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So, the "Zetas" are interfering (i.e., fixing appearances) but will not interfere (i.e., to save us from the PX disaster).

Get it?

Whoa, testy, aren't you. Leave Menow out of this. If I am confused it is about the gobbledygook you spew. How do you expect to have a civil discussion when you make assumptions and insult my intelligence right out of the gate?

It makes me think that you might be the shunned Luserboi trying to play nice, or maybe one of the other dumbfuck Canucks that do Nancy's bidding, like Agnes or Earth320 hiding behind a proxy.

When and if you see it . . . it will make a lasting impression on you. It hits you in the gut and you get angry.

So, the "Zetas" are interfering (i.e., fixing appearances) but will not interfere (i.e., to save us from the PX disaster).



This premise is very close to the most ridiculous claim in all of ZetaTalk, which is saying quite a bit.

It's obvious to any rational person that has followed the saga from pre-2003 that this is all just a bizarre, completely illogical and impossible rationalization for events not happening as Nancy predicted.

No one but a handful of very deluded people will take you seriously about anything if you attempt to defend this nonsense.

I don't know if that's fair or not but it's the truth.

Get real. Of course the assassination theories have been around, but kept as "theory as a notion" not theory tht would stand in a court of law and yes, let's take it there. No -- the mendia have talking points and always present it as "no credible evience" whenever they can. This keeps good people believing there is no conclusion possible.

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The Zeta thing is not at the same level of testability. Not unless they present themselves physically for testing. Or PX presents itself -- but in that case, this debate is moot.

It makes me think that you might be the shunned Luserboi trying to play nice, or maybe one of the other dumbfuck Canucks that do Nancy's bidding, like Agnes or Earth320 hiding behind a proxy.


No, she's who she says she is.

Look, I have been mistreated here for days. I apologize if you think I insulted your intelligence. I did however point out to you a clear difference. And was mad at Menow for making the confusion of this term so often. It was HIS comment earlier to which I was referring in being pissed off.

Menow HAS been one of the ones repeating this stuff about "interfering" not being "interfering".

So I added that in.

As to using the term "gobbledygook", you are using others' terms (Menow, I believe started that, too).

And going again into the idea of my being someone else is RIDICULOUS.

Who people are? By writing off their statements to start with, and not realizing how others interference can affect what you see in them, one can end up not understanding what they say. Then, the whole personality of the writer is missed, too.

My comments sometimes had stiltedness, but you guys would have seen very quickly who I was AND what I was getting at (even if in error) if there had been more positive questions and understanding salvos. Interference and mockery, interrupting the process of communication, did not help the situation.

However, do you now see the difference between interfering (to save us) and interfering (as Menow used it, to mean maintaining appearances)?

Hope I helped, is all. Cheers.

Look, I have been mistreated here for days. I apologize if you think I insulted your intelligence. I did however point out to you a clear difference. And was mad at Menow for making the confusion of this term so often. It was HIS comment earlier to which I was referring in being pissed off.

I'm not surprised you are being "mistreated". You are posting on a thread that exists to debunk Zetatalk. What did you expect? You use acrobatic "logic" to defend the indefensible. Maybe if you started your own thread you would attract woo woos with the same mentality to discuss nicely.



Menow HAS been one of the ones repeating this stuff about "interfering" not being "interfering".

So I added that in.

As to using the term "gobbledygook", you are using others' terms (Menow, I believe started that, too).



See? You did it again. You are suggesting that I need Menow to tell me the meaning of the word "interfering", when I can say with confidence that I have more education in writing and languages than you do. I am not using anyone's terms. Gobbledygook is a word. Look it up in the dictionary. Your ignorance and arrogance is showing!


And going again into the idea of my being someone else is RIDICULOUS.


It's a site where people engage in role playing. Read the disclaimer.


Who people are? By writing off their statements to start with, and not realizing how others interference can affect what you see in them, one can end up not understanding what they say. Then, the whole personality of the writer is missed, too.

