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That's hilarious...and sad at the same time because even though it's meant to be a joke, Nancy and her followers actually believe it.



Actually I think most people on GLP and particularly this thread KNOW that it is YOU that is the running joke here for what, years now, Circuit Not-so-Bright. Must really suck to be you, young man!
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Why do you say this? I have not been here so long as to know the history on these people here, except what they've revealed in my own experience here, or what others say, such as you?

Curious. TY.
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I never thought Zetasquawk was gov't. Someone else said Nancy does. Geez. LOL!

I did ask if the poster thought it was. That's all. Clear now, Dr?
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groan.....people simply don't do their homework. Nancy never claimed it was government, in fact she said it was not, is not, paid for by government money or worked at by government employees. Private company, of scared but stingy elitists.

Chalk it up to the debunkers, wheelin' with precision on that one. Right over everyone's head, too. sheesh! "Ma, there's gamblin' goin' on in here!! MAAAAA!!!!"
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I never thought Zetasquawk was gov't. Someone else said Nancy does. Geez. LOL!

I did ask if the poster thought it was. That's all. Clear now, Dr?


groan.....people simply don't do their homework. Nancy never claimed it was government, in fact she said it was not, is not, paid for by government money or worked at by government employees. Private company, of scared but stingy elitists.

Chalk it up to the debunkers, wheelin' with precision on that one. Right over everyone's head, too. sheesh! "Ma, there's gamblin' goin' on in here!! MAAAAA!!!!"
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Okay. Well, my name's clear from this mess anyway, at least. I never said anything on it either way except to ask what the person believed, who said it here.

As to precision of key issues and relative weight, no -- it's not a strong point here.

Photo fakery demands interviews of all survivors, and checks into all names. Some might clear -- the ones with more questionable fakery -- but some are clearly faked photos.

The Colaio brothers are a hoot (so to speak, when we're talking of the lying spooks and their bosses) -- NO tributes except 1, from a friend, in 2003 ... no other tributes for 2 top execs? And no comments from 2003-2009?

NOW there's a back-log provided of "signatories" in their memory. Since 2009 when this comparison went up with the screen shot.

:P

“THE COLAIO BROTHERS”
Then there is the extraordinary story of the "COLAIO brothers". Both were purportedly senior managing directors at Cantor Fitzgerald (which supposedly lost more than 650 of their employees in the twin Towers). Mark and Stephen COLAIO (sadly) share the same, lone personal tribute by their common friend "Desiree". No one else has apparently bothered to comment on their very dramatic deaths - in over 8 years! They also share the same official tribute on LEGACY.COM which goes like this:

"There are countless ways to encapsulate Mark and Stephen Colaio, but the T-shirts do it in three words. The brothers owned matching shirts that they wore every chance they got. On the front was inscribed, "Life Is Good."Mark Colaio was a senior managing director and ran the agency desk at Cantor Fitzgerald, and he recruited his brother to work with him as a broker on the desk."

[link to septemberclues.info]

(Near bottom of page.)

But now it's got the log guest book and a different page style:
[link to www.legacy.com]
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“THE COLAIO BROTHERS”
Then there is the extraordinary story of the "COLAIO brothers". Both were purportedly <bullshit snipped>
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[link to www.downtownexpress.com]

Committee backs street name for Tribeca brothers

By Elizabeth O’Brien

In a reversal of its earlier position on naming streets after 9/11 victims, a Community Board 1 committee voted to co-name the northeast corner of Beach St. for two Tribeca brothers who died in the collapse of the World Trade Center.

Mark and Stephen Colaio, third-generation Downtowners, worked together at Cantor Fitzgerald and lived close to one another in Tribeca. Their sister, Jean Colaio Steinbach, and Mark’s wife, June, appeared before the board on March 4 to request that a street corner where Mark lived at 260 W. Broadway be co-named “Colaio Way.

Co-naming the street for Mark, 34, and Stephen, 32, Colaio would be “a way to keep the memory alive in our community,” said Rick Landman, a board member.

