First, thanks that you are willing to take part in a discussion here at the debunker thread ... which is very rare and which is the reason many posts here, be it by debunkers or followers of Nancy are only a war of words and insults.
Dear person from Germany (since that is the only name I have for you, my posts were not on that rather extreme claim. I am not saying something/someone couldn't do such a thing -- but as to its possibility, nevermind its probability or, to continue, its likelihood, I hardly reasonably can comment.
Quoting: mclarek 971744Her original claim is that earth is halted because of Planet X and some mysterious forces (gravitational pull and such things).
This of course is violating the known laws of physics. As she claimes the same time that Planet X is a natural object we have to suspect that it must obey the laws of physics other objects in space obey. In my opinion these laws mankind found out by theory and experience beginning with Isaac Newton all the way to modern quantum physics seem to be pretty accurate. Because based on these laws we flew to and landed on the moon (at least I think so), we have far out probes like Voyager that navigated through the whole solar system based on, we have hubble taking amazing pictures from things more far away than we can even imagine how far ... so all these laws of physics can't be so bad I guess. Yet Nancy claims all these laws wont work and only she and the Zetas really understand the universe.
Her next claim is that because earth is stopped in its orbit the Zetas manipulate out solar system so the people on earth don't panic. We all know what kind of energy would be necessary to do this trick. Even in Star Trek they can't do that. In my opinion this claim is extremely hidious ... but lets assume for a moment that the Zetas exist and have this kind of power ...
... if they were that powerfull they sure would have the power to stop Planet X from hurting earth. People asked Nancy why the Zetas won't help us that way and guess what she camu up with as answer ...
... She said the Zetas want the Service To Others (StO) earthlings to rise into the 4th density and this can only be achieved by a catharsic cleansing where all the Service To Self (STS) beings, which are basically all that don't follow her message bite the dust. I even remember her saying how much she looks forward to see us STS debunkers hanging with broken limbs on a cliff when the poleshift comes ... maybe another debunker has the link to that at hand ... cant find it right now, but I am sure all debunkers will agree that she said something like that. I'll dig it out these days and post it. The STS that will die in the poleshift will be reincarnated on a water-planet ... as Octopus and other mollusca lifeforms ... read for yourself here:
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Those humans who are not ready to leave 3rd Density when they die will not reincarnate on Earth. As the Earth is scheduled to become a home for 4th Density entities in the Service-to-Other, these 3rd Density entities will go to a new world elsewhere in the Universe.
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What will this new world be like?
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It is a water world, with scarcely a rock or two jutting above the surface of the endless waves. The species on this planet have all evolved from life forms that spend their entire life in the water. Thus, no mammals exist on this planet, since a stint on land, such as occurred in the past for your whales and dolphins, was not possible during their evolutionary past.
Quoting: Nancy LiederIn my opinion this is the oldest trick in the snake-oil-sellers book. Make your believers think that they are special (being STO) and that they will be rewarded for their trust (rising to 4th density), while those who do not follow her advise (STS-people) will spent their next incarnation as lower water-living lifeform, living on a quote: "water world, with scarcely a rock or two jutting above the surface of the endless waves".
This is basically the old heaven and hell trick ... seems to still work fine fr some people.
What I want to say is that she trys to escape her own claims (earth stopped, Zetas make all seem normal, laws of physics are wrong etc, etc ) with a new claim, and then a new one and so forth or she just simply changes the topic. She has yet not even tried to really prove that earth is stopped in orbit and when people began to ask her about that in 2003 she came up with all the storys I just listed.
To me this is highly suspicious and does not look good for her cretibility.
What I will say is that from a purely reasonable point of view, i.e., scientific philosophy standards, if we are going to assess NL's claims, we must look at each one AND at interrelationships. This is what a detective-and-lawyer combo does for crimes, fyi.
Quoting: mclarek 971744I agree and disagree at the same time. If somebody makes several claims, and Nancy made literally hundreds of claims in the past 15 years ... by far most of them completely violating our known laws of physics ... one must indeed look at the each one AND at all in relation to each other. But still each single assertion s like a chain link. I mean when earth is stopped in orbit all people would recognize that whithin 24 hrs, even some natives in the jungle who dont even know what e telescope is ... as people obviously did not recognise this (except her little fellowship of true believers) it is absolutely imperative that the Zetas change the solar system in a way to get humanity fooled into believing all is still normal ... which makes it absolutely imperative that the Zetas possess these incredible powers to do so ... etc. etc ... all her claims are part of this chain, each one is one link ... if one is a lie the chain will break ... you see what I mean ?
So, the Earth stoppage is of course an oddball claim, and prima facie is likely to be untrue. But it is IMPOSSIBLE? Well, we don't know.
Quoting: mclarek 971744It is impossible by all known laws of physics, laws that have served us very well, especially since we explore space.
If there are aliens and they have such capacity, then it is possible; if they have an interest and there's a reason for doing it, they might do it and that gives a probability. And if on top of that there's a PX, there's a likelihood.
Quoting: mclarek 971744You are absolutely right about that. But these are quite a lot of "if". I just can reply that I need a lot more hard evidence until I would even think about believing her version of how the universe works.
I should also add, that what we are doing below IS A TEST OF NANCY'S WORK -- not all tests are directly physical. Menow suggested no-one had tested the claims all along. Some tests came in the form of the oddities (described below) actually happening. Some of the tests are by means of our reason, all of us. And some tests, yes, would be persons who begin to notice if shadowsides of buildings disappear become sunlit another (or vice versa) at the same time of year from one year to another -- and if so, that would be an anomaly which prima facie woud be evidence the Sun was rising differently. We have had such claims; unfortunately we cannot know if they are accurate or not. We can SUPPOSE they are wrong, but we don't know.
Quoting: mclarek 971744We can suppose they are wrong and I do so because all I read over and over again from the true believers are claims here at GLP and at the poleshift.ning or ttwatch (these days mostly at the poleshift.ning) ... with todays cheap availabe technology like digicams everyone should be able to record the sun movement ... what I would do is: A simple digicam on a tripod and a compass (nothing fancy, something below 100$ should work well enough) ... then I would set up the digicam on the tripod facing the approximate area where the sun rises and place the compass in the line of sight so the digicam can watch the horizon where the sun will come up together withh the compass. That way one would have a direction reference from the compass and a recording of the rising sun all together in the digicam pics. After one would make that video and his claim that sun is rising in the wrong place he would at least have some evidence he can share (suppossed he did not fake. I challange the true believers to do so. The burden of proof is on Nancys site, not the debunkers. She is the one claiming things that are not accepted by the scintific knowledge most of humanity agrees on, so she has to prove her claims.
But to back up, my posts were on the Chandler Wobble anomaly of 2005-2006, which Menow said didn't exist, and same with the Magnetic North moving out of Canada, which he also said didn't happen.
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Quoting: mclarek 971744I havent really looked into that topic you discussed with Menow in Nancys chat ... i have to do it later but I will so ... it's already getting deay here and I have been up all night, not a good condition to discuss such pretty sophisticated theorys like the Chandler Wobble anomaly appears to me. But I will have a look at it after I had a few hours sleep. I hope I didnt write to much rubbish and bad spelling in my post above, I think this is the largest post I made since I hang out at GLP ... right now I have a hard time keeping my eyes open, pretty tired.
Thanks again for discussing the subject in a civilized manner. See ya around, take care.
