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Rather than further complications about using the same words to talk of different actual motions, on different orders of magnitude (one "turn around its axis" relative to path, the other "turn around its axis" relative to another axis) ...

Let's deal with PX. It's our purpose here.

N'est-ce pas?

:)

Refusing to look into the evidence on PX, no matter who brings it forward, or how unlikely you consider the postulate, is inadequate to actually having done due diligence.

So, is there a PX? Does the Vatican leak show it? Or the round-flare SOHO show it? Or what is going on with the damned magnetosphere -- magnetic fields don't just repel without another source, and NASA says it wasn't the Sun, because that was attracting us and giving more particles than usual, because the breaches from repulsion allowed even more attraction particles in from the Sun.

What is repelling us?



Nope, lets deal with your lack of understanding of lunar rotation before we go on to other subjects.

Serious suggestion: Get a copy of Physics for Dummies and Astronomy for Dummies. Read them until you understand them both. Then we can talk about more advanced topics.


Nope; let's deal with your lack of the difference between lunar rotation spin vs lunar spin around its rotation direction!

Or are you just deliberately being difficult?

And refusing to handle PX ... :)

Clare, you have yet to address ANY of my thought experiments. Why is that?

Clare should ask Andrew about his bedroom habits. You are proud of your self-pleasure routine, are you not, Andrew? I mean, you did create an entire thread devoted to them not so very long ago.

And Clare, the Moon does indeed rotate about its north-south axis. No amount of misuse or terms and stupid analogies on your part will negate this simple fact.

You are either an expert troll or a complete dumbass.

Moon does NOT rotate around its own axis. It only rotates in an orbit around the Earth, with its one side always "glued" to Earth.

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my girlfriend and i did put honey on each other and ate it

i wash once a week / two weeks - in winter

i think communism (=socialism) is more just social arrangement

sometimes i DO IT to myself in bed, letting it go free where and how it does

i find exhibitionism exciting and some perversions too

i believe in a RIGHT for a suicide

i like to chew end of my pen

i hate onions, to the point that i would take time and pick it out from the dish served, to the last tiny piece.

i think children are right and parents are not.
cuz children are subvrted and made to believe that they are wrong and should comply.

what's wrong with being a "COMMUNIST NATION"?

Moon does NOT rotate around its own axis. It only rotates in an orbit around the Earth, with its one side always "glued" to Earth.

Moon does NOT rotate around its own axis. It only rotates in an orbit around the Earth, with its one side always "glued" to Earth.


and what pray tell `glues' the moon in this position???

Moon does NOT rotate around its own axis. It only rotates in an orbit around the Earth, with its one side always "glued" to Earth.

Moon does NOT rotate around its own axis. It only rotates in an orbit around the Earth, with its one side always "glued" to Earth.


and what pray tell `glues' the moon in this position???


There no need at all to debunk the Zetards ... with the help of complete and utter retards like Andrew they do a very good job on that without our help.

All that is left for us is to ROFL and to ridicule them

(Menow-style mercy snip)


As to the words ... "Spinning"? "Rotating"? As we've found, these words can refer to two different actions.


What? I have seen no confusion between 'spin' and 'rotation'. The confusion has been with YOUR mixing up 'rotation' and 'revolution', and you have not had the courtesy to acknowledge the correction, though it was repeated several times.

Yes, he is "spinning" around the racetrack centre.


I stand corrected... Only YOU could make that sort of confused statement. No, he is NOT 'spinning' around the race track center. He could be said to be REVOLVING around it, but we should be careful in applying orbital terms to non-orbital situations.

So... with your confused language, I don't know WHAT you are saying there.


Yours does not handle this difference: mine can speak of what the Moon is doing even if it went straight.

Enough. Not going more into physical E-M momentum forces which make all this happen. The physical forces pull and push on the total body and spin it to accomplish the rotation. Yes.

However, it does not also have spin on it relative to its forward motion in total.

It turns on its axis as it moves forward, but does not spin in its own right relative to the movement forward in the new direction. We're both right, but describing different levels of the geometry.

On a force level, yes, the pull turns the axis as the momentum directs it straight away.

On a geometric level, there is another item we have to name: the possibility of a body to turn MORE than it is pulled forward on an orbit/turned on its axis around it on the orbit.

That is the spinning car on an orbital racetrack. And yes, I specified the racetrack was round.

It is this second type of "spin on its axis" geometrically which I am describing, a spin relative to the overall path the angular momentum physics cancels out at: the orbit.

More turn than it requires then a spin as I described can be seen.

Now, PX. Any news?

Oh -- before you get picayune in your sneer tactics, about "turns the axis" I mean, of course, turns the body around it.

