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BTW, I am now actually waiting to see if they pick up on those who mention that they pray. Next thing you know, they will be banning members for mentioning the word PRAY. Now that is also a threat to their zeta religion! rofl!
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From the ning:

Only SOME of the simulation of planetary positions has been loosened, per ZetaTalk, and tilting the globe for winter/summer is continuing as before. Being in the August position just means that Earth has been pushed back in her obit to this position, where she normally would be for August. You'd be having June weather even if she were in the October orbit position, for instance, because benign aliens would be tilting the globe to simulate that season/month.

ROFLMAO. How come the constellations I see are in the "June" position? How about those eclipses this month? Nancy will never give up! HAHA
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From the ning:

Only SOME of the simulation of planetary positions has been loosened, per ZetaTalk, and tilting the globe for winter/summer is continuing as before. Being in the August position just means that Earth has been pushed back in her obit to this position, where she normally would be for August. You'd be having June weather even if she were in the October orbit position, for instance, because benign aliens would be tilting the globe to simulate that season/month.

ROFLMAO. How come the constellations I see are in the "June" position? How about those eclipses this month? Nancy will never give up! HAHA
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Once Nancy got them to accept that things are being simulated, there is nothing else to argue. It doesn't matter what you show them. They will say it is only being simulated.

What can you say to someone who believes that Earth is being tilted enough to create summer during winter? They can no longer be reached with any common sense at all.
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Once Nancy got them to accept that things are being simulated, there is nothing else to argue. It doesn't matter what you show them. They will say it is only being simulated.

What can you say to someone who believes that Earth is being tilted enough to create summer during winter? They can no longer be reached with any common sense at all.
 Quoting: Menow 1003573

AHHA
now I see where our `let it swing free' ukranian friend got confuzzled
when nancy said simulated, he thought she said sTimulated...

another zeta mystery cleared up..
(now who's going to explain the difference to randy andy?)
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Oh, now I see the whole "tilt" thing - summer to winter! I wasn't paying enough attention and just thought the tilt was regarding the "ecliptic thing".

Anyway, here's a stimulating thought - maybe the Zetas are responsible for America's obesity epidemic, too. I see sinister implications involved. I'm reminded of a quote from a Twilight Zone episode from 1962:

Mr. Chambers! Don't get on that ship! The rest of the book, "To Serve Man", it's... it's a cookbook!

They've already started with Nancy.

tard




Hey, I just noticed! There aren't any fatso emoticons! The above 'tard is the closest to being a fattie. Geez, we got druggies, alkies, politicians, possessed people . . . why no fatties???
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ugg

the nings chief spammer (sorry- poster of vital information)

is up to her usual `high' standards for media releases

[link to www.wnd.com]

yup because world net daily is such a world leader in accurate reporting...

they went from a NASA report that the sun is `waking up' (well overdue true but its a cycle of approximately 11 years- this time it went a little longer)

from that they went to a `self referenced' older article about death and disaster when the next solar flare hits (it didn't) and from there went onto its `THE DOOM' and we should all prepare to meet our maker, or have lots of panic sex depending on your beliefs....


a look at the original release from NASA shows that they do have some concerns- the one satellite that does give us warning (so the tv and phone people can protect their expensive and kinda `hard to fix' equipement by turning it off briefly as the flares peak, was launched in 1997 and they are kinda worried that they cant get the money to replace it cause thats not `sexy' like men on mars etc etc

considering it's age (many people dont have a car that old) its understandable that NASA is worried about ACE continuing to function (how many people have a 13 year old car they have never had anything done to it ever??) and as it is atm the only one that can forcast `dangerous' flares, its quite understandable that Mr Bogdan is trying to get extra $$ to replace it with a slightly `newer' version

despite the impression the nings have that NASA gets bucketloads of money for everything under the sun (roving gangs of hitmen cost you know... and then there is the `paid' debunkers that are expecting their paycheck each week....

money these days seems to be getting hard to find in real life at NASA

it wasn't long ago that they seriously considered shutting down the `ears' to the voyager's- because it cost them 2 million a year to listen to them

its not like they are still sending back data about the least known areas of our solar system or anything...

now THATS scary...
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sorry forgot to link back to the original
[link to poleshift.ning.com]