Colaio [said] that Mark was committed to the area and sent his two young children to neighborhood schools. After Sept. 11, 2001, Colaio said, she had opportunities to leave Tribeca but decided to remain with Delaney, now 5, and Joseph, 4.

“I feel very connected to him, staying down here,” Colaio said, her eyes filling with tears.

Colaio also lost her brother, Thomas Pedicini, 30, in the attack on the World Trade Center; Pedicini worked at Cantor Fitzgerald with his brothers-in-law.

“Having heard your presentation, I think every rule is made for exceptions, and I think this is a fitting exception,” said Michael Connolly, a board member.

The room erupted into applause, led by friends and family of Colaio and Steinbach, when board members voted to co-name the northeast corner of Beach St. “Colaio Way.

Steinbach said the decision meant a lot to her parents, Victor and Mary Colaio of Battery Park City; Steinbach said her father was not well enough to attend the meeting himself.

Several days after the meeting, Steinbach said her parents were touched that the board approved a tribute to their sons: “They were ecstatic.”

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the two top-end brothers who have one friend's brief comment and were supposed to have been in charge of 650 people, but no-one's mentioned them again.

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You're wrong.

I just proved you're wrong.

Here you go, asshole. Are these "morphed" pictures planted by "shills"?


[link to www.tribecatrib.com]
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Champagne? I have a Paypal. Why not send me money. I'll guarantee it'll get to the "Colaio" brothers memorial fund for you ... it's called Spook Partay! They'll enjoy it for the Colaios.
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[link to www.tribecatrib.com]
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the two top-end brothers who have one friend's brief comment and were supposed to have been in charge of 650 people, but no-one's mentioned them again.



You're wrong.

I just proved you're wrong.

Here you go, asshole. Are these "morphed" pictures planted by "shills"?


[link to www.tribecatrib.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 969583


First of all,

I never said they didn't have a newspaper mention. The meeting and street name change could have not happened, or have happened with new recruits to the company caught up in mourning for a sim.

Second, these are "family members" and in a memorial non-commented-upon bio, from 2003-2009 (and only 1 in that whole period), these family members would most likely be plants. Hey, look at the faces in the portrait the old people ("grandparents") are holding: pasted faces. Can't you tell?

Anyway,

I was talking of how implausible the fact is that for 2 high execs UNTIL 2009 THERE WERE NO COMMENTS ON THIER MEMORIAL, EXCEPT 1 FROM "A FRIEND NAMED DESIREE" ON EITHER ONE, and it was left in 2003.

All the rest on their memorial were planted after 2009, after the exposure of the obviousness of this one. Many sims still don't have anything.

This article was part of the simulation in 2004 -- but no comments from anyone in their guest book, none, except the one from 2003.

Until now. Now they have a back history on the memorial site.

A newspaper article as proof is insufficient WHEN THERE'S FAKERY AND IMPLAUSIBILITY IN THEIR "MEMORIAL" IDENTITY.


Look, DEAR person, there are too many problems with these simulation people. You can tell. If you want to really interview families, whole schools, and so on, be my guest.

The photos are fake. HUNDREDS of identities were missing any comments. The rest have a few news stories (like these guys) to make it seem real, but no comments except 1 (?) for big shots? -- until now; now these ones do -- and finally very few have actual families doing the circuit for these false photos.

Wake up to the levels of the deceptions. They've got ya by the you-know-whats.

Some people WANT WAR and think it's cool to be a spook.
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Where is Returner?

Now *I*'m curious if he forgot us, not the other way around. :)

lol

Fell off a turret at Neuschwanstein?

:(
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Every day without ZetaTalk is a great one!

hf
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I never said they didn't have a newspaper mention. The meeting and street name change could have not happened, or have happened with new recruits to the company caught up in mourning for a sim.
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F'ing Canuck douchebag weasel---here's EXACTLY what you said:

the two top-end brothers who have one friend's brief comment and were supposed to have been in charge of 650 people, but no-one's mentioned them again.
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I don't know how you do it in Moose Piss Acres but I guarantee you that in Manhattan they wouldn't have changed the name of this street if the people involved weren't well known.
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The Moon DOES rotate; I always said it did relative to the Sun. Yikes! You really mix apples and oranges and continue mistakes long after they're cleared up.