But the point is, equal to the overall orbital path turn to take. No more.

If more, then we observe what most people call spinning in its own right.

What word would you like to give that? Hm? Venus' motion. What would you call it.

I call it "spinning on its axis" ... as it "rotates" ...

But you like to call the turning of its body on the rotation a "spin on its axis" which is totally legitimate.

So what do you call what I am referring to? Or shall we just specify, as I started to long ago:

Venus: relative to its path, spin, but Moon no.

Venus AND Moon: relative to a straight line, spin, from forces, pulling it to make the path.

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Hey, Commendator and Menow:

Since you are right it turns on its axis as it rotates,

what would you like to call the spin which Venus exhibits in addition to its orbital angular spin on its axis?

It is the latter I (and most people) call "spin on an axis" and it IS a separate and very real identifiable relationship of axis to path.

Would you say it just has more angle than momentum forward, instead of equal?

What would you like to call this, so we can agree there is a difference between the spin on the axis of the Moon from that of Venus?

They both spin on their axis in orientation around their orbits, but the latter one has a discernible extra spin while on its orbit.

But the car, hit on the circular racetrack, but tethered to the centre point (like gravity), would have a special spin relative to the road, as it goes forward on it. This is like the day of Venus.

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now nandrew- care to show us all why nancy is wrong and that the earth ISNT halted in its orbit?
or why she is right and it is??

your link is the best case of showing experiments are usually right I have ever seen

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

has been proven experimentally by you in that post


that experiment puts scientific objectivity under serious question. scientists are just people, after all, you know.

and peer pressure (social/group conformity) often overrides ones own Independent Thinking and Objectivity, and critical thinking.

Moon does NOT rotate around its own axis. It only rotates in an orbit around the Earth, with its one side always "glued" to Earth.

Except that it's not 'imaginary'. The Moon rotates... ON ITS AXIS. MENOW quote


Menow, are you STILL on this thing? The moon does not rotate.

I did a bit of research (now many months ago)

The Moon always shows its face to WHAT IT ORBITS.
Venus doesn't.

The Moon always shows its face to WHAT IT ORBITS.
Venus doesn't.


And that is of no particular significance other than tidal locking.

Now... I begin the tedius task of repeating a question until Clare answers it. It took about a dozen repeats on the other one, and this one was usually right along side.

Clare... You DID finally claim to know what angular momentum is. So, moving on from that... does the Moon, as a massive spherical body, possess any angular momentum?

The Moon always shows its face to WHAT IT ORBITS.
Venus doesn't.


And that is of no particular significance other than tidal locking.

Now... I begin the tedius task of repeating a question until Clare answers it. It took about a dozen repeats on the other one, and this one was usually right along side.

Clare... You DID finally claim to know what angular momentum is. So, moving on from that... does the Moon, as a massive spherical body, possess any angular momentum?



'Clare' will answer the question 'does the Moon, as a massive spherical body, possess any angular momentum?' by first attempting to redefine the words spherical, body, possess, any, angular, and momentum.

I can't wait to see what zany definitions she decides to use. 'Angular' will probably involve lines, tortoises, bread, and electrons. She'll reference a few obscure German philosophers for momentum, and equate it to pulmonary thrombosis. We will then be lectured, in a petualnt, all-knowing tone, concerning the ultimately cubical nature of spheres.

And then she'll have to hurry off to work again.

oh look its `handy andy' (older ozzies will remeber the ads)

suits this `let it swing free' young fella rather well..

he probably buys it in by the 44 gallon drumload for his sheets LOL


(whats wrong handy andy- the ning a bit slow since nancy took it over and kicked your smelly arse out on the street??)

you fools

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

has been proven experimentally by you in that post

that experiment puts scientific objectivity under serious question. scientists are just people, after all, you know.

and peer pressure (social/group conformity) often overrides ones own Independent Thinking and Objectivity, and critical thinking.

Andrew how are you! I have to agree with one thing you have said. Your comment about scientific objectivity is quite true. I did a bit of research (now many months ago) and found the scientific community is very concerned about its own house. The Global Warming fiasco just to name one very prominent one is a prime example. Yes, scientists are human and peer pressure is extremely important to them. Their peer review process prior to publication is both a quality assurance tool and a "you will agree with me or perish process." Keep your position on this issue.

you fools

That's quite an accusation from someone who doesn't think that the moon rotates around it's own axis.

why? how can those who believe that Moon rotation is arranges so very carefully to show us only one its side, becalled?

Ok, fools is a bit too harsh, let it be dummies

i wash once a week / two weeks - in winter