My comments sometimes had stiltedness, but you guys would have seen very quickly who I was AND what I was getting at (even if in error) if there had been more positive questions and understanding salvos. Interference and mockery, interrupting the process of communication, did not help the situation.

However, do you now see the difference between interfering (to save us) and interfering (as Menow used it, to mean maintaining appearances)?

Hope I helped, is all. Cheers.

Again, this is GLP. If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen. And again you are insulting the intelligence of readers here, implying that we form opinions based on what other posters tell us to believe. (Holy shit, Menow, I bet you didn't know how important and influential you are ROFLMAO). Interfering is interfering. Look it up in a dictionary.

As to the Z-film it is debated but not "debatable" any longer. It was at issue before Costella's work on optics. Now, the case is done. It is only the after-party of debate teams which you are now listening to: where the losers keep sayng, "we didn't lose".

Nancy Leiden returns to discuss the poleshift!

As to using the term "gobbledygook", you are using others' terms (Menow, I believe started that, too).


See? You did it again. You are suggesting that I need Menow to tell me the meaning of the word "interfering", when I can say with confidence that I have more education in writing and languages than you do. I am not using anyone's terms. Gobbledygook is a word. Look it up in the dictionary. Your ignorance and arrogance is showing!

And going again into the idea of my being someone else is RIDICULOUS.


It's a site where people engage in role playing. Read the disclaimer.

However, do you now see the difference between interfering (to save us) and interfering (as Menow used it, to mean maintaining appearances)?

Hope I helped, is all. Cheers.

Again, this is GLP. If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen. And again you are insulting the intelligence of readers here, implying that we form opinions based on what other posters tell us to believe. (Holy shit, Menow, I bet you didn't know how important and influential you are ROFLMAO). Interfering is interfering. Look it up in a dictionary.

Forgive them Clare for they KNOW (very well) what they DO!

Forgive them Clare for they KNOW (very well) what they DO!

No they don't.

As to the Z-film it is debated but not "debatable" any longer. It was at issue before Costella's work on optics. Now, the case is done. It is only the after-party of debate teams which you are now listening to: where the losers keep sayng, "we didn't lose".



After your lengthy argument that the Moon isn't rotating, I don't trust that you have the knowledge of optics, or the technical or scientific objectivity to judge Costella's work.

There certainly appears to be continued debate and his premise seems implausible even if one believes in some sort of JFK conspiracy.

Also, Costella appears to support your associate Jack White's Moon hoax theories which is strike one, two and three for me regarding his reliability.

Clare is a bit naive with GLP and Zeta debunkers. She has not logged enough time on GLP to get all the head games and twists. I have been around almost a year and I am still learning the ropes. The thing that amazes me is she is still full of energy and has taken some of your best shots and keeps firing back. She is a trooper I have to give her that. Forgive them Clare for they KNOW (very well) what they DO!

As to using the term "gobbledygook", you are using others' terms (Menow, I believe started that, too).


See? You did it again. You are suggesting that I need Menow to tell me the meaning of the word "interfering", when I can say with confidence that I have more education in writing and languages than you do. I am not using anyone's terms. Gobbledygook is a word. Look it up in the dictionary. Your ignorance and arrogance is showing!

No, I meant that he seeded the discussion of me with that word and others have been using it as an easy out, parrotting him. It is not the meaning of the word which I questioned, but the parrotting.

If YOU are so worried that your intelligence is being questioned, maybe YOU should go.

And you cannot see, yet, that interfering as meddling action is interfering, but the "Zetas" were (supposedly) interfering ONLY to save appearances. Menow wasn't saying, "My God, they're interfering in ONE way, supposedly, so why not interfere in ANOTHER way and save us!"

No, he was claiming that if "Zetas" are interfering if they are saving appearances, that's the same thing as saving us from PX.

Obviously it's not the same thing, though they're both interference.

So, when "they say", "We are not allowed to interfere," the context is important: they are not allowed to interfere TO SAVE US FROM PX. That is the context of THAT statement. Finish the statement and you see what they mean.

