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Nor do they do renovations on old Wisconsin farm houses.

Following the 3 days of darkness and 6 days sunrise west, comes a time when the globe gradually slows in rotation to a stop AND is drawn closer to Planet X by how many million miles ... no longer approximately 43 million miles away, but 14 million miles away. So we're closer to the Sun during those weeks, a warming trend no doubt. And it is 5.9 days of rotation stoppage, continuous sunlight for the East Coast which will be in early morning status during a stopped rotation.

For a minute there, Cheryl, I though you'd found a Zeta slip! My heart stopped.

And when you factor in his personality which drove off the wife and kids, he must be very lonely indeed.

Yeah, we've been in the September position of a long time (I think since late 2007 - ?). But recently the Zetas have stated that we've been pushed back to almost the August position.

It truly is sad that people actually believe this crap:


Yeah, we've been in the September position of a long time (I think since late 2007 - ?). But recently the Zetas have stated that we've been pushed back to almost the August position.


My god...just observing the constellations at night proves that utterly false. In August, Orion wouldn't be visible because it would be rising at the same time as the sun. I can clearly see it now at 8:30 p.m. That simply wouldn't be possible if Earth were in an "August position." And, as we all know, no amount of tilting, bobbling or lowering in the ecliptic would make that possible. It truly baffles the mind.

It truly is sad that people actually believe this crap:


Yeah, we've been in the September position of a long time (I think since late 2007 - ?). But recently the Zetas have stated that we've been pushed back to almost the August position.


My god...just observing the constellations at night proves that utterly false. In August, Orion wouldn't be visible because it would be rising at the same time as the sun. I can clearly see it now at 8:30 p.m. That simply wouldn't be possible if Earth were in an "August position." And, as we all know, no amount of tilting, bobbling or lowering in the ecliptic would make that possible. It truly baffles the mind.

The September position? Is he saying that we should be seeing the skies as they normally are in September? Apologies if the answer is already on here. My friend just showed me this zeta bs a few days ago. I thought he was kidding. The more I read, I can't believe how silly and uneducated some people are. I can see Orion as soon as the sun goes down which is around 4:30 in southern Canada. That couldn't happen in September. If the sky looks normal, doesn't that mean that the earths position is normal too? Isn't that obvious? Do the people that follow zeta never look at the sky? Sorry, I am still shocked at the stupidity.

Sorry, I am still shocked at the stupidity.

Planet X is so close to the ecliptic, the Sun's middle, that both hemisphere's have the same view. There is disinformation out there that Planet X is still in the night sky, outside the solar system, can only be viewed from the S Pole of Earth, bla, bla. But this is to keep people from looking, just as chemtrails are trying to fog up the sky and keep people from looking.

But in 2008-2009 Planet X was pretty snug near the Sun, inside the orbit of Venus, that close. Nevertheless, even when it was outside of the solar system, inbound in 2001-2003, the outer planets were showing the effects. Mars was warming, Europa was warming, the Earth core was swirling and volcanoes were waking up.

Sun spots, per my understanding, are magnetic in nature, and the reason they are missing lately, per the Zetas, is due to the S Pole of Planet X turned toward the Sun, sucking IN magnetons, thus a quieting effect on the surface of the Sun.

Here's where Planet X was incoming in early 2003, after it had come in from the evening sky. It was tracking to the right of Orion's bow, where in your drawing, Gerard, your red dot is placed inside Orion's bow, but close in placement!

Planet X is so close to the ecliptic, the Sun's middle, that both hemisphere's have the same view. There is disinformation out there that Planet X is still in the night sky, outside the solar system, can only be viewed from the S Pole of Earth, bla, bla. But this is to keep people from looking, just as chemtrails are trying to fog up the sky and keep people from looking.


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I don't think a solid clue has been given by the Zetas. I went back to read the Secklendorf CC explanation by the Zetas, and the one thing that is missing is if the turn of the year should be clockwise or counterclockwise. It would seem that Brian has it right, though, as the summer trimester is the strongest and the notches, per the Zetas, are Earth changes. The dark twin separating from Venus and Earth, these last two encountering Planet X, appearing in the summer. This does imply to me an August pole shift. But it is NOT clear, and is not complete.

