Fixed Assets 12,341.43
--------- ----------- -----------
TOTAL ASSETS 21,099.66


Expense
Administration and Web Hosting 3,859.94
Program Expenses
Seed - Gardens 3,088.27
Bermed Shelter 1,587.30
Hydroponics 1,250.98
Aquaponics 1,440.32
Worm Beds 2,193.31
TV Video Clip 1,241.09
Brochure 1,000.00
UNIX Servers 2,496.40
Ham Radio 1,056.44
---------- ------------
Total Program Expenses 15,354.11
Administration 1,056.09
Office and Site 3,175.39
Professional Fees 384.30
Travel 5,889.00
Utilities 422.60


From: Jan
Date: Mon Sep 29, 2003 5:21 am
Subject: Resignation from TT Inc. Board of Directors

I hereby resign from my position as Internal Auditor and Vice
President of Troubled Times Inc, effective immediately.

The reasons for my resignation are:

* The lack of proper accounting and Annual Report for 2002, making it
impossible to carry out my duties as Internal Auditor.
Please see the Internal Auditor's statement for 2002 in
[link to groups.yahoo.com] for further
details.

* The lack of activity and future planning within the Inc.
Over the 3 last months, the board has been discussing the future operation
of the non-profit, while the only activity has been less than 2 dozen
booklet requests. No other projects are currently operating.

The discussion on future operation ended up as a discussion on booklet and
mission wording only. No discussion has been initiated on the operation of
the non-profit as such, suggestion or initiation of any new activities or
projects, fund raising etc.

* The relationship between the TT Inc and the so-called volunteer group.
In a message dated June 21, 2003, I initiated a discussion on the
relationship between the two entities.
See [link to groups.yahoo.com] for further details.
This initiative was first obstructed from the July agenda by the VP Admin,
then tabled by the President in that same meeting, and now omitted from
the August agenda.

As a result, the only assets available to the TT Inc. is the non-profit
section of the ZetaTalk web-site (plus some agricultural equipment and two
inoperable Linux servers.) The Troubled Times web content is without any
defined ownership, and free for anyone to use. Currently, it is only
available as an integral part of the ZetaTalk site. The TT lists are
likewise without defined ownership. The TT Forum is currently inactive
with respect to any relevant solution sets, and TT Watch dominated by
skeptics.

* Unprofessional conduct during the Board Meetings.
I'll refrain from going into any details on this issue, as the logs are
available for anyone interested.

It is my opinion that the TT Inc. has not shown itself capable of dealing
with the situation arising after the failed ZetaTalk prediction of a pole
shift in May, 2003, and is now without justification for further operation.

Regards,
Jan Rypdal
former VP & Internal Auditor
TT Inc
"Anger is a wind that blows out the lamp of your mind"
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Nancy has had a rough weekend. She has blatantly lied about the content of the posts she deleted before banning that poster. He posted her own words. She came back and claimed they were posted out of context, until the same poster came back at her with links to HER site, HER words. He didn't comment, just used her own drivel and let it speak for itself. Her only recourse was to get rid of the offending posts and ban the guy for daring to throw her own words back at her, and now she and her pathetic little band of sockpuppets claim he did more than just post her words. Good thing we have the exact quotes posted here, with time stamp. Will she dare come and start messing with this thread too?

She also showed her mean streak. By her own reckoning, she only has to be a nice STO a little more than half the time, this is an attempt to justify her meanness without making her look less than what she herself reckons she is, a mix of Mother Teresa and Joan of Arc. ROFLMAO


Do you wish for your entire life to be summed up by one or two sentences you uttered years before???

No?

Then abstain from same!

I don't see your point, unless the only safe point for you to comment on is the Mother Teresa/Joan of Arc comment, and even then, it's pretty lame.

You can tell a lot about a person not just by what they choose to reply to, but also by the things they don't reply to. Notice Maxikurt doesn't address the lies and dishonesty and despotism she displayed last night. He skims right past that and seizes on the second part to defend Nancy. Again, all I did was paraphrase her own words, which you can easily find in the archives of ZetaTalk.

