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This is a very short clip and I think it also says a lot.




It says a lot about your ignorance of basic aeronautical science.

All aircraft operate on the same basic ideas, just because one has more systems to manage than another is utterly beside the argument.

Do you mean the pilot being interviewed is lying?


George... are you going to start a chemtrail thread inviting 'The Guy' to debate? He WILL give you the 'civil' debate you desire. Do it!

I will if the contacts me . . . this is a great amount of work and effort . . . I don't want to waste more time on it unless it has a chance to fly.


If he contacts YOU? How would he know to do that?

You wanted a debate. We told you how to get one. Now you balk?

This is a very short clip and I think it also says a lot.




It says a lot about your ignorance of basic aeronautical science.

All aircraft operate on the same basic ideas, just because one has more systems to manage than another is utterly beside the argument.

Do you mean the pilot being interviewed is lying?


George... are you going to start a chemtrail thread inviting 'The Guy' to debate? He WILL give you the 'civil' debate you desire. Do it!

I will if the contacts me . . . this is a great amount of work and effort . . . I don't want to waste more time on it unless it has a chance to fly.


If he contacts YOU? How would he know to do that?

You wanted a debate. We told you how to get one. Now you balk?

I just sent 'The Guy' an email . . . lets see if he responds.

This is a very short clip and I think it also says a lot.




It says a lot about your ignorance of basic aeronautical science.

All aircraft operate on the same basic ideas, just because one has more systems to manage than another is utterly beside the argument.

Do you mean the pilot being interviewed is lying?


George... are you going to start a chemtrail thread inviting 'The Guy' to debate? He WILL give you the 'civil' debate you desire. Do it!

I will if the contacts me . . . this is a great amount of work and effort . . . I don't want to waste more time on it unless it has a chance to fly.


If he contacts YOU? How would he know to do that?

You wanted a debate. We told you how to get one. Now you balk?

This is a very short clip and I think it also says a lot.




It says a lot about your ignorance of basic aeronautical science.

All aircraft operate on the same basic ideas, just because one has more systems to manage than another is utterly beside the argument.

Do you mean the pilot being interviewed is lying?


George... are you going to start a chemtrail thread inviting 'The Guy' to debate? He WILL give you the 'civil' debate you desire. Do it!

I will if the contacts me . . . this is a great amount of work and effort . . . I don't want to waste more time on it unless it has a chance to fly.


If he contacts YOU? How would he know to do that?

You wanted a debate. We told you how to get one. Now you balk?

I just sent 'The Guy' an email . . . lets see if he responds.


Good. He will respond if you used a valid addy.

I tried to find a pic of the light pole impaled in Lloyd England's cab's back seat, as I remember it was. Clare said the seats were untouched. I didn't find one, but since she would ignore it anyway, I won't waste any more time on it.

So you’re not only selectively choosing your witnesses, but you’re also selectively choosing parts of their observations while discarding/discounting other aspects that don’t fit your theory. That’s amazing

This is a very short clip and I think it also says a lot.




It says a lot about your ignorance of basic aeronautical science.

All aircraft operate on the same basic ideas, just because one has more systems to manage than another is utterly beside the argument.

Do you mean the pilot being interviewed is lying?


George... are you going to start a chemtrail thread inviting 'The Guy' to debate? He WILL give you the 'civil' debate you desire. Do it!

I will if the contacts me . . . this is a great amount of work and effort . . . I don't want to waste more time on it unless it has a chance to fly.


If he contacts YOU? How would he know to do that?

You wanted a debate. We told you how to get one. Now you balk?
I don't want to balk . . . I want at least one day to prepare and set the schedule with the Opponent to meet his needs.

I tried to find a pic of the light pole impaled in Lloyd England's cab's back seat, as I remember it was. Clare said the seats were untouched. I didn't find one, but since she would ignore it anyway, I won't waste any more time on it.


Clare also claims that the cab was untouched with the light pole sticking through it, but every account I can find says it broke through the windshield.

She has a very selective and imaginitive "memory".

This is a very short clip and I think it also says a lot.

It says a lot about your ignorance of basic aeronautical science.

All aircraft operate on the same basic ideas, just because one has more systems to manage than another is utterly beside the argument.

Do you mean the pilot being interviewed is lying?


George... are you going to start a chemtrail thread inviting 'The Guy' to debate? He WILL give you the 'civil' debate you desire. Do it!

I will if the contacts me . . . this is a great amount of work and effort . . . I don't want to waste more time on it unless it has a chance to fly.


