My point was from the other end of history -- here, now: that it wasn't just a religious outporing from its time, but was a political torture squad which would refuse, as did the CIA under Kennedy, to be disbanded.

And when I say political, I mean in effect an "army" of propagandists, black prison experts, renditioners (kidnappers) and so on, all organized.

You think they would give that up and be disbanded? The hard core ones would train the next generation, and work with powerful laypeople as well as inside the temporal power seat at the V.

THAT is what we find evidence of.