I don't care what others know me for, but I am not in the public eye, I don't seek it, I don't bask in it. Nancy puts herself out there willingly. She has compiled mountains of bullshit, lots of it, bullshit that contradicts more bullshit, and she has never gotten anything right. Since she seeks the public attention, it follows that she is known by the body of her work.

Are you saying that since she said it a long time ago we shouldn't apply it today? In that case, I guess we can rule out all of those things she said back in 1995, 2000, 2003, like "weeks not months", or "Christmas Hammer" or the earth is halted in orbit, etc. Are you saying she should not be known by the entire body of her work, only approved parts of it? Aren't you the same idiot that only day or two ago was saying we debunkers will be known by our fruit? But Nancy shouldn't be?

You are such a pathetic troll and sock puppet. Your dishonesty is second only to Nancy herself, and perhaps Luser. Are you saying we should only know her by her most recent drivel and forget the past? If so, her behaviour this weekend doesn't do much for her image and credibility, banning posters for simply quoting her own words and providing links to her own website when she accused them of taking the comments out of context. She proved this weekend that the doggy spammer doesn't bother her, because he makes debunkers look bad and she can drum up sympathy, but what she can't allow is for any of her bullshit to be exposed on her chat not even when it is her own words that expose her.

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Bravo! Very well Said, KIR!




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You can read Ron Darby's story here.

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The first summer I cut trees cleaned flowerbeds and grew a seed garden. Mostly my work involved improving the property and preparing it for Nancy to move in. I was able to get the second seed garden, worm culture, hydroponics, and aquaculture projects going by the time I left. Mostly, I worked on the infrastructure – Nancy’s property.
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* Unprofessional conduct during the Board Meetings. I'll refrain from going into any details on this issue, as the logs are available for anyone interested.
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I remember that. Nancy was quite rude simply because Jan was trying to account for money that was spent. Nancy went out of her way to avoid answering the question.

It is my opinion that the TT Inc. has not shown itself capable of dealing with the situation arising after the failed ZetaTalk prediction of a pole shift in May, 2003, and is now without justification for further operation.

Regards,
Jan Rypdal
former VP & Internal Auditor
TT Inc
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It doesn't look good when your VP resigns and a member of your imaging team comes forward to say "Planet X" wasn't imaged at the provided coordinates.
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Maybe the all-knowing Zetas will bring their poor deluded disciples an accurate, verifiable prediction for Christmas.

That would certainly be a first!
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My name is NOT "Melfy" or "Maxikurt".

Thank you.

Nor are we "paid shills." But that doesn't keep you from calling us that. So deal with it.
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>> Nor are we "paid shills."

That has not been "PROVEN" to my satisfaction ...
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
 [link to www.zetatalk.com] 

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Melfy, Melfy, puddin' and pie,
Kisses Nancy's ass and smiles at every lie...
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That has not been "PROVEN" to my satisfaction ...
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And it hasn't been proven to my satisfaction that you aren't Nancy's son. So, don't have a fit when I or anyone else calls you Kurt.

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That has not been "PROVEN" to my satisfaction ...

And it hasn't been proven to my satisfaction that you aren't Nancy's son. So, don't have a fit when I or anyone else calls you Kurt.
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Kurt! son of Nancy! who knows what the zetas did when they put that chip in Nancy's head, a hybrid Kurt, neither human nor zeta!

"What did that tall, tall grey skinned alien whisper in Nancy's ear" - film at 11!
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You can read Ron Darby's story here.

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The first summer I cut trees cleaned flowerbeds and grew a seed garden. Mostly my work involved improving the property and preparing it for Nancy to move in. I was able to get the second seed garden, worm culture, hydroponics, and aquaculture projects going by the time I left. Mostly, I worked on the infrastructure – Nancy’s property.
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Powerful info, thx !
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Eyeopener about Nancy:

[link to website.lineone.net]
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^ posted on her latest chat.

