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Inane. Gimmeabreak.

I was back and forth between people and the guy was signing R. I am more interested in the comments than the IDs. If you used real names it might help!

Plus, it was 4-5 in the morning. I wasn't bothering with the names ... the guy signed "R".

I pay more attention to the other stuff ...

Not that I meant to be uncivil!

I wasn't looking to the left so much as reading their material and R. was R. at that point.

However, if you think I did tht with the Moon photos or the Vids of 9/11 -- except one, which I did make a mistake on -- or the issues around the planes and John Lear ... be my guest. THOSE I know. Not every detail, but some are clear and require revision of some of "our" ideas about political reality.

Sorry, but *I* don't have to become an appogist for that allegedly experienced observer whom wouldn't "unremember" that she had smelled CORDITE!

YOU are the one who said: "Many, many workers at the Pentagon are very familiar with the smell of cordite. Even the office workers."

So now they are very familiar with something else, instead, because your first claim was, oops, false? How droll, George.

Well, this may be off topic, but I'm glad we has this exchange here. I would have probably never opened a "911" thread and for a long time I've felt a little guilty about not looking into what groups like Scholars for 9/11 Truth had to say.

Seeing as they are apparently a bunch of loons, I'm glad I never bothered.

Clare, there were real people on those planes. People with close friends, wives, husbands, lovers, children, parents who dropped them off at the airport, or waited for them at the airport, people whose family members never came home.

You're seriously suggesting that the technology exists to sample someone's voice and create fake conversations that would fool intimate friends and relatives?

Putting this as politely as I can, I think you're so into all this that you're detached from important segments of your mind.

No.



It might help if you were more observant.



No you don't.

Just ponting out: whatever your questions were -- I have not caught up with today's activity yet --

EVERY lawyer or debater is given time to PREPARE. This improves their handling of details -- like names, dates, and interrelationship specifics in some cases -- and also their overall grasp of interrelationships, which might have been roughly okay but not quite right.

So I don't see why a person should have everything at their fingertips every time they make a claim. Others who are intrigued can go and listen to the source material ... or in the case of a debate, can let the person marshal their claim with exactness.

This is also why I have a problem with those who jump on tiny errors, errors in semantics as if they are errors in concept, or errors in concept when the rest is intelligent. This is like listening to a radio interview and expecting a person to make a perfect presentation of all facts, with no speaking errors, or even concepts in progress.

That is inane. And people do it here all the time. Just because someone is speaking about something you don't think they have a right to, or a concept you don't like the implications of, does not mean they have to present it perfectly to you. Every speaker is a person first, a mind second, and a knowledge sieve third!

But anyway, that was not meant specifically for you -- though you made those comments about R. vs R., I think. (I say, "I think", because I noticed only the Finnish flag, not the i.d. number.) My comments are meant more for the general audience on this, riffing off your thought that George B. should answer before the debate. Not true. If he can and wants to, then fine.

But it's somehow NOT a cloud formation?



You have just described normal contrails.



Meaningless! There are any number of vids of that procedure, which looks NOTHING like persisting contrails.




And this has WHAT do to with 'chemtrails'? NOTHING, that's what! THIS is why I refuse to get further enmired in this silly discussion!

I already invited you to start another "chemtrail" thread. Why don't you just *DO* that?

How so? Who cares? As long as it's sorted out in the end on who is who on a forum, it doesn't matter. If someone mistook a faceless id. (say, a "Clare" for a "Cory") at 4 in the morning, I'd understand. <scratches head in bemusement>.



Toss off slam. Meaningless.

So ... OH yes I DO. I make some mistakes, but the concepts I get just fine, when I care. And I care about 9/11. Re-read my posts. Most people don't know all those things about the planes. And they are fact. You can draw whatever conclusions you like from them -- though some conclusions would be more fitting, objectively speaking -- but they are facts.

So, again ...
Not that I meant to be uncivil!

I wasn't looking to the left so much as reading their material and R. was R. at that point.

However, if you think I did tht with the Moon photos or the Vids of 9/11 -- except one, which I did make a mistake on -- or the issues around the planes and John Lear ... be my guest. THOSE I know. Not every detail, but some are clear and require revision of some of "our" ideas about political reality.

