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What would one have to pay to get the equipment to make such images ? Is it possible if one only has a balcony in a house near a big city or does it need to be done in an area with very low light pollution ?

Zetamax, do you have anything to say regarding Nancy's video about Virginia Tech?

This is important. It's obvious. You don't have to go digging. She starts in right at the beginning, plain as day. And almost all of it is profoundly inconstistent with basic, well-known facts of the incident.

Who's lying? Or just...ill-informed?

Nancy? Or the 127 seperate sources listed at the bottom of the wikipedia page?

I have close to $30K invested in imaging equipment at this point...not counting the observatory, PC's and software. A mount that can hold upwards of 100 pounds of equipment and track it to within an arc-second over hours doesn't come cheap. Neither does optics that can produce a flat image field over the entire size of a camera chip. Not to mention the camera I'm now using is cryogenically cooled to lower image noise.

While one can produce good astro images with short focal length optics without quite the tracking accuracy required by long focal lengths, it's still not a cheap hobby. Also, you need a good dark sky site since the objects are so dim that it takes hours of collecting photons to produce a good image and light pollution prevents that. I built my observatory an hour away from where I live to get away from city lights. You can see the complex here...

www.machunter.org

and my observatory here...

[link to www.machunter.org]

OK, thats a bit too big for my current financial situation. But great job you do. And let us know when you see Planet X (just joking, I dont believe in PX)

I hope everyone has a great Yule celebration!

Why wasn't the moon at out of place at all when I observed it two weeks ago?
[link to www.ustream.tv]

Screen memory.

Screen memory? Please tell me this is sarcasm.

Last Edited by Astromut on 12/24/2009 09:38 AM

No, Max actually suggested that as an excuse to explain why things in the sky appear where they should...the "Zetas" somehow know when a "debunker" is looking in the sky and plant fake memories in the viewer so that what they see is what they remember.

I kid you not.

Last Edited by Circuit Breaker on 12/24/2009 10:22 AM

You make it sound implausible.

What about responding to my Virginia Tech issues?

Is that plausible? It's fascinating you won't. You'll maybe make a comment along the lines of:
"Is that the only thing you can find wrong with Nancy's Zeta-claims? Of all the ones she's made? You deflunkers get more desperate everyday..."

And then not respond to anything for 48 hours until you come back to post a banner.

I've been patient and cool about this. But you're proving what I've already known since the beginning (despite how cool/patient I've been):

You won't respond because- how could you? Anybody who watches that video of hers would be bowled over by the temerity of her claims. The audacity to approach such a subject with such total carelessness.

Zetamax, really, you won't defend because...how could you? It's obscene.

It's amazing the degree to which you Zetas have let me down. I find more worthy opponents in the libertarian, shotgun-wielding, Don't-Tread-On-Me, tax-hating militiamen in other forums on this site.

At least they have the decency to respond to challenges to their ideas.

No, more like IMPOSSIBLE. What a dumbass.

I just watched the video and I'm not sure what the problem you have with it is. I'll check back later for your critique of it.

So you were the apammer last weekend, 88145?

Why were you hiding your identity?

You, of all people, should know the rules here 88145. You certainly look a tad desperate as of late. The Zetas hinted last week of a new direction from the "puppet master", you certainly make this look true. The NASA shill handle you have cultivated also seems well earned right now!

There is no such direction, because AFAIK (and I expect same from other individuals who criticize Zetatalk) there is no puppet master.

The direction of the debunkers has always been the same: Zetatalk is wrong, on a myriad of issues, including the existence of PX. And they give evidence demonstrating Zetatalk's wrongness, and ways you can see this for yourself. Given that one of the cornerstones of the Zetatalk idea is the Zetas supposed infallibility, this demonstrable wrongness is a terrible weakness in the foundations of the Zetatalk idea as a whole.

Strangely, you rarely address any of that evidence, 78/68, particularly Zetatalk's truly god-awful track record regarding astronomical phenomena. You prefer using innuendo, personal attacks, and other nonsensical and unsupported claims, without evidence. Why is that?