26th repeat, just for consistancy sake...

You claim that all the 'confusion' was due to the fact that Nancy doesn't know that the Moon orbits Earth, yet her position that Newton doesn't properly explain the Lunar orbit show that she DOES know that the Moon orbits Earth.

Let's see if you ignore this for the 26th time. This, for the WIN!

You are so into winners and losers. Sad.

Anyway, I have been posting a lot and probably missed some comment by you in that whole.

YOU said she didn't understand it even orbits, at one point.
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That's just silly. How could she make a claim concerning the specifics of the Lunar orbit, yet now know one exists?

YOU corrected that later and I replied.
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Any such verbage is moot. Nancy knows the Moon orbits Earth, contraty to your position.

She does not understand how that works (that there is rotation and tidal lock, though she knows the latter term but thinks it glues the Moon to one place).
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Irrelevant. You claimed she didn't know that the Moon orbits Earth.

So ... for you, since YOU are confused here on this Nancy issue:

She thinks it orbits but without rotation at any level of explaining the motion (superposition). She also seems not to know it orbits with progression (27.32166 days).
 Quoting: mclarek 986233


Excuse me?? Now you just blithely reverse your claim to say that Nancy DOES know the Moon orbits Earth? Do you have NO intellectual shame?

She thinks tidal lock holds it in place over the Earth, or something like that.


She also -- and this was MY point all along which you still don't understand -- doesn't understand that the Moon can rotate at the level of the relative motion forward around the Sun. It re-orients itself to the Earth, at that level of understanding the motions; it thus is turning, rotating as it makes a sine wave. At our level, though -- not just our VIEW but -- if you consider the Sun and Earth fixed in place, the Moon shows no rotation but a revolution of Earth. I mean, not just that the Earth sees it that way, but in our UNDERSTANDING (superposition) of current motion, when eliminating MENTALLY the complications of motion around the Sun, the Moon shows an orbit of us, a revolution, no rotation.
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I don't think YOU even know what you just said. You just string words together so that it seems like you are sayimg something. Why would you go through such gyrations to say that the Moon orbits Earth over the same time that it rotates?


The latter is what's confusing Nancy, and why she thinks tidal lock "makes" the Moon face us "without any revolution".
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Why are you explaining that to me? It is obvious that Nancy refuses to see the simple reality ONLY because she would have to admit error on the part of "Zetas".

I win. Satisfied, Menow? Now get off that. It's boring because a) we HAVE been over that, and b) Nancy's intent is to prophesy, not understand all motions. (Yes, prophesy -- pronounced "PRO-feh-sigh" -- is the verb, and prophecy -- pronounced "PRO-feh-see" -- is the noun).

The only reason her understanding of the Moon is or is not important, is to explain why she has to be wrong that the Moon is out of synch, or to correct her on what would happen to the Moon if the Earth were grabbed and torqued by something with a strong magneto-gravitic pull or magnetic push.

So, for the "WIN" I've replied, and I win. Why? Because I don't care to.
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Fascinating.
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That should have been:

That's just silly. How could she make a claim concerning the specifics of the Lunar orbit, yet NOT know one exists?
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Clunk busted AGAIN!


BTW, guess who's resurfaced with the Ningcompoops - GRANT!

[link to poleshift.ning.com]

Dbincat
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Is it possible to have an IQ in negative numbers?
non sufficit Orbis

Being a zetatard means never having to make sense.

"Nancy pays me to post on Her threads"

Free Store admits to being a paid zetadrool shill

NO max/bridget EVER!!!!!
NO luser EVER!!!
NO clunker EVER!!!!!
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I never said they didn't have a newspaper mention. The meeting and street name change could have not happened, or have happened with new recruits to the company caught up in mourning for a sim.


F'ing Canuck douchebag weasel---here's EXACTLY what you said:


the two top-end brothers who have one friend's brief comment and were supposed to have been in charge of 650 people, but no-one's mentioned them again.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 969583

Hold your horses. You did nothing wrong, nor did I. I am not attacking you or weaseling. Nor should you assume I am.