I am not sure what question/s you think I didn't answer. I simply answered a series of your questions with a rhetorical question . . . so you don't think there are people interested in the Chemtrail/Contrail issue? The obvious answer is . . . I think there are. I don't believe your site answers all the questions which need to be answered. It addressed primarily the persistence of contrails and the variety that can be pictured and the source that can cause them. While I know that trails in the sky was much of the back and forth between Menow and I; it is not the core of the real issue. That is, is someone doing something with aerial dispersion that is not known or approved by the people of the world.

Picauyne.

I used the term cordite - she said explosives or cordite; I don't recall. It is again a common historical error -- in this case meaning "something fired or exploded in the ordinary TNT or Gunpowder FAMILY, roughly --

I.E., NOT JET FUEL.

That is the KEY issue, Menow. You are being stupid in missing the forest for the trees.

How droll, Menow.

Because you have not agreed to participate.

How much time have YOU had to review the physics of Lunar rotation? Yet, you STILL insist that it is not at all the way all astronomers and physicists see it.

Actually, as I have been saying, you have been slooooowly retreating and retracting the scope of your claim until it exists only as a semantical difference... until, that is, we get down to what would happen if the Moon stopped orbiting Earth.

Not interested. This is, starting just now, my busy time of the year. I'm sure The Guy and SA will show up, though, and destroy everything you say.

This is evidence that particulates are allowed to be released in significant quantities by state agencies throughout the country. The military releases large amounts of particulates as well both with/and I believe without approval. Weather modifications are being experimented with as well. There is significant evidence of the above in governmental sources. There is also significant circumstantial evidence to prove the above as well. I need a little time to validate and produce them . . . I don't have time to make them fool proof now but could within a couple of days. I know that any slip on my part would be seen by you as an invalidation of the evidence.

There were real people, yes. They are dead or in witness protection programs.

Some people are unconfirmed in identity but some are definitely really lost.

If you are interested in the passengers only <sob oh sob>, you can look into that aspect.

What I was saying, and what has not "detached my mind" is that there could have been no planes (except maybe one to take the passengers somewhere else). All the "planes were were blips on screens in war games, possibly didn't even fly that day ... and there:

-WAS NO JET FUEL at the Pentagon;

-there were no PLANE PARTS anywhere, except impossibly small parts at the Pentagon, a teeny bit of trash blown up in a bulldozed perfect plane-shape in grass at Shanksville, and wrong types of plants under tarps in NYC;

-and in NYC we have explosions and holes again like cartoon perfect impressions in the buildings PLIS parallax problems (and other problems) in CGI video from a hub to the media.

THAT requires that whatever happened to those people on the drill that day, some of wom may also have thought they were going to a business meeting or whatever, just means they were duped or were bumped off or are in hiding.

What of that do you not get?

Do you really need planes on 9/11? No. NOT AT THE EVENT SITES. You need people thinking there were planes there, you need passenger people dying or going into hiding after a drill on some plane somewhere.

It would seem they took the passengers off an original plane and moved them for kill-off or dispersion. We don't know. We do know they didn't reach their story-line "destinations": the "target" locations. Perhaps they were on a plane near Shanksville (not the bulldozed trash site that's claimed); if they blew up the people near there, that would explain the reports of wreckage that supposedly went over 8 miles away. But nothing's for certain on the latter, so the people may have been moved at some other airport far away and disposed of nicely or fatally.

They are not in the storyline at that point.

Oh.... you don't actually recall what she said, but it is of utmost importance.

Noted is Clare's habit of adopting the language she recently hears/sees/reads and adds it to her ever-expanding, meaningless word-salads.

How cute. Now expect Clare to repeat the expression 'how cute' for a while.

Was pissed off and fed up and then changed my mind re. leaving.

So, "!?" if you couldn't figure that out, Menow.

(Sarcasm. I know you are just saying you wanted me to go. :) )

So let me get this straight, George.
It is your claim that normal contrails are primarily composed of water vapour and dissipate rapidly, while "chemtrails" are laden with concentrations of various chemicals which cause them not to dissipate.

In that case please explain why normal clouds in the sky persist and do not dissipate. Surely it is obvious that water vapour clouds can and do persist given the right atmospheric conditions.

OK, enough said . . . I don't know 'The Guy' and 'SA' . . . have no problem with them . . . if they allow a three judge decision with judges of their choice; or they could be judges.

Last Edited by George B on 05/31/2010 03:40 PM

You mean when testimony of supposed experienced observers shows they don't really know what they are talking about(cordite)? That pretty much describes the entirity of the 'chemtrail' proponents arguments.

