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So -- Planet X.

How about those SOHO images, and the electromagnetic forces causing both repulsion ("holes") and attraction (Sun electrical-effect particles), and the purported Vatican images?

Oh, and does everyone know of the massive plate-shifting evidence piling up, for example in Tennessee: [link to www.youtube.com] and Guatemala: [link to news.nationalgeographic.com]

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And of course, I don't mean only these two are "massive evidence", but with the many (including Boston's new, 7-year-old) watermain, a large crater outside Montreal in shifting land ... and other places (there were several more big sinkholes and unsolved watermain breaks, some of them multiple, over the last few mo's as well).

I understand these regions have weaknesses already, and some might have happened no matter what. But IF PX were affecting us, they would be the first places to indicate it and we have a lot of these in the last months and year, and large eq's too.

Hope it's just an uptick which is temporary and unrelated to anything else, like PX.

Clare

Have a good night, all.

Clare

SOMETHING's up, enough to have the Scientists baffled and suggesting massive CMEs for the Sun AND the following:

[link to www.sciencedaily.com]

Whaddaya think of the scientists' evidence and (separately) their postulated reasons?

Wait! I think I get it! I can explain everything in one sentence! The moon's orbit around the earth:

it's a revotation!


In the famous last words of Inspector Clouseau -

Problem sol ved!

You mean you made up something which was actually meaningless.



No, I laughed that you confused 'fixed points' with a 'path' of some sort.



Then NOTHING 'spins', Clare. How many times do we have to go through this?



Do you know what angular momentum is, Clare?



It's simply an illusion born of the specific rotational rate.



No, you are the master 'conflator'. Those are two DIFFERENT motions.



No, it's not like a train on a track. The Moon is in free space.



Your chronic repeating of your notion of 'proper spin' does not cause it to become valid.



What about the frame of reference in the center of THAT 'true spin'? Why don't you use it in THIS case as you insist upon using to talk about the Moon?



The Moon's rotation and its orbit are two different motions. YOU need to stop conflating them, erroneously.

How can my question obfuscate anything?



So NOTHING rotates 'on its axis', hmm Clare?



How can an axis 'face' somewhere, Clare?



Show different faces? You mean to the Earth?



So any object with 'axial movement' cannot be rotating, as well? That means that NO objects are rotating, Clare.

You're not goint to get me, nor, I hope anyone else to allow you to declare victory on the 'Moon rotation' issue and change the subject. Your idiocy on that subject simply precludes anyone taking you seriously on any.

Repeat:

Well, I see that Clare has ignored 90% of the points made to her in discussion. Let's whittle it down a bit to two questions.

1)Clare... You DID finally claim to know what angular momentum is. So, moving on from that... does the Moon, as a massive spherical body, possess any angular momentum?


2) 7th repeat: What motions would the Moon display if Earth suddenly went missing?

Repeat:

Well, I see that Clare has ignored 90% of the points made to her in discussion. Let's whittle it down a bit to two questions.

1)Clare... You DID finally claim to know what angular momentum is. So, moving on from that... does the Moon, as a massive spherical body, possess any angular momentum?


2) 7th repeat: What motions would the Moon display if Earth suddenly went missing?

So Clare... in your stubborn insistence upon an Earth-centric view as being the only valid one, have you also concluded that the Sun, planets and entire universe orbit around Earth?

Absolutely false. You have presented that conclusion several times, and each time is as false as the last.

I thought you admited that the Moon rotates. Did you not?

I think someone has been asking you for a yes or no answer to that question, so I'll add my voice to it.

Is the Moon rotating, Clare? Yes or no.

Every one of the Zeta followers should kill themselves.

Seriously.

Anyone stupid enough to believe any of that crap is a waste of precious oxygen that normal, logical thinking beings need to live.

So do us all a favor and FUCK OFF!

Isn't it odd that once 'Clare' started posting volumes of nonsense, that all our usual Nancy sock puppets vanished?

Looks like Nancy can only operate one puppet at a time.

And 'Clare.' You should avoid obvious Nancy verbal ticks such as 'uptick' and 'duh' if you want to keep your sock puppetry from being blatantly obvious. Not that such has ever been a concern of yours...

Unbelievable.

Straight from "The Moon doesn't rotate" to "there's a sinkhole in Cleveland."

Once again, Clare's own example proves her wrong. A race car spinning as it moves around a race track? Would the DRIVER of the car be correct in insisting that his car was NOT SPINNING? After all, to HIM it's not, right?

Yet again, Clare tries to evade answering the simple yes/no question in my thought experiment.

Clare, could you possibly BE any more transparent? And I have YET to see you provide even the first reference to your made up definitions, while the debunkers have provided reference after reference.

Oh well, imaginary definitions to support an imaginary planet, all coming from a sock puppet. Seems appropriate.

I think the key phrase here is this statement from your link:

"If this hypothesis is correct, IBEX is catching matter from a hot neighboring interstellar cloud, which the Sun might enter in a hundred years."

Yes, I made that observation on another page.

Clare, at the risk of being redundent since you have evaded answering any of my thought experiments so far, please answer this.

Let's start with the moon being stationary with regards to the earth (i.e. it hanging in space and does not appear to move against the background stars). However, since we see all sides of it over a 29 day time period, can we say that it is rotating? Yes or no? Can we say that it is spinning. Yes or no?

Now, let's start the moon in motion slowly orbiting the earth, so that it makes one complete revolution around the earth in 365 days. We still see all sides of the moon over a 29 day period. Can we say that it is rotating? Yes or no? Can we say that it is spinning. Yes or no?

As the moon gradually speeds up in its orbit around the earth, it makes one complete revolution around the earth in 100 days. We still see all sides of the moon over a 29 day period. Can we say that it is rotating? Yes or no? Can we say that it is spinning. Yes or no?


As the moon gradually speeds up in its orbit around the earth, it makes one complete revolution around the earth in 29 days. But we can now see only one side of the moon at all times. Can we say that it is rotating? Yes or no? Can we say that it is spinning. Yes or no?

If no, when did it stop rotating? When did it stop spinning?

Let's see how you do.

Here are two interesting pics:

[link to sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov]
[link to sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov]


As you can see, the CCD glitch that is claimed by the Zetards to be Planet X is occuring in 2 complete different areas at the same day in only 4 hrs time difference ... which means Planet X must have a friggin' warp-drive.

"Clare" is simply winding everyone up. No one can be that stupid.

In one image, you can clearly see the Pleiades star cluster (M45). I remember once when Nancy claimed that it was "planet ex" and its moons, even when anyone with a star chart and solar ephemeris could easily see that it was M45.

But she relies on her followers to not know these things and to take her at her word.

I had high hopes for her in the beginning, but it appears that she either is strongly delusional or is trolling.

It ends up seeming that way with every single Zeta supporter from Freestore to Nancy, herself. It's always: "How can they BELIEVE such nonsese???"

Perhaps it it time to tell "clare" to go pound sand and treat her like the rest of the socks, trolls and shills that zetadrool attracts...

I am not a "believer".

I for one, won't reward her disingenuousness by letting her change the subject away from 'Moon rotation'. I won't engage her on other subjects.

Good luck with that, I have asked her three times for a simple "yes" or "no" answer to that question and she ignores it.

I see it now, it's really quite simple - the diametrically opposed earth and moon are in a revotation of sidereal motion in solar space, the sun being preferential, hence the term solar space, and are on a sin wave path together, their onus being one of mutual deference and gyration. Only in the complete absence of reason does your reasoning become perfectly clear, Clare! HA, say that three times fast.