Thank you for finding the article. I had seen that but forgotten and the second comment I made was intended to say I meant it didn't matter about the newspaper. Don't you see that it doesn't matter?

I MEANT the context of the memorial. BUT IT ISN'T IMPORTANT IF THEY HAD A NEWSPAPER MENTION or 100.

A) Newspaper mentions can be hoaxed. What shows the simulation is: THERE WEREN'T ANY MENTIONS BUT ONE ON THE MEMORIAL for such "important" guys?! From 2003-2009 -- no updates after 2003 and guess what, ONE mention at that, from the SAME simulated commenter, "friend Desiree"?

B) To figure this one out you have to LOOK AT THE IMAGES FOR HOAXING or at any LACK OF PROBABLE MENTIONS for personas you'd expect there to be lots for.

Look at the IMPROBABILITIES.

WHY no mention on the memorial from 2003-2009 ... EVEN IF THEY HAD MULTIPLE NEWS ARTICLES (which they don't: 2 is it?)? AND only ONE hello, as it is, on the memorial from 2003-2009? (Indeed, to fix the improbability, now there are mentions in a guest log going back all the way.)

And HUNDREDS OF OTHER VICTIMS WITH NO COMMENTS, missed pages, un-fixed photos (baaad shots), and then the morphs and ... lastly, our clear cut-and-paste people?

The point is, there are too many improbabilities and impossibilities about the whole thing.

GET that? I hope you DO. We need more people awake to the fraud. :)
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That should have been:

That's just silly. How could she make a claim concerning the specifics of the Lunar orbit, yet NOT know one exists?
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Menow, you do have a way of mincing words and comments.

She knows it "goes round"; most people think of that as an orbit. She didn't understand -- if I recall correctly from the day you went at her -- about the 27.3 day actual progression, true orbit. I got that impression. You were taunting her for that, if I recall.

Nor, like most people, does she actually image it from the next layer of understanding, where rotation along a sine wave, not revolution, is knowable in the Moon's motion.

Don't be such a clunker -- to use it appropriately here -- you really are silly to pick things apart for no purpose. When you do so. Which is often.

I seem to recall she didn't know about the orbital independence for the Moon -- that's what I meant. I know for sure she seems to talk like tidal lock "locks the face in place" AND doesn't know that it in fact is still rotating.

So, whatever the case, even if she does know about the timing of the orbit itself, the key issue is she doesn't understand how that translates to rotation, in the Sun's view (and the corresponding superposition, i.e., layers of views to account for observable motions).

That's all.
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I don't know how you do it in Moose Piss Acres but I guarantee you that in Manhattan they wouldn't have changed the name of this street if the people involved weren't well known.
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I never said they couldn't mount a street name event.

I said they might have. I haven't been there so I don't know.

What I'm saying is, it's about a lie. I even said the newspaper story could be about a real event.

You people are picking at straws.

Two execs have ONE friend commenting on them AT ALL before 2009; and it was last updated in 2003.

Plus, HUNDREDS of uncommented-on identities; plus flip-flop faces; plus morph men and many missing SSDIs.


So, as PART of that picture, Colaios are one that got a street named after them, but still no updates on their memorial log book from ANYONE --

and now they have a back story in the log book.

How convenient.

:)

Once people buy the "identity" and the 9/11 myth, of course there will be the odd street named after them. We have a "Highway of Heroes" outside Toronto. Did I ask for that? :))
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Every day without ZetaTalk is a great one!

You'd think there would be more of an outcry on GLP with
her leaving but hardly anyone has taken notice. So much
for her claims of popularity.
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Hm. They probably moved with her, for that part of their week. However, you would think there would be "miss ya" GLP threads. But then again, maybe they come here for other things and go there for Nancy stuff.

??
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Why would you go through such gyrations to say that the Moon orbits Earth over the same time that it rotates?
 Quoting: Menow 992236

Actually, Menow, that's NOT what I was saying.

It doesn't rotate when it's considered as revolving around the Earth; and it doesn't revolve around the Earth when it's considered as rotating.

This is what -- it seems -- you didn't ever understand.

