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Ahhh.

Now I see George is an AJ fan. It all becomes clear.

Sad, but clear.


R.

From what he said, George is not a "fan" as in a "fanatic" nor am I as I have made clear.
 Quoting: mclarek 986233


You have made yourself perfectly clear, here, dear, Clare.

You have made yourself very intimately explicit in so many ways, dear, Clare, Clear, Here.

What kind of a woman are you, Clare?

On Topic:

Fans are not fanatics per se. But they can be. If anyone would follow your thinking, and believe it, it would make a fanatic fan who is dangerous to his or her surroundings. Not to mention a risk to her or his Soul.

It all becomes clear.

Clare, you clearly are not a bad type. You mean well. Your intentions are good. You've discovered something shocking (to you) but not all of the shock was/is true, as in real.

This is the 9/11. Fans turned fanatics and did things that shocked the world. And you're right, there are things that haven't been clearly proven wrong. But most of the things that you shout about here have been proven wrong, meaning they've been debunked as any sane person following the whole discussion can see. You haven't clearly been following the whole discussion (and I can prove that if necessary) and you shout about things that already have been debunked in this thread. Don't you open the links? Don't you read what's inside of them? Don't you think about that stuff at all? And you claim to be some kind of an expert or an activist HERE? GET OUT!
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so who is the finnish zetatard??

isnt our self pleasuring ningtard, or either of the canadian idiots

dont tell me nancy has a finnish server as well?

Oh yeah! Care to back that up with something, asshole? I thought not. You Nancy-is-everywhere believers are a laugh!
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i am almost thinking that loser has found a finnish proxy- its certainly foulmouthed enough
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we tried actually talking to you clunk- and you were the one that didnt bother replying, page after page of your insane babbling instead so

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Yes, that is true. And Clare totally ignored it. Hence, she's able to maintain false belief.
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so who is the finnish zetatard??

isnt our self pleasuring ningtard, or either of the canadian idiots

dont tell me nancy has a finnish server as well?

Oh yeah! Care to back that up with something, asshole? I thought not. You Nancy-is-everywhere believers are a laugh!

i am almost thinking that loser has found a finnish proxy- its certainly foulmouthed enough
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You're clearly not thinking at all now. Do some research and then get back to me.
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you seem to think that you are worth spending time on

sorry- I got better things to do than play guess who with a foul mouthed finnish wanker like yourself, you are simply a minor amusement while waiting to see if I just got a new boat or not

so either say what you are just dying to spill or shut up, I wont be playing games with you
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You have made yourself perfectly clear, here, dear, Clare.

You have made yourself very intimately explicit in so many ways, dear, Clare, Clear, Here.

What kind of a woman are you, Clare?


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WTF??

ALMOST SEEMS LIKE SOMEONE IS TRYING TO HINT AT SOMETHING...MIGHT WANDER OVER TO THE NING AND SEE IF ANY FINNISH TARDS HAVE A HARD ON FOR ANY CANADIAN BITCHES...

;-)
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Here we are in June and only six months until what I consider to be Nancy's ultimate failure occurs. After all, she said that 2012 was "too far out." I don't consider that to be the case anymore but I'm giving her until 2011. Then her failure will be complete.
A voice of reason in a world of woo-woos.
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Here we are in June and only six months until what I consider to be Nancy's ultimate failure occurs. After all, she said that 2012 was "too far out." I don't consider that to be the case anymore but I'm giving her until 2011. Then her failure will be complete.
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Yep. BUMP for the final FAILURE of ZetaTalk!
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Yes, I have driven there, and people would have noticed.
There are folks who do boating on that river, you know.
There's just too many ways people would have seen something
like that.
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Fair obseration; however, a cruse may not make enough noise to call attention to itself (lost in the ambient noise). It would also move so fast at a very low altitude . . . not like in Iraq where it was probably designed to make the greatest impression as possible as an in-your-face object lesson.

Dude, half of GLP thinks Jones is an FBI informant!
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I guess I haven't been here long enough to know that . . . what then is his purpose . . . disinformation, helping to I.D. the kooks to be placed on surveillance . . . What?
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Flying a passenger jet at cruising speed at 25 feet might not be a good idea, but if your intention is to use the plane as a missile and you have no plans to survive anyway it's not impossible.

Whee, my IP is unbanned! Been trying to post but couldn't.
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We also know they, like others in the V became involved over history in HORRIBLE things that are quite commonly written about -- q.v. the Inquisition for starters,


More shocking revelations from the Great White North:

Catholics were involved in the Inquisition.

What? No Youtube video to back that up?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 969583

My point was from the other end of history -- here, now: that it wasn't just a religious outporing from its time, but was a political torture squad which would refuse, as did the CIA under Kennedy, to be disbanded.