If he contacts YOU? How would he know to do that?

You wanted a debate. We told you how to get one. Now you balk?
I don't want to balk . . . I want at least one day to prepare and set the schedule with the Opponent to meet his needs.

You are NOT going to get a 'controlled debate' on GLP. Just start the dang thread and get what you get.

This is a very short clip and I think it also says a lot.

It says a lot about your ignorance of basic aeronautical science.

All aircraft operate on the same basic ideas, just because one has more systems to manage than another is utterly beside the argument.

Do you mean the pilot being interviewed is lying?


George... are you going to start a chemtrail thread inviting 'The Guy' to debate? He WILL give you the 'civil' debate you desire. Do it!

I will if the contacts me . . . this is a great amount of work and effort . . . I don't want to waste more time on it unless it has a chance to fly.


If he contacts YOU? How would he know to do that?

You wanted a debate. We told you how to get one. Now you balk?
I don't want to balk . . . I want at least one day to prepare and set the schedule with the Opponent to meet his needs.

You are NOT going to get a 'controlled debate' on GLP. Just start the dang thread and get what you get.

The only control I want is some communication with my declared Opponent. I realize once the debate begins it is most likely a brawl.

This is a very short clip and I think it also says a lot.

It says a lot about your ignorance of basic aeronautical science.

All aircraft operate on the same basic ideas, just because one has more systems to manage than another is utterly beside the argument.

Do you mean the pilot being interviewed is lying?


George... are you going to start a chemtrail thread inviting 'The Guy' to debate? He WILL give you the 'civil' debate you desire. Do it!

I will if the contacts me . . . this is a great amount of work and effort . . . I don't want to waste more time on it unless it has a chance to fly.


If he contacts YOU? How would he know to do that?

You wanted a debate. We told you how to get one. Now you balk?
I don't want to balk . . . I want at least one day to prepare and set the schedule with the Opponent to meet his needs.

You are NOT going to get a 'controlled debate' on GLP. Just start the dang thread and get what you get.

The only control I want is some communication with my declared Opponent. I realize once the debate begins it is most likely a brawl.

Start the thread. "The Guy" will show up.

This is a very short clip and I think it also says a lot.

It says a lot about your ignorance of basic aeronautical science.

All aircraft operate on the same basic ideas, just because one has more systems to manage than another is utterly beside the argument.

Do you mean the pilot being interviewed is lying?


George... are you going to start a chemtrail thread inviting 'The Guy' to debate? He WILL give you the 'civil' debate you desire. Do it!

I will if the contacts me . . . this is a great amount of work and effort . . . I don't want to waste more time on it unless it has a chance to fly.


If he contacts YOU? How would he know to do that?

You wanted a debate. We told you how to get one. Now you balk?
I don't want to balk . . . I want at least one day to prepare and set the schedule with the Opponent to meet his needs.

You are NOT going to get a 'controlled debate' on GLP. Just start the dang thread and get what you get.

The only control I want is some communication with my declared Opponent. I realize once the debate begins it is most likely a brawl.

Start the thread. "The Guy" will show up.

Why are you so sure?

This is a very short clip and I think it also says a lot.

It says a lot about your ignorance of basic aeronautical science.

All aircraft operate on the same basic ideas, just because one has more systems to manage than another is utterly beside the argument.

Do you mean the pilot being interviewed is lying?


George... are you going to start a chemtrail thread inviting 'The Guy' to debate? He WILL give you the 'civil' debate you desire. Do it!

I will if the contacts me . . . this is a great amount of work and effort . . . I don't want to waste more time on it unless it has a chance to fly.


If he contacts YOU? How would he know to do that?

You wanted a debate. We told you how to get one. Now you balk?
I don't want to balk . . . I want at least one day to prepare and set the schedule with the Opponent to meet his needs.

You are NOT going to get a 'controlled debate' on GLP. Just start the dang thread and get what you get.

The only control I want is some communication with my declared Opponent. I realize once the debate begins it is most likely a brawl.

Start the thread. "The Guy" will show up.

Why are you so sure?

Because he follows all the 'chemtrail' threads.

This is a very short clip and I think it also says a lot.

It says a lot about your ignorance of basic aeronautical science.

All aircraft operate on the same basic ideas, just because one has more systems to manage than another is utterly beside the argument.

Do you mean the pilot being interviewed is lying?


George... are you going to start a chemtrail thread inviting 'The Guy' to debate? He WILL give you the 'civil' debate you desire. Do it!