Physically stopping the Moon around the Sun (as you pointed out) would be different, for the force relationships would change and the tidal relationship would change and the Moon would rotate in our view, but ...

CONSIDERING the layers of motion relationships (superposition) of CURRENT motion, merely eliminates each type of effect -- to understand, separate each one. The TOTALITY is what's going on in fact, but each layer is the understanding of a new relative motion.

In this sense, each layer is not merely viewpoint but it may relate to what each view will tell you. For instance, we see one face of the Moon. But there's a reason: if the Sun and Earth are considered as fixed points, then revolution is what the Moon exhibits, from any viewpoint, not just the Earth's. :)

But if we consider the E-M system going forward, relative to the Sun, then from all points except from the Earth, the Moon will show a sine wave and turning (rotating).

So, the Moon doesn't rotate as it orbits, not technically. It rotates OR orbits ... both are accurate but they are different understandings.

Which is "the truth"? Nonsensical question: both are true but referring to different levels of superposition.
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Why would you go through such gyrations to say that the Moon orbits Earth over the same time that it rotates?
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Hi, Menow, but since you said over the same time you have worked in the forward motion around the Sun -- that is the superposition you are referring to -- and in doing so, you are correct. You are integrating the two superposition layers by saying over the same time.

You're implying the sine wave around the Sun with the rotation along it, but use the term revolution/orbit instead, which is the picture from Earth.

Well done! Nice integration in one sentence. As long as you know it "really" isn't "doing both" -- what you refer to as "real" motion depends on which layer of superposition you are talking from. You integrated them by equivocating the layers of reality, with that sneaky, but true, phrase "over time". You are really implying one layer of understanding -- the foward E-M system orbit around the Sun -- but then use the term "orbit" which is another layer of understanding: the Moon's motion "around" the Earth barycentre as if it's a fixed point, NOT moving forward around the Sun.

It is "in time," but it is not about the system moving forward, which your phrase implies without specifying.

Have a good night. :)
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That simply doesn't tally with my experience. By far the majority of people on GLP think Nancy is a delusional nut-case. The so-called 'debunkers' have been right every time, and Nancy has never been.

You are either a pathological liar or completely out of touch with reality.
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Well- I can say that 4745 will go far...
Didn't take you long to figure one of the nameless ones out at all.
Congrads on your powers of observation
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Clunk busted AGAIN!


BTW, guess who's resurfaced with the Ningcompoops - GRANT!

[link to poleshift.ning.com]

:Dbincat:
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OUCH- that will be interesting, last time they were around together they didn't seem to be on very good speaking terms at all

(I'd forgotten about the grant chronicles- haven't been there for ages...)
have to have a wander over and see if he has added anything of interest...
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That should have been:

That's just silly. How could she make a claim concerning the specifics of the Lunar orbit, yet NOT know one exists?

Menow, you do have a way of mincing words and comments.

She knows it "goes round"; most people think of that as an orbit. She didn't understand -- if I recall correctly from the day you went at her -- about the 27.3 day actual progression, true orbit. I got that impression. You were taunting her for that, if I recall.

Nor, like most people, does she actually image it from the next layer of understanding, where rotation along a sine wave, not revolution, is knowable in the Moon's motion.
 Quoting: mclarek 986233



Why must you constantly digress into his unnececary 'sine wave' confusion? It adds absolutely nothing to any understanding.

As I already said, the number of things Nancy 'doesn't understand' about astronomy could fill several libraries, so why are YOU stubbornly fixated on backing her position on ANY of this? Nancy is wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong on EVERYTHING she says about things astronomical. What is YOUR point in ignoring that glaring fact and thinking she has ANYTHING of value to offer in that area?

Don't be such a clunker -- to use it appropriately here -- you really are silly to pick things apart for no purpose. When you do so. Which is often.

I seem to recall she didn't know about the orbital independence for the Moon -- that's what I meant. I know for sure she seems to talk like tidal lock "locks the face in place" AND doesn't know that it in fact is still rotating.
 Quoting: mclarek 986233


Well DUH! Why are you telling me this as if it is news?