Well SOHO stereo is showing anomalies, yet again, why don't you go and speak in that thread ... it's on the front page.
Maybe you are ordered not to? Hmmmmmm.

No, if it was him, he was the one that exposed Nancy's many failures by using her own words.


What about all the people who post as Anonymous Cowards that supposedly support Nancy?


Says the man who made claims about earthquakes and fireballs but now refuses to discuss the matter and, instead, runs away.


And the CIA shill handle you've cultivated seems well earned.

Which has already been explained. Why don't you explain your claims about increasing earthquakes and fireballs that were proven wrong? Why do you keep running away from that?

It was certainly me, but if you call posting NANCY's own statements and predictions "spam", well I guess we see who's running scared now.

Run, Luser, run!

SOHO stereo? I guess you're not smart enough to realize that SOHO and STEREO are not the same. SOHO is one observatory and STEREO are a pair of observatories.

Typical bunker...doesn't do any research - just makes a claim and runs away.

Indeed, Agent 88 is appearing increasingly desperate. I'd say he's pretty concerned about Nancy being right about climate changes and crop shortages.

Yes, I agree!

Why would he post so many times to Nancy's thread during Sat's chat and not show who he was like he always does, User# 88145. He was hiding like a good shill would.

Fuck, this guy is stupid!

He could have put the ID number that everybody knows him as in the anonymous coward line, but he didn't. He's a shill, and he just showed it to everybody. Good on him! NASA should be proud.

I can't believe how stupid you are.

I also can't believe how beholden you are to Nancy and the zetatalk crap. How pathetic a person you are to believe that others are paid by NASA to debunk Nancy's crap. How pathetic to believe someone like Nancy without question. If you're so gullible, I've got some lovely marshland here in Savannah to sell you.

For her to be right, they would need to be caused by some "rogue planet." Since that doesn't exist...she isn't, and never will be, right.

For one, my ID is no longer 88145. And secondly, I was simply posting Nancy's own words. Her lies stand alone. I didn't even have to make any comments. So what difference does it make who posted them?

How desperate you are with less than two years left and not a single sign of your imaginary planet ex. And my challenge stands unanswered after years of making it. And it never will be answered since you bunkers are simply incapable of doing it. And I will remain......wait now....here it is....SPOT ON 100% accurate!!!

Of course you do, because you're paid to.


Fuck, you're stupid. The only reason you're ranting and raving is because his posts contained quotes of predictions made by your master...predictions that didn't come true. End of fucking story, Luser. You, Nancy and the rest of her merry band of flunkers are embarrassed...which explains why you've spent more time than usual the last couple of days trying to do damage control. Too bad you're doing a piss poor job...as usual. The CIA should be proud.

Challenges "User # 78/68" Continues To Run Away From
(also known as The Number Of Ways "User # 78/68" Continues To Embarrass Himself)