And when I say political, I mean in effect an "army" of propagandists, black prison experts, renditioners (kidnappers) and so on, all organized.

You think they would give that up and be disbanded? The hard core ones would train the next generation, and work with powerful laypeople as well as inside the temporal power seat at the V.

THAT is what we find evidence of.
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Clare!

I posted pics a few pages back -- any chance you might do the same?

How are you today?
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Clunk troll getting desperate as more ignore her.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 993108

LOL!

I'm not desperate.

Your position on 9/11 is desperately untenable.

Handle the facts, the ones which you have to handle to know either way --

Parallax problems in the vids; Vicsim copied/pasted faces in passenger memorial photo faces of the "same person over time" AND morph CLOSE resemblances between firefighter identity photos, etc.; and Lear's points (including the one I posted about controllability of planes at that speed and air pressure.

Until then, your ignoring me does you no good. You know that.

You have a chance to debunk the salient points. You can't (not the photo evidence anyway) -- so cry me a river, guys.

All the rest comes into doubt because of the photo fakery.
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Anyone seen the Bermas clip? You'll like what he says. He thinks it's all bunk. ... Catch: He's the sound track only though.

clip from www.youtube.com: The Most Scottish Man in Canada
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What does this have to do with the Bermas clip?

He says the planes were real and the victims all have real mourners.

But the photos say otherwise. ESPECIALLY SOME OF THE "FIREFIGHTERS" after his clip is over ... they MUST have been boosting #s of dead.
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Clare!

I posted pics a few pages back -- any chance you might do the same?

How are you today?
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Oh ... Hi.

I didn't see them.

What page? I thought I'd gotten to all of them; I was quite busy posting yesterday as you might have noticed.

By the way:

how does one post a pic here?
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Flying a passenger jet at cruising speed at 25 feet might not be a good idea, but if your intention is to use the plane as a missile and you have no plans to survive anyway it's not impossible.

Whee, my IP is unbanned! Been trying to post but couldn't.
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Why was it banned? (The IP)

Plane that size couldn't get to 1 foot off the ground at that speed, for flying. It would have to have been at 1 foot or less to make the hole in the Pentagon.

TOO MUCH LIFT.

In a near nose-dive, yes, but then it would be striking the ground and leave parts of itself stuck in the wall and outside as it broke and part of it skidded forward "into the hole" possibly.
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Vicsim copied/pasted faces in passenger memorial photo faces of the "same person over time" AND morph CLOSE resemblances between firefighter identity photos,
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Completely ridiculous.

That one inane video you posted was alleging "morphed" pictures proved Todd Beamer wasn't a real victim.

Along with a number of other extremely well documented passengers.

You're as nutty as the poster who sees people having dinner parties on the moon in NASA photos.
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I have often wondered why some of the most die hard kooks on GLP are Canadians. First Luser and Freestore, now we have Clare. Not all of us are this stupid.
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I am far from stupid, which is obvious to anyone who knows what real scientific mindedness is and what a real open mind is:

the latter is to believe WITH TESTABLE EVIDENCE, and LOGICAL DEDUCTION (as a LONG-ESTABLISHED PROCESS).

the former is to INSIST ON THE TESTS FOR THAT EVIDENCE and STICKING TO LOGICAL DEDUCTION as best one can, on EVERY TOPIC.

You seem to think innocent mistakes along the way are proof of "unscientific-mindedness" in people (like me) who otherwise are very careful.

You also seem to confuse the TOPIC with the METHOD.


Let me let you in on a secret: a person may be a kook or an open-minded genius to be looking at what is currently often passed by.

And even IF their personal reasons are kooky, their work may well be genius.

So either way, the TOPIC is not the determinant of silliness; the USE OR NON-USE OF THE METHOD IS.

All of what I've brought up has to have a rational complete explanation. Unfortunately, the rational explanation SOUNDS EMOTIONALLY like irrationality. But in fact an intelligence op could and often does take advantage of everything implied here by me for 9/11. And 9/11 was most likely an intelligence op, in the broad sense of the term.

So ... handle Lear's point(s), the video parallax problems (video: Sept. Clues pt. 9), and the Vicsim photo duplicate heads and morphed head different identities. Some are quite clear.

Go ahead.

I dare ya. Be a debunker. You'll just be frustrated in your attempt or have to wake up. I went through the same process and clearly I am no dummy, as you know deep down even if you don't admit it to yourself. TRY the evidence. It bites, but won't burn you.
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Vicsim copied/pasted faces in passenger memorial photo faces of the "same person over time" AND morph CLOSE resemblances between firefighter identity photos,


Completely ridiculous.

That one inane video you posted was alleging "morphed" pictures proved Todd Beamer wasn't a real victim.

Along with a number of other extremely well documented passengers.