Just to save evidence in case she begins to delete posts again.

Sorry for breaking the boycott once, but this is powerfull and eyeopening info for the zetards to read.
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My name is NOT "Melfy" or "Maxikurt".

Thank you.

Nor are we "paid shills." But that doesn't keep you from calling us that. So deal with it.


>> Nor are we "paid shills."

That has not been "PROVEN" to my satisfaction ...
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***


Just like it hasn't been proven to anyone's satisfaction that Planet X exists, that the Zetas are real, that there is evidence of an impending pole shift, that anything Nancy says has ever been remotely true or that any debunker is paid to be here. No proof whatsoever.

On all counts, it is Nancy and her sockpuppets making the outstanding claims, yet they provide no proof, not even when the debunkers bring proof to the contrary.
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Hey Real! Glad I saw you, so I can wish you well.

Take care man!
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Hey Real! Glad I saw you, so I can wish you well.

Take care man!
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Thanks, take care! I will pop in when I get the chance, probably in the spring.
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Good. We'll all want to hear how you're doing. And I'm sure we'll have many hilarious anecdotes concerning the madcap antics of Melfy and crew!
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All the best for your new life KeepingIt real !!
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[link to website.lineone.net]

Check this out. It gives more insight into the sock puppet we know as ZetaMax. Funny stuff. Max busted again!
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Check this out. It gives more insight into the sock puppet we know as ZetaMax. Funny stuff. Max busted again!
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Haven't read it full yet ... ABC is ZetaMax ?
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Check this out. It gives more insight into the sock puppet we know as ZetaMax. Funny stuff. Max busted again!
 Quoting: KeepingItReal

Interesting stuff. But how did you determine this is ZetaMax?

I like this comment:
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From: Anonymous Coward
Subject: Grow up guys, Zetatalk is true
Newsgroups: sci.astro
Date: 2002-08-04 18:26:19 PST

Just wait until later this year and you can verify for yourself that the planet is out there. At some point, it will be undeniable. So shut up with your "nancy is a loon" arguments.
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Wow, and here we are, seven years later, and "Planet X" is still a no show...and they're still saying, "Wait until next year!"

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[link to website.lineone.net]

Check this out. It gives more insight into the sock puppet we know as ZetaMax. Funny stuff. Max busted again!

Interesting stuff. I like this comment:

From: Anonymous Coward
Subject: Grow up guys, Zetatalk is true
Newsgroups: sci.astro
Date: 2002-08-04 18:26:19 PST

Just wait until later this year and you can verify for yourself that the planet is out there. At some point, it will be undeniable. So shut up with your "nancy is a loon" arguments.

Wow, and here we are, seven years later, and "Planet X" is still a no show...and they're still saying, "Wait until next year!"
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Lots of little clues on that page, like the frozen mammoths and the beginnings of the "on the fence" position.
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What the heck is MJ12 and who is this "Puppet Master?" I've asked Nancy before but she doesn't answer.
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Guess if there is a puppet master then Pres. Obama per definition has to be a puppet.

I thought you like Pres. Obama Nancy ??? Isn't it a bit mean to call him a puppet then ?
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My name is NOT "Melfy" or "Maxikurt".

Thank you.

Nor are we "paid shills." But that doesn't keep you from calling us that. So deal with it.


>> Nor are we "paid shills."

That has not been "PROVEN" to my satisfaction ...
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***



Well -- what COULD prove it to your satisfaction?
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Interesting stuff. But how did you determine this is ZetaMax?

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Nothing conclusive, but a lot of the comments are very in character with things Max is known for, and the writing style, the kinds of insults are very familiar. May be someone completely different, but it does at the very least give insight into the kind of people that defend Nancy.
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Interesting stuff. But how did you determine this is ZetaMax?