They are allowed to interfere to confuse negative plotters (supposedly). So, they can interfere, just not indiscriminately or to save us from the PX arrival itself, which is considered a natural event.

Do you get that now? They interfere, but are "not allowed to interfere" in the key way. Most people speak in context and shorten sentences accordingly.

But also the Van Allen belts and the little LEM make the thing preposterous.

Forgive them Clare for they KNOW (very well) what they DO!

No they don't.

Please explain?

Forgive them Clare for they KNOW (very well) what they DO!

No they don't.

Please explain?

It is the Van Allen belt and lack of room in the LEM for 2 men, suited, with backpacks, which takes care of the latter question.

It is the Van Allen belt and lack of room in the LEM for 2 men, suited, with backpacks, which takes care of the latter question.


There you go again. Please post your references. As for the Van allen belts, Dr. Van Allen himself has stated that thinking that the Apollo missions couldn't go through them is ridiculous. What do you know that he didn't?

That guy totally rocks:
[link to zetasquawk.com]
wonder how long before the zetatards catch it???
(thats should set the cat amongst the pigeons for sure...)

Link doesn't show a site.
It is closed? Or being renovated?


Yea, something like that. There is a web site there that's
being worked on, but what can be read would drive the folks
on ning nuts. They think it's really a government run web
site.





K00KFIGHT!!!!!!

Nothing better than. Bob Officer and I have discussed the
idea of putting up a Kookology Facebook page. I told him
an AUK page would only be of interest to usenetters but a
Kookology page everyone could relate to.

No, I meant that he seeded the discussion of me with that word and others have been using it as an easy out, parrotting him. It is not the meaning of the word which I questioned, but the parrotting.


How is that different? It still insults our intelligence and assumes that we all follow Menow around parroting him. News flash for you. The debunkers on this thread are very intelligent people from all kinds of professional and amateur backgrounds, with enough experience in their field to recognize bullshit when they read it.

If YOU are so worried that your intelligence is being questioned, maybe YOU should go.


Well since I am one of the original regular debunkers that started this thread, I think I will stick around. I was known as KeepingItReal, but I can't remember my password. You are like the new neighbour that moves in and expects the neighbourhood to change to suit them.

They are allowed to interfere to confuse negative plotters (supposedly). So, they can interfere, just not indiscriminately or to save us from the PX arrival itself, which is considered a natural event.

Do you get that now? They interfere, but are "not allowed to interfere" in the key way. Most people speak in context and shorten sentences accordingly.

Um, yeah, OK. Maybe in your logic challenged world. ROFLMAO.

It is the Van Allen belt and lack of room in the LEM for 2 men, suited, with backpacks, which takes care of the latter question.


There you go again. Please post your references. As for the Van allen belts, Dr. Van Allen himself has stated that thinking that the Apollo missions couldn't go through them is ridiculous. What do you know that he didn't?


[link to www.clavius.org]

"The recent Fox TV show, which I saw, is an ingenious and entertaining assemblage of nonsense. The claim that radiation exposure during the Apollo missions would have been fatal to the astronauts is only one example of such nonsense." -- Dr. James Van Allen

Ever heard of the original suits? They were of LEAD.

It is the Van Allen belt and lack of room in the LEM for 2 men, suited, with backpacks, which takes care of the latter question.


There you go again. Please post your references. As for the Van allen belts, Dr. Van Allen himself has stated that thinking that the Apollo missions couldn't go through them is ridiculous. What do you know that he didn't?


[link to www.clavius.org]

"The recent Fox TV show, which I saw, is an ingenious and entertaining assemblage of nonsense. The claim that radiation exposure during the Apollo missions would have been fatal to the astronauts is only one example of such nonsense." -- Dr. James Van Allen


Yes, sure. Ever heard of the original suits? They were of LEAD. You know why? Radiation.

But it's possible it would have worked. I don't know as much about that one, as I said. But I know the photos were some of them provable fakes, and the conditions impossible.