You're as nutty as the poster who sees people having dinner parties on the moon in NASA photos.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 969583

Not true at ALL>

Watch the Bermas clip the full way. I dare you.

And you know what? ONE COPIED/PASTED PHOTO HEAD is already a rat.

Beamer is one; Honor Elizabeth Wanio is another; so are many many more.

And then look at the fireman morph photo ids! Some are almost exactly the same.

And then consider the other fact: most pics are horrible from the original memorial -- some you can't even see the person clearly -- and have not been updated in 8 years by any family.

We know SOME people died that day. Most didn't.
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Along with a number of other extremely well documented passengers.

You're as nutty as the poster who sees people having dinner parties on the moon in NASA photos.
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Well documented? By whom? A university school claiming -- as with Obama -- tha they were there? Yah right. Who remembers them? School officials have been histoically well corruptible. Some of our intelligentsia is affiliated with CIA, etc. You do know that, right? Others cold be bribed, etc. Create a Web page. That's all it would take. Who is gonna search for her essays on record? And which ones would be on record?

And a family member crying and doing the circuit? Plant possibly.

So ... the photos.
They are the smoking gun documentation: deal with them.

..........

As to the NASA photos: when the TV has a flap down on a backpack facing you and a photo "shot" has it way up and triangular "at the same moment" there's a fake involved.

Go from there.
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And you know what? ONE COPIED/PASTED PHOTO HEAD is already a rat.

Beamer is one; Honor Elizabeth Wanio is another; so are many many more.
 Quoting: mclarek 986233 Anonymous Coward 969583


YOUR evidence falls apart with cross examination. The photo fakery doesn't.

So to be completely rational about this -- I mean COMPLETELY mental-process oriented about this --

For your hypothesis to be true, real family are carrying pasted heads for "some reason".

For this hypothesis I present to be true, the reason is explained as planted photos and a few poseur family members and a corrupted university official and fits with what we know is a) possible, b) common in intelligence circles.

Think this through without emotional bias.

We know SOME people died that day. Most didn't.
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Along with a number of other extremely well documented passengers.

You're as nutty as the poster who sees people having dinner parties on the moon in NASA photos.


Well documented? By whom?
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[link to www.post-gazette.com]

[link to www.unitedheroes.com]

[link to www.findagrave.com]



You're really a disgusting creep. Just calling it the way it is.
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Well documented? By whom?




[link to www.post-gazette.com]

[link to www.unitedheroes.com]

[link to www.findagrave.com]



You're really a disgusting creep. Just calling it the way it is.
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:))

I didn't mean literally by whom -- they are intelligence agents or co-opted or duped.

The photos are copied/pasted and morphed in these cases.

That stands. Do you dispute that fact specifically, or only say that they can't be because someone says the person was real? That's not scientific.

For your position to be true, these people are carrying "family member" heads pasted on other photos for "some reason". WHY?

For my position to be true, the photos have a reason: they are part of a plant family member scenario.

Mine trumps yours because the FACES WERE PASTED (some were smudged and morphed into others, too).
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I didn't mean literally by whom -- they are intelligence agents or co-opted or duped.

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Who SPECIFICALLY is an intelligence agent, co-opted or duped?

Honor Elizabeth Wainio?

Her co-workers? Her friends? Her family?
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The photos are copied/pasted and morphed in these cases.

That stands. Do you dispute that fact specifically, or only say that they can't be because someone says the person was real? That's not scientific.

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SCIENTIFIC?

ROTFLMAO!

Let's limit this to Honor Elizabeth Wainio so you don't start gyrating all over the map as usual.

I don't see any evidence of "morphed" photos.

I do see the same picture appearing in several places, but what the hell does that prove?
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Haha. Nancy is still falling for obvious traps. Here is a lie I posted on the ning to see if she would try to substantiate my claims or if the Zetas would decline to address. I mean they are all knowing, so they should be smart and in tune enough to know when someone is setting Nancy up to make a fool of herself. Well, as we know, she substantiates nothing before putting her foot in it, and the Zetas don't discern, because they don't exists outside her diseased mind:

Nancy I have lived in the same house for 30 years. The moon used to shine every night in my bedroom window, but not anymore. I don't know when it changed, but I noticed in March. I looked from the other rooms on my house and now I see the moon only in the bathroom in the window that looks south. My bedroom window is in the west. Is this normal or is it the pole shift. Thank you and the zetas for all you do!


And of course, this is what Nancy replied:
The Moon has had an erratic orbit since 2004 or so.

So then I asked another question in rebuttal:
Thank you Nancy, but I wonder why it didn't change before now if its been happening since 2004. I go to bed at the same time every night and the moon was always shining in my window when I got into bed. The change is only recent.