Nothing conclusive, but a lot of the comments are very in character with things Max is known for, and the writing style, the kinds of insults are very familiar. May be someone completely different, but it does at the very least give insight into the kind of people that defend Nancy.
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>> Nothing conclusive

We could do without this kind of reckless, insensitive and irresponsible speculation - THANK YOU!!!!
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
 [link to www.zetatalk.com] 

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From: ABC ([email protected])

Subject: Re: Px Always?

Newsgroups: sci.astro

Date: 2002-12-05 09:48:43 PST

> Why do you keep making excuses for Nancy?<


I don't know but I guess it comes down to a need to discuss zetatalk with other people who are intellectuals. Not that I am considered one here but I like to think I am one.


Before I came on this group, I was 100% sure that everything in zetatalk, including the pole shift, was true. That's scary, isn't it? This group has caused me to realize that this view was possibly incorrect and to adopt a "wait and see" approach rather than sell everything I own and move somewhere. Not that I'm in a good position to do anything other than wait and see though.


But the group has certainly helped me in many ways, all of the people that offer good scientific reasons why zetatalk is not true on planet x, these are very helpful, not just for noble reasons (scientific to preserve truth) but to help the common man like me who needs a second opinion. :-)


I guess that's one reason I stay around and try to be as honest as I can,
at least about what I believe.


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Interesting stuff. But how did you determine this is ZetaMax?


Nothing conclusive, but a lot of the comments are very in character with things Max is known for, and the writing style, the kinds of insults are very familiar. May be someone completely different, but it does at the very least give insight into the kind of people that defend Nancy.

>> Nothing conclusive

We could do without this kind of reckless, insensitive and irresponsible speculation - THANK YOU!!!!
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***

And we could do without your paid shill nonsense, but that never stopped you before, so until you can behave yourself and engage in an intelligent discussion of the topic without attacking posters, you should be prepared to get back as much as you dish out. Will Max stop with the insults and innuendo? I guess the debunkers will take a "wait and see approach" on that. ROFLMAO!!!!!
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Interesting stuff. But how did you determine this is ZetaMax?


Nothing conclusive, but a lot of the comments are very in character with things Max is known for, and the writing style, the kinds of insults are very familiar. May be someone completely different, but it does at the very least give insight into the kind of people that defend Nancy.

>> Nothing conclusive

We could do without this kind of reckless, insensitive and irresponsible speculation - THANK YOU!!!!
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***

LOL, you still don't see the irony in INSISTING that we're "paid shills" do you?

We openly admit that the ties between you and ABC are speculation, but the circumstantial evidence is quite strong, and you aren't even denying that it really was you. Personally I think it was you, the fake "on the fence" behavior fits you to a t.

So max, will you flat-out deny posting as ABC on the sci.astro forum? More importantly, will you renounce your claims that we're "paid shills"?

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I'm a bit mystified as to why Melfy thinks anyone, anywhere wouled deem it worthwhile to pay us to cast aspersions on ZetaTalk.

It's not as if Nancy's movement is flourishing -- quite the opposite, in fact. She's got what, half a dozen devotees, half of whom are sock puppets? That, and a butt-ugly website that is so stale it doesn't even make the 'internet cranks' lists anymore.

If Melfy would stop and think about the costs and logistics of such an effort -- oh wait. I said stop and think in reference to MelfyKurt, didn't I?


Never mind.
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Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!
Geez, if there really are steady paying jobs with benefits to debunk what is obvious internet bullshit, I would love to apply. I have asked Luser, Max, Soledad and Nancy to tell me where one might apply for such a job, I mean they sound like they did their research about this so they must know of a few, but they never did. I guess they figure that if I can make them look like idiots for free in between phone calls and emails, I will be lethal with the added motivation of a paycheque and bonus incentives.
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Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!
We could do without this kind of reckless, insensitive and irresponsible speculation - THANK YOU!!!!
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***


And yet you do it all the time. Your hypocrisy truly knows no bounds.
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