1) When asked for proof that "Planet X" exists, he simply spews insults and runs away.
2) When someone wanted to bet him money (something that's very important to him) on Nancy's accuracy, he disappeared. And each time it is brought up, he ignores it.
3) I provided photographic proof that the sun was NOT rising 20 minutes early. When I asked him to dispute this, he ran away.
4) I provided a diagram proving that constellations behind the sun cannot be made visible by simply tilting the Earth or lowering it in the ecliptic. Instead of providing charts of his own to show it would be possible, he simply threw out insults and ran away.
4) When I personally invited him to Tampa to prove that I am exactly who I say I am, he initially showed interest and then ran away.
5) Hap, ID 88145, invited "User" to call him at work or e-mail him, instead of doing so he threw out more insults and ran away.
6) When asked why GOTO telescopes continue to accurately track the moon if it were moving unpredictably (i.e. too far north, too far south), he spewed more insults and ran away.
7) Hap invited anyone who believes in "Planet X" to come view the skies with him to search for this elusive "rogue planet" that "believers" all claim is so easy to see at sunrise. Instead of taking up that invitation, "User" threw out more insults and ran away.
8) ID 74444 suggested that Nancy is NOT the most popular poster on GLP and explained how he came to this conclusion. Instead of providing any evidence to prove otherwise, "User" spewed insults and ran away.
9) When asked if he believed that Earth was halted in orbit, or if he believed that "Planet X" would cause a "pole shift" and wipe out 90% of Earth's population (both of which are claims made by Nancy) - "User" called them trick questions, refused to answer and ran away.
10) "User" claims that "debunkers" lie. When asked for examples of these lies, he spews insults and runs away.
11) He claims that "debunkers" are government agents. When asked for proof of this, he spews insults and runs away.
12) Since "User" refuses to take Hap up on his offer to search for "Planet X," it was suggested "User" contact a local astronomy club and view with them. "User" spewed insults and ran away.
13) "User" claims earthquake activity is increasing. But instead of providing data to support this claim, he spewed insults and ran away.
14) Nancy claimed that Adam Air Flight 574 crashed in an inland lake. "Debunkers" have provided several links showing that Nancy is wrong. Instead of providing evidence showing otherwise, "User" spewed insults and ran away.
15) "User" contends that "Debunkers" are always wrong. When asked for examples of when "Debunkers" have been wrong, he spewed insults and ran away.
16) When asked for examples of when Nancy was right, especially when pertaining to astronomical claims and predictions, "User" spewed insults and ran away.
17) "User" has seen this list several times and has yet to dispute anything on it. Instead, he spewed insults and ran away.
18) "User" doesn't believe that vaporized water contaminated with arsenic was responsible for the illness in Peru after a meteor strike. When asked what HE thought caused it, he spewed insults and ran away.
19) Nancy claims that the Minneapolis bridge collapse was caused by some "stretch zone." When asked for evidence of this, "User" spewed insults and ran way.
20) "User" claims that I lied about amateur radio operators using their equipment and the moon for EME communications. When asked for evidence to support his claim that I lied, he spewed insults and ran away.
21) "User" claimed that many, many people are seeing the moon "not right." When asked for links of these claims or some form of evidence to support the claim that the moon is "not right," he spewed insults and ran away.
22) "User" claimed that Menow lied when he said the sun is not setting further north each day during the fall months. When asked for supporting evidence, he spewed insults and ran away. (Prof-Rabbit supplied a link showing the sun does not move north during the fall months in the north hemisphere.)
23) "User" demands that "debunkers" provide evidence or, in his words, "to put up or shut up." When "User" is asked to do the same, he spews insults and runs away.
24) Hap sent some photos to Nancy. He never stated what they were or what he believed them to be, instead he asked her what she thought they were. Nancy, and Nancy alone, stated they were photos of "Planet X." When asked which photos are "Planet X" and which ones are just lens flare, "User" spewed insults and ran away.
25) "User" continues to say I've exposed my lies. He has been asked what lies those are and to provide supporting evidence. Instead, he spews insults and runs away.
26) "User" tasked Nighthawk to demonstrate some contradictions from "ZetaTalk." Nighthawk came up with four. "User" made a weak attempt to explain them away, then spewed insults and ran away.
27) Hap provided a link to a website with photos of his equipment. "User" claimed it was all fake, spewed insults and ran away.
28) Hap's contact information is provided on the website, but instead of using it to verify Hap is who he claims, "User" spewed insults and ran away.