So, whatever the case, even if she does know about the timing of the orbit itself, the key issue is she doesn't understand how that translates to rotation, in the Sun's view (and the corresponding superposition, i.e., layers of views to account for observable motions).

That's all.
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What's 'all' is that you made a big deal out of telling me that I didn't understand that Nancy didn't know that the Moon orbits Earth, when she HAS to know that, and how that somehow proved YOU RIGHT. It's all waaaayyy out of context now, and I only brought it up again because of the absurd number of times I had posted it to you with NO response from you about it.
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It's all waaaayyy out of context now, and I only brought it up again because of the absurd number of times I had posted it to you with NO response from you about it.
 Quoting: Menow 992236

I was wondering why you brought this up again.

Anyway, done, then.

Good.

Not sure if Nancy made that error now, but thought she did b/c you went on about her not understanding the orbit properly, and the numbers of days.

But hey, whatever.

The main point IS the sine wave -- because that shows that at the level of understanding rotation, there is no orbit circle. A lot of people still picture a circle for the Moon around the Earth. They don't actually understand rotation along the sine wave. They need to see that drawn, to understand there's rotation, not revolution -- or revolution (when stopped forward).

That would help you explain it to others who have the visual wrong.

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Why would you go through such gyrations to say that the Moon orbits Earth over the same time that it rotates?

Actually, Menow, that's NOT what I was saying.

It doesn't rotate when it's considered as revolving around the Earth; and it doesn't revolve around the Earth when it's considered as rotating.

This is what -- it seems -- you didn't ever understand.
 Quoting: mclarek 986233


You mean, that no one else has been pounded into submission by you into accepting that convoluted nonsense. Why, after being so blatantly wrong in your understanding of such motions(the Moon will move in ever widening circles if released from Earth orbit), to you have the temerity to believe that YOU need to explain these things to me?

Physically stopping the Moon around the Sun (as you pointed out) would be different, for the force relationships would change and the tidal relationship would change and the Moon would rotate in our view, but ...
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Huh? MUST you continue to mangle this expanation over and over and over again?

CONSIDERING the layers of motion relationships (superposition) of CURRENT motion, merely eliminates each type of effect -- to understand, separate each one. The TOTALITY is what's going on in fact, but each layer is the understanding of a new relative motion.
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Obsess much, Clare?

In this sense, each layer is not merely viewpoint but it may relate to what each view will tell you. For instance, we see one face of the Moon. But there's a reason: if the Sun and Earth are considered as fixed points, then revolution is what the Moon exhibits, from any viewpoint, not just the Earth's. :)
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Do you realize that when you ramble on like this, that NO ONE BUT YOU has the slightest idea what you are talking about?


But if we consider the E-M system going forward, relative to the Sun, then from all points except from the Earth, the Moon will show a sine wave and turning (rotating).
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See above.

So, the Moon doesn't rotate as it orbits, not technically.
 Quoting: mclarek 986233


Is that so... According to you and Einstein, I suppose?

It rotates OR orbits ... both are accurate but they are different understandings.
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Only in the depths of your obsessive mind, Clare.

Which is "the truth"? Nonsensical question: both are true but referring to different levels of superposition.
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It's really quite simple, Clare. The Moon rotates. Nancy and "Zetas" claim it does not. She is deluded and 'they' are lying.

So what other astronomical claims of Nancy's would you like to try to defend?
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I've decided to stop wasting time with her. She has an excuse
for everything, and is incapable of giving short simple answers
to basic questions. It's a game to her, but she doesn't have
to go away. I'm glad she's bumping this thread and pushing it
closer to 1,000 as I predicted it would reach.



One must also question whether or not a Formosa action would not be appropriate for the clunker.

She certainly seems to have more problems than she can handle.
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I'll never respond to her again. I mean it sincerely when I say she's probably the single most abominable, pathetic human being I've ever encountered on the internet.

To say the things she does about dead kids and their family members....

I take joy in the likelihood that in real-life "mclarek" probably lives a rather sheltered, lonely existence. And not as a result of her own choice.

This would go a long way towards explaining her lack of empathy as well as her lack of insight into human nature.