And of course, she replied with this:
Planet X came into our inner solar system in 2003, and has been creeping closer to us ever since, not outbound and has us in a grip before it. Thus, this influence on the Moon has steadily increased.


ROFLMAO. Now comments are closed for that "chat", but I'm sure one of her kooks will read this and I will be banned from the ning. Nancy Lieder, still making a fool of herself and proving Zetas can't even tell a real question from a trap.
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Dear Sir, there is, to comfort you, the possibility that some of these purported fakes are not. There are some which are inconclusive but suggestive of fakery. These ones would be part of the charges but some would fall in the end.

Beamer and Wanio are definite paste-heads though. So THOSE ones should find the family member subpoenaed and their college leaders -- they HAVE to be fake.

When you really look at the evidence, AC, it is so.

It's ugly, but not me for suspecting it. (Some people are morbid and just want to be weirdly nasty, but it's not *most* detective types.) I am interested in just the facts. And from that, we must build our hypotheses.

In fact, again, any photo fakes trump family claims.

We know Oswald had several different "families" over time, different identities (schools) etc.

This game is old.
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The photos are copied/pasted and morphed in these cases.

That stands. Do you dispute that fact specifically, or only say that they can't be because someone says the person was real? That's not scientific.



SCIENTIFIC?

ROTFLMAO!

Let's limit this to Honor Elizabeth Wainio so you don't start gyrating all over the map as usual.

I don't see any evidence of "morphed" photos.

I do see the same picture appearing in several places, but what the hell does that prove?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 969583

Before you loose your "A",

when I said morphed "in these cases" the context was the totality, not Wanio.

As to "the same photo" it's NOT. This is where you are not scientific.

Look at the backgrounds and position.

The head from the bottle-holding photo, was flipped and pasted onto a background with white shelves, and also another one with stuff on those shelves.

3 photos from 1. And then 3 more! with same head too on different dresses and sweaters (with one of those having no change in hair, and another having no change except shortened on one side with a brushed-in whitish highlight).

[link to septemberclues.info]

...................

Next, Todd. Same thing: 2 photos from 1.

Next ...

and so on.

Some are not as conclusive. And some have had slight airbrushing effects and a bit of a morph as well.

...................

Then there are the photos of "different people" with the same heads, lips, nose, but different eyes, and so on. THOSE are morphs, more completely, not just pasted.

Your evidence has other explanation. This does not -- unless it's a "loose end with co-incidence" that the family members of Todd and Wanio are carrying duplicate-head photos.
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I didn't mean literally by whom -- they are intelligence agents or co-opted or duped.



Who SPECIFICALLY is an intelligence agent, co-opted or duped?

Honor Elizabeth Wainio?

Her co-workers? Her friends? Her family?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 969583

Well, seeing as we can't subpoena them and those in the area to see if others "remember her" ... we cannot know EXCEPT that the person carrying the fake photos has to know something. And usually it's that person who is the only person in public about the "deceased".

School official of some kind -- not necessarily the top, since they may not realize it and someone else does the dirty planting and "shows" it to the busy president or whatever --

and so forth.

Those are details of prosecution.

What matters for US is to realize the faked photos trump stories and claims of families. There are not as many "family members" for these people as you might think; some have never been confirmed (passenger lists, etc.), and so on.

For us, since we won't be able to know exactly if it was the butler, maid, or whoever who set up the "murder" (pun intended), it is good enough to know that it was a murder -- of reality.
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Remember, a morph is only a more intelligent finder of features for doing an old idea: photo overlay with touch-up. And you can do a few more touch ups after, too.

[link to septemberclues.info]

Notice teeth: flipped, or airbrished. A lip drawn up and a neck angle chaned but no other difference ... the comparisons go on.

In the first section after Wanio, you'll see a "Brian Murphy". Note his face is flipped and the teeth flip with it, too, but in one the eyes have been doctored (the bad, black/white photo).

As to the morphs: check out about 1/2 way down the page:

FDNY:

David Fontana/Thomas Hannaflin (morph and one specific cut job: note the ear change on left ear: just cut off the outer ridge and it looks like a different angle, too)

Andre Fletcher/Keith Glascoe (obvious morph -- photo overlay with touch-up)

But my FAVOURITE LAUGH (if I'm going to admire the sloppiness of this fakery -- not be a disgusting person as you claimed and revel in the evil of it all) is:

MICHAEL BOCCHINO AND MICHAEL CARROLL!

Pior and Mulligan are good (bad fakes) too, and the whole section there is good.

Now THESE, dear AC, are worth LYAO.

Except they also make you feel sick, if you don't understand the planning of fake id work -- it's an old game and to the people in it, it is a game.

Some may not have known, when they did it, what the operation was for. This happened to those involved in the badge fakery for the false ids in Dallas for the killing of JFK.

Compartmentalized, plus a few more amoral people who will act a family member.





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