State agencies are allowing the release of jet exhaust and/or silver iodide? BLIMEY! Something just HAS to be done!

Oh now I'm cute.

You are being inane again!

I don't recall if she used the term CORDITE. She spoke of explosives and that's for sure. That was the distinction and that's what I got from it, and what Fetzer and Lear and Jones got from it. April Gallop smelled a bomb -- or some modern explosives -- but NOT JET FUEL.

So? IT'S NOT JET FUEL.

I think Lear or Fetzer used the term cordite in their discussion of it, as synonymous with explosives of some kind. They are older and cordite, their manner of speaking, was synonymous with the class of thing we're talking of: the generality of EXPLOSIVES but NOT JET FUEL.

NO JET FUEL.
NADA.
NONE.

AND ISN'T THAT MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE WORD I HEARD USED FOR IT? (I have heard Fetzer speak many times of cordite in this context, so he must be lumping cordite in with explosives still.) It's EXPLOSIVES.

Now, to the point, Menow. THE PENTAGON WASN'T HIT WITH SOMETHING WITH JET FUEL.

Nor was Shanksville's bulldoed field in a plane shape.

(Nor was NYC, but there they had the jet fuel fo the videos, so they could insert the CGI planes into it. The parallax is the key: they were messing with the video from a hub to start; all other parts of them must be suspect before acceptance, therefore.)

I thought you were too busy?

Right... Because somebody said they only could smell CORDITE... but ohh... you don't really REMEMBER what that person actually said.

Sheesh!

Again.

How droll, Menow.


Oh.... you don't actually recall what she said, but it is of utmost importance.

Noted is Clare's habit of adopting the language she recently hears/sees/reads and adds it to her ever-expanding, meaningless word-salads.

How cute. Now expect Clare to repeat the expression 'how cute' for a while.

Oh now I'm cute.

You are being inane again!

I don't recall if she used the term CORDITE. She spoke of explosives and that's for sure. That was the distinction and that's what I got from it, and what Fetzer and Lear and Jones got from it. April Gallop smelled a bomb -- or some modern explosives -- but NOT JET FUEL.

So? IT'S NOT JET FUEL.
(snip)

Do you know what metal which has been tortured, ground-up, burned and mangled to within an inch of its life SMELLS like, Clare? It's one of the things those of us who have experience in the real, mechanical world of machinery and manufacturing know about, Clare. It's a man thing.

No I don't.

I said it rotates. I said it on day two.

Stop it.

I said it the minute I saw you guys were talking of how it is seen from everywhere except Earth.

And when I said it wouldn't rotate if we stopped, I was talking of its dirct path around Earth if we are *imagined* stopped -- with the "locked face" still facing us. This is how we picture the *current motions* in superposition -- what it looks like from the superpostition understanding of JUST THE E-M system as it CURRENTLY is.

However, there is a difference between that and the physical world if we actually stopped the system and the Moon. Then it would START rotating relative to the Earth, breaking tidal lock -- so to speak. I know tidal lock is relative movement, so it's not "breaking".

Done. Finito.

Wake up to what I really said again and again, please.

WHAT I DID NOT KNOW IS THAT PHYSICALLY, IF WE WERE STOPPED, THE MOON WOULD START ROTATING RELATIVE TO EARTH. That was finally answered -- I noticed yesterday -- when someone finally answered me instead of REFUSING out of malice.

That's what happened. Ciao.

You want three days of dedicated effort. I'm on the road in a coffee shop, man.

Change of topic from Menow since my point was clear.

It wasn't jet fuel.

Key point.

Side issue now, for Menow, to acknowledge his sidebar:
Your issue with being a "man" is striking. Other than that, yes, I have been not a worker in manufacturing, but did Industrial and Metalwork in school and sculpture. But I don't have a sense of smell, really strong.

The issue was it wasn't an oil smell; it was explosives.

That much was clear throughout from April and Lear and Fetzer and Jones, even though one used the term cordite and I picked that up from them.

How nice!

Wish I were there. To be with a MAN, any man, even Menow. LOLOL!

Okay, sorry Menow. But you are so nasty sometimes. :P

George B:

HI!

{>:-)

How's my Triceratops fella? There's a pal for ya. Can you see the Triceratops in my emoticon there?