I think I recall reading earlier she claims to be some kind of "artist"? It was someone else speaking about her so I don't know if it's true. If it is though I giggle/shudder at the thought of what pitiful work could possibly be produced by an individual with such a primitive, base (mis?)understanding of human nature.

Wouldn't it be amusing to sponser an all-expenses-paid trip for "mclarek" to attend a 9/11-memorial? Specifically one Wianno's people would be attending also?

Don't tell me that poor girl's family wouldn't love to knock "mclarek's" front teeth out.

Not that I would ever endorse physical violence (I don't) but let's give "mclarek" the oppertunity to put her money where her mouth is.

(what's hillarious is that "mclarek" claims that Wianno's friends from high school/college are "probably" all fake but can't produce ANY evidence they are. I suspect this is because she knows in her heart the consequences of investigating these "notions" of hers...)

Although honestly I'm sure the worst "mclarek" would have to suffer would be a humbling verbal/emotional assault at the hands of justifiably mad-as-hell 9/11 family members.

So be it. As long as "mclarek" suffers.
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Why would you go through such gyrations to say that the Moon orbits Earth over the same time that it rotates?


Hi, Menow, but since you said over the same time you have worked in the forward motion around the Sun
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No, I have not. It is not necessary to worry about that motion to explain that the Moon rotates over the same time as it orbits Earth. You are obsessing on unneeded minutia.. again.

-- that is the superposition you are referring to -- and in doing so, you are correct. You are integrating the two superposition layers by saying over the same time.
 Quoting: mclarek 986233


I did no such thing.

You're implying the sine wave around the Sun with the rotation along it, but use the term revolution/orbit instead, which is the picture from Earth.
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Please never say 'sine wave' again when talking about Lunar orbit for the rest of your life. Please.

Well done! Nice integration in one sentence. As long as you know it "really" isn't "doing both" -- what you refer to as "real" motion depends on which layer of superposition you are talking from. You integrated them by equivocating the layers of reality, with that sneaky, but true, phrase "over time". You are really implying one layer of understanding -- the foward E-M system orbit around the Sun -- but then use the term "orbit" which is another layer of understanding: the Moon's motion "around" the Earth barycentre as if it's a fixed point, NOT moving forward around the Sun.

It is "in time," but it is not about the system moving forward, which your phrase implies without specifying.

Have a good night. :)
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You need drugs to sleep, right?
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To say the things she does about dead kids and their family members....

 Quoting: "...Sing, I'll sway.


You don't know they're dead. Don't be like a villager who refuses to let the DA suspect the nicest person of a murder ... when they have evidence of forgery by them.

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It's all waaaayyy out of context now, and I only brought it up again because of the absurd number of times I had posted it to you with NO response from you about it.

I was wondering why you brought this up again.

Anyway, done, then.

Good.

Not sure if Nancy made that error now, but thought she did b/c you went on about her not understanding the orbit properly, and the numbers of days.

But hey, whatever.

The main point IS the sine wave -- because that shows that at the level of understanding rotation, there is no orbit circle. A lot of people still picture a circle for the Moon around the Earth. They don't actually understand rotation along the sine wave. They need to see that drawn, to understand there's rotation, not revolution -- or revolution (when stopped forward).

That would help you explain it to others who have the visual wrong.

:)
 Quoting: mclarek 986233


The 'sine wave' is NOT helpfull in understanding this. Please stop talking about it. The fact that Earth and Moon are orbiting the Sun means NOTHING to the fact that the Moon orbits Earth once for each rotation of the Moon.
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 Quoting: Menow 995235


Then don't understand why someone would need to hear it's a sine wave with rotation.

Up to you.

It would help many, in order to properly understand how there can be rotation not revolution with multiple sides facing the Sun.

The latter method, which your pig-headed method of describing it would try, would show the revolution and then say "that's a rotation" but you are not properly describing it because it's only from the stopped superposition that the Moon revolves, i.e., where the E-M system is considered stopped relative to the Sun.

If considered as if moving in orbit of the Sun, the Moon ROTATES properly visibly, and does NOT revolve around the Earth in its circle.

You are conflating superpositions, still.

But so be it.

:)





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