I will if the contacts me . . . this is a great amount of work and effort . . . I don't want to waste more time on it unless it has a chance to fly.


If he contacts YOU? How would he know to do that?

You wanted a debate. We told you how to get one. Now you balk?
I don't want to balk . . . I want at least one day to prepare and set the schedule with the Opponent to meet his needs.

You are NOT going to get a 'controlled debate' on GLP. Just start the dang thread and get what you get.

The only control I want is some communication with my declared Opponent. I realize once the debate begins it is most likely a brawl.

Start the thread. "The Guy" will show up.

Why are you so sure?

Because he follows all the 'chemtrail' threads.

Ok, even if the doesn't contact me I will start the New Thread the morning of 7 Jun 2010 . . . Monday morning around 10:00 AM central time . . . I will announce it also on this thread so you will know.

This is a very short clip and I think it also says a lot.

It says a lot about your ignorance of basic aeronautical science.

All aircraft operate on the same basic ideas, just because one has more systems to manage than another is utterly beside the argument.

Do you mean the pilot being interviewed is lying?


George... are you going to start a chemtrail thread inviting 'The Guy' to debate? He WILL give you the 'civil' debate you desire. Do it!

I will if the contacts me . . . this is a great amount of work and effort . . . I don't want to waste more time on it unless it has a chance to fly.


If he contacts YOU? How would he know to do that?

You wanted a debate. We told you how to get one. Now you balk?
I don't want to balk . . . I want at least one day to prepare and set the schedule with the Opponent to meet his needs.

You are NOT going to get a 'controlled debate' on GLP. Just start the dang thread and get what you get.

The only control I want is some communication with my declared Opponent. I realize once the debate begins it is most likely a brawl.

Start the thread. "The Guy" will show up.

This is a very short clip and I think it also says a lot.

It says a lot about your ignorance of basic aeronautical science.

All aircraft operate on the same basic ideas, just because one has more systems to manage than another is utterly beside the argument.

Do you mean the pilot being interviewed is lying?


George... are you going to start a chemtrail thread inviting 'The Guy' to debate? He WILL give you the 'civil' debate you desire. Do it!

I will if the contacts me . . . this is a great amount of work and effort . . . I don't want to waste more time on it unless it has a chance to fly.


If he contacts YOU? How would he know to do that?

You wanted a debate. We told you how to get one. Now you balk?
I don't want to balk . . . I want at least one day to prepare and set the schedule with the Opponent to meet his needs.

You are NOT going to get a 'controlled debate' on GLP. Just start the dang thread and get what you get.

The only control I want is some communication with my declared Opponent. I realize once the debate begins it is most likely a brawl.

Start the thread. "The Guy" will show up.

Why are you so sure?

Because he follows all the 'chemtrail' threads.

Ok, even if the doesn't contact me I will start the New Thread the morning of 7 Jun 2010 . . . Monday morning around 10:00 AM central time . . . I will announce it also on this thread so you will know.


I suppose he could be on some sort of 'duty' which would keep him away. He's in the Navy.

This is a very short clip and I think it also says a lot.

It says a lot about your ignorance of basic aeronautical science.

All aircraft operate on the same basic ideas, just because one has more systems to manage than another is utterly beside the argument.

Do you mean the pilot being interviewed is lying?


George... are you going to start a chemtrail thread inviting 'The Guy' to debate? He WILL give you the 'civil' debate you desire. Do it!

I will if the contacts me . . . this is a great amount of work and effort . . . I don't want to waste more time on it unless it has a chance to fly.


If he contacts YOU? How would he know to do that?

You wanted a debate. We told you how to get one. Now you balk?
I don't want to balk . . . I want at least one day to prepare and set the schedule with the Opponent to meet his needs.

You are NOT going to get a 'controlled debate' on GLP. Just start the dang thread and get what you get.

The only control I want is some communication with my declared Opponent. I realize once the debate begins it is most likely a brawl.

Start the thread. "The Guy" will show up.

Why are you so sure?

Because he follows all the 'chemtrail' threads.

Ok, even if the doesn't contact me I will start the New Thread the morning of 7 Jun 2010 . . . Monday morning around 10:00 AM central time . . . I will announce it also on this thread so you will know.


I suppose he could be on some sort of 'duty' which would keep him away. He's in the Navy.

I understand I was in the military for several years. If he is unavailable . . . Monday will you agree to take his place?

Menow, is basically saying they (the debunkers) are organized. Me thinks MeNow will not be around too much longer with gaffs like this.