BUT, but, but. What is this is not the pole shift CC at all, but a July/August 2010 CC? That July 10, 2010 'make of it what you will' CC. Contactee visions saying end of August, something will happen.

I am getting a strong nudge from the Zetas to consider it all in that light, 2010 Earth changes more severe, not the pole shift. But then they would deny they nudged me :-).

When the Tsunami of 2004 happened, I think that most of us in the PX believer community thought that the shift was starting to hit the fan at last. (I know I did.) But, then there was no direct followup, and so we hunkered down again. But, recently, as most of you know, I have been making new connections, based on the "snow circle", and now I think I understand what happened and what it means for us now.

If you check out the old list of photos on Zetatalk ( [link to www.zetatalk.com] you'll discover that in 2003 and 2004, some of the best and largest number of photos were taken. Why was this so? I believe it is because PX was at that time passing around the Sun, so that it was forced out to the side. Moreover, since it wasn't backlit (since the Sun wasn't yet behind it), the photos were especially good. After that, PX circled around and got between the Sun and the Earth and so it seemed to "disappear" again for the next 5 years. Pictures were rare and were not even as good as before because now the Sun was always present to backlight them.

What is my proof of this assertion? My proof is the tsunami. I think there was more at work there than just the magnetic trimester influence. I think that the tsunami happened at the point where PX had swung out to its widest point to circle the Sun. This created a temporary angle between the influence of the Sun and that of PX, pulls in two directions. I think this is what caused the megaquake that caused the tsunami. Afterwards, PX aligned with the Sun, between Sun and Earth, and so there was a linear influence that did not pull the Earth in two directions, so things quieted down again.

This brings us to the present. My analysis (the first response in this discussion: [link to poleshift.ning.com] of the snow circle and the golden triangle believes that PX is on the verge of reaching the point where it must begin to circle around the Earth. This will again cause the effect of divergent influences pulling the Earth, yet now PX will be much closer and it will continue to move much farther out to the side. In other words, things much worse than that tsunami will occur, and they will keep on happening because PX will not realign itself with the Sun to make it all stop.

Nancy and the zetas refer it as the bobbling around of the satellites. The satellites are bobbling around and cause PX to be seen in different locations all over the images.

Nancy and the zetas refer it as the bobbling around of the satellites. The satellites are bobbling around and cause PX to be seen in different locations all over the images.

That satellite bobble can really be annoying. Just last night Envisat came swooping -- sorry, *bobbling*, through my yard, where it clipped a set of hedges and then got tangled in a clothesline briefly before knocking over a marlin house, two mailboxes, and old Mrs. Jenson's junk shed.

I wish the Zetas would put a stop to this!

Melfy, you need to keep an "open mind." The events I described happened exactly as I described them!

I'm a "fence sitter" on the exact causes of the phenomena, BUT IT HAPPENED!

You do, Melfy -- you did answer when called, after all!

Lighten up Melfy baby. I'm just "yanking" your CHAIN.

Is it cold where you are? Freezing here. Very unusual for this location.

Plus I think the Passover holiday would be REMEMBERED as a Spring holiday, even if the seasons were confused, the calendar clicks along. Don't we think of January as mid-Winter even if there is an unusual thaw, or August as Summer even if a snowstorm were to occur in August? So I think the Passover was a Spring thing then, as now, a tradition carried forward.

This is an excellent analysis. Just excellent. I too noted that during the Exodus, grain was cut down in the field. Even considering a second planting, as might occur in warm climates, this would be at most late Summer, but more likely Spring. And you are so right, the Mammoths had buttercups in their tummies.

I have always felt, in my gut, that the pole shift would be a Passover type thing, the April time frame, due to all this correlation.

Yesterday our outside chilled water exchanger froze solid. Tonight is going to be even colder, and tomorrow night even worse.

We rarely get into the single or low double digits this far south.

Hope you stay warm!