Now shall we move on to the Apollo hoax photos and LM impossible landing (bottom jets can't do what LM was supposed to have done via photos and subsequent NASA claims), the sinking of the Lusitania (they knew), or JFK, or Oklahoma City or London or Madrid bombings, or something in the further past: Guy Fawkes?

How about Mena Arkansas and Iran-Contra?

No, not all suspected hoaxes/frauds/false flags/conspiracies of whatever kind are in fact such things. THESE are. And many many more.

So, now you know why I LISTEN to the hypotheses and their purported evidence and follow it with KINDNESS, in CASE the evidence can't be co-incidental (in part or in combination -- the latter of which some of you miss).

Nancy Lieder may be a prophet with visions or may not be. However, SOME of the effects she posits -- elecromagnetism linking to gravitic effects -- are ONLY unofficial but have to be basically true, as implied by Einstein's work on Unified Field (originally called "ether" but in a more mechanical and therefore wrong application), for that suggests vortices *create* energy effects in our universe. Russians have been working on this, too.

So, even if wrong about one thing, a person could be right about another, EVEN by CHANCE. So to dismiss the whole person (ad hominem fallacy) is dangerous for truth.

Also, to dismiss an idea as woo-woo OFF HAND is really dangerous.

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SO, yes I have an open mind; but it is not mush. You confuse the two and that's unscientific. Now, Lear is a perfect example of a person who mistakes gold for false gold, but he also knows some real gold. Air pressure and engines. No-one refuted that; you just averted your attention.

WAKE UP FOR YOUR OWN SAKE -- not my ego -- and stop saying I am stupid. If you don't mind. ;)