Do you mean the pilot being interviewed is lying? He said he had flown the same aircraft as a senior pilot and he could not have done what these people did . . . flying into buildings with the precision they accomplished.

Do you mean the pilot being interviewed is lying? He said he had flown the same aircraft as a senior pilot and he could not have done what these people did . . . flying into buildings with the precision they accomplished.

let us say that your `senior pilot' is apparently incapable of landing on a runway 50 ft wider than the runways at JFK- in which case it may be wondered if the term senior pilot is the aeronautical version of senior citizen...

the width of the twin towers (in this case 208 ft) according to

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

to support that every day hundreds of similar planes manage to `hit' a smaller width `strip' with no difficulty (something your `senior pilot' is apparently incapable of doing...)

I put forward this as evidence

[link to www.aci-na.org]

now I further put forward that this runway width increase was for 747's- not 757's- which are 195ft and 124ft respectively in wingspan

so if your senior pilot cant land a 124ft wide plane on a 208ft wide runway when several hundred other pilots a day can land 195ft wide planes on that exact runway..


well please tell me when he is flying the plane

I dont wish to die as he squints at the runway saying `Oh Magoo, you've done it again...'

No. 'The Guy' is your man. If he doesn't show, SnakeAirlines surely will. He won't have as much patience, however.

Do you mean the pilot being interviewed is lying? He said he had flown the same aircraft as a senior pilot and he could not have done what these people did . . . flying into buildings with the precision they accomplished.

let us say that your `senior pilot' is apparently incapable of landing on a runway 50 ft wider than the runways at JFK- in which case it may be wondered if the term senior pilot is the aeronautical version of senior citizen...

the width of the twin towers (in this case 208 ft) according to

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

to support that every day hundreds of similar planes manage to `hit' a smaller width `strip' with no difficulty (something your `senior pilot' is apparently incapable of doing...)

I put forward this as evidence

[link to www.aci-na.org]

now I further put forward that this runway width increase was for 747's- not 757's- which are 195ft and 124ft respectively in wingspan

so if your senior pilot cant land a 124ft wide plane on a 208ft wide runway when several hundred other pilots a day can land 195ft wide planes on that exact runway..


well please tell me when he is flying the plane

I dont wish to die as he squints at the runway saying `Oh Magoo, you've done it again...'

If you reviewed the clip I think the speed was the major factor . . . both clips the one from the 737 instructor pilot and the later one you are referring to . . . both senior pilots indicated the speed was the limiting factor. At landing speeds they probably both would admit they could hit the towers.

interesting- so what you are putting forward as evidence(and I did watch the `clips' which both to me seem very iffy- as in there are distinct pauses and `glitches' between the questions and answers) is that increasing the speed makes it impossible for the `pilots' to fly down a visual path to the towers...

so I would like to ask- at what speed would they be able to `hit' the towers and at what speed would it be impossible for them to hit them?

Do you mean the pilot being interviewed is lying? He said he had flown the same aircraft as a senior pilot and he could not have done what these people did . . . flying into buildings with the precision they accomplished.

let us say that your `senior pilot' is apparently incapable of landing on a runway 50 ft wider than the runways at JFK- in which case it may be wondered if the term senior pilot is the aeronautical version of senior citizen...

the width of the twin towers (in this case 208 ft) according to

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

to support that every day hundreds of similar planes manage to `hit' a smaller width `strip' with no difficulty (something your `senior pilot' is apparently incapable of doing...)

I put forward this as evidence

[link to www.aci-na.org]

now I further put forward that this runway width increase was for 747's- not 757's- which are 195ft and 124ft respectively in wingspan

so if your senior pilot cant land a 124ft wide plane on a 208ft wide runway when several hundred other pilots a day can land 195ft wide planes on that exact runway..


well please tell me when he is flying the plane

I dont wish to die as he squints at the runway saying `Oh Magoo, you've done it again...'

If you reviewed the clip I think the speed was the major factor . . . both clips the one from the 737 instructor pilot and the later one you are referring to . . . both senior pilots indicated the speed was the limiting factor. At landing speeds they probably both would admit they could hit the towers.

page 10 in . . THE 9/11 COMMISSION REPORT
At 9:37:46, American Airlines Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon, traveling at approximately 530 miles per hour. 61 All on board, as well as many civilian and military personnel in the building, were killed.

I will say that I have always wondered how difficult it would be for novice pilots to do what they did. How did they even navigate to the buildings in the first place? Visually? I really don't have the background to know about any of that.