29) Several weeks ago, Hap again extended his invitation for anyone to come look for "Planet X" using his observatory. "User" again spewed insults and ran away.
30) "User" claimed that Nancy predicted the current economic recession...when in reality, Nancy said the recession would happen in 2003 and that the DOW would be worth a quarter of its value. When this was pointed out, "User" spewed insults and ran away. 31) "User" implied that Hap shouldn't be taken seriously because he doesn't have any credentials in astronomy...even though none are needed to be an amateur astronomer. When asked what credentials Nancy had that makes her more believable, "User" spewed insults and ran away.
32) "User" claimed that the Zetas never said they were preventing asteroid strikes. When shown exactly what the Zetas said, proving they did say it, "User" spewed insults and ran away.
33) "User" claimed that "The Commentator" outed himself as a NASA shill. When asked to explain exactly how this was done, "User" spewed insults and ran away.
34) "User" once again claimed that "The Commentator" is a NASA shill. When asked to provide evidence to support this claim, "User" spewed insults and ran away.
35) "User" stated that "debunkers" spend thousands of hours on Nancy's threads. When asked for supporting evidence, "User" spewed insults and ran away.
36) "User" claimed that only NASA would hire "debunkers." When asked for evidence of this, "User" spewed insults and ran away.
37) "User" once again claimed that "debunkers" lie. When asked for evidence of this or examples of such lies, "User" spewed insults and ran away.
38) "User" claimed I was squirming. When asked for specific examples of how I was squirming, "User" spewed insults and ran away.
39) "User" presented an article describing how GPS satellites might fail within a year. He claimed that Nancy and the "Zetas" predicted this. However, "User" failed to post the whole article which stated the reason for the potential failure is due to neglect and failure to replace key satellites...not because of some "rogue planet" as Nancy claimed. When this was pointed out to him, "User" spewed insults and ran away.
40) "User" claimed that Hap was afraid to answer his questions. Hap said he would answer any question "User" had. Instead of asking any questions, "User" spewed insults and ran away.
41) "User" claimed not to make assumptions. Yet, he assumes that people are paid to be here. He assumes that Hap is a fake and he assumes that Prof Rabbit works for NASA. When these assumptions are pointed out, he spews insults and runs away.
42) "User" attacked "debunkers" for calling Nancy crazy saying we had no business doing so, and yet he calls Candace crazy. When asked why, in his opinion, he considers Candace crazy but not Nancy, he spewed insults and ran away.
43) "User" once again claimed that earthquakes are on the increase based on a chart that another poster provided. He then claimed that "debunkers" wouldn't want to discuss it. However, "debunkers" did discuss it and discovered the chart is bogus. The link listed in it doesn't even exist. "Debunkers" then provided data showing the number of worldwide earthquakes for the past 9 years and it shows no such increase. Instead of backing up his claims, User spewed insults and ran away.
44) "User" said "the evidence is in the skies" and made some vague comment about fireballs. When asked questions about his claim, he spewed insults and ran away.
45) "User" claims I spend too much time on GLP and that people can see this with the time stamps. "User" fails to realize it doesn't take a lot of time to check the thread every now and then and post a response. When asked exactly how much time I spend here or how the time stamps prove that, "User" spewed insults and ran away.
46) "User" stated that "...Sing, I'll sway" has only been on GLP for two days. That's true - as a registered member. However, the poster could have been here for months posting as an Anonymous Coward. When asked how he knows for certain that "...Sing, I'll sway" has only been here for two days, "User" spewed insults and ran away.
47) I asked what MJ12 and the Puppet Master were. Instead of simply answering the question, "User" spewed insults and ran away.
48) "User" now claims I'm lying about not knowing what MJ12 and the Puppet Master are. When asked to back up those claims, he spewed insults and ran away.
49) "User" claimed I spent hours on GLP every single day. When asked to back up his claim, he spewed insults and ran away.
NEW to the list:
50) "User" claimed that Hap is a known NASA shill. Hap does not work for NASA and has never claimed to. When asked to prove otherwise, "User" spewed insults and ran away.

Good job, Luser! I knew you could make 50 before Christmas!! Nancy must be so proud of her merry band of FLUNKERS.

In luser's case, CIA stands for Canadian Idiot Agency.

Do you folks think we could lay off the foul language? In Luser's case, he probably can't help it, but for everyone else who has a bit of intelligence, it is demeaning to your case.

Taking a break to say just this .... have a good Christmas. No matter what our diametrically opposing points of view are.