NASA: Cosmic Superstorm More Crippling Than 20 Katrinas

Gotta get those shore stories in place before the shift hits the fan. "It's the sun, stupid!"




so its gone from a NASA spokesman (quite obviously IMHO) pushing for further funding to replace an 15 yr old satellite to `more crippling than 20 Katrinas'
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I found it interesting that gerald made an appearence again after a long absence and set up the ning for her, and he seems to be taking a fairly major part in the zetabable threads as well, providing `answers' with nancy rarelt contradicting him (unlike most others that attempt to tread `her' turf...)

is he being `groomed' as the new zetababble spokesman???
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She's managing to piss off a lot of people on the ning by banning things such as mentioning God or any other spiritual talk. It is as if they treat the zetas like a diety. rofl

All along we have been saying that this is a religion to most
of them - what few followers she has left. No matter how often
she fails now they will continue to believe because of all the
emotional investments they have made in believing her. I don't
think this is a cult (other than a failed cult) but this is a
belief system for many of them. They can't conceive of life
without Zetatalk. I suspect that if (and I do not wish this)
something were to happen to Nancy who isn't in the best of
health and is in her latter years they might end up doing harm
to themselves if they can't find a suitable replacement.
 Quoting: DrPostman

I am sure there are hundreds of charlatans that would be happy to fill the gap. I notice that her senior kooks answer questions for her. Perhaps they are preparing to lead the flock of chicken littles should Nancy retire or be beamed up to be with her beloved Zetas.
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Another guy on the ning perfectly illustrates the ignorance of your average Zeta follower (or maybe he is a debunker setting a trap). According to the poster, last winter he could see Orion, but now he can't - proof that things are not normal Of course Nancy agrees that this is evidence of the coming pole shift and passage of planet x. Hilarious stuff!
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Another guy on the ning perfectly illustrates the ignorance of your average Zeta follower (or maybe he is a debunker setting a trap). According to the poster, last winter he could see Orion, but now he can't - proof that things are not normal Of course Nancy agrees that this is evidence of the coming pole shift and passage of planet x. Hilarious stuff!
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ummm where to start??
;-)
even tho its envidence of the NON stoppage of the earths orbit...
























SWOOOOOSHHHHHH..............



















about how far that went above nancys head...
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She's managing to piss off a lot of people on the ning by banning things such as mentioning God or any other spiritual talk. It is as if they treat the zetas like a diety. rofl

All along we have been saying that this is a religion to most
of them - what few followers she has left. No matter how often
she fails now they will continue to believe because of all the
emotional investments they have made in believing her. I don't
think this is a cult (other than a failed cult) but this is a
belief system for many of them. They can't conceive of life
without Zetatalk. I suspect that if (and I do not wish this)
something were to happen to Nancy who isn't in the best of
health and is in her latter years they might end up doing harm
to themselves if they can't find a suitable replacement.
 Quoting: DrPostman

Do you think they are that crazed . . . I only found out about her less than a year ago . . . I guess those of you who have followed her nutty stuff for years have better judgment about that!
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

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Do you think they are that crazed . . . I only found out about her less than a year ago . . . I guess those of you who have followed her nutty stuff for years have better judgment about that!
 Quoting: George B

i was around for the 2003 `end of the world' sorry white lie

there were people leaving their `crazy' families to go to safe spots, there is the well documented group that decided to build a bunker in a state forrest- containers, backhoes,dozers etc etc
funnily enough when they got busted destroying a national park as they are called over here- their excuse that they shouldnt be charged because `in may the world was going to end' didnt get them off

there was rumours of a suicide although I havent seen any personal evidence- I think that one of the other registered people here may know more about that than me
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Do you think they are that crazed . . . I only found out about her less than a year ago . . . I guess those of you who have followed her nutty stuff for years have better judgment about that!

i was around for the 2003 `end of the world' sorry white lie

there were people leaving their `crazy' families to go to safe spots, there is the well documented group that decided to build a bunker in a state forrest- containers, backhoes,dozers etc etc
funnily enough when they got busted destroying a national park as they are called over here- their excuse that they shouldnt be charged because `in may the world was going to end' didnt get them off

there was rumours of a suicide although I havent seen any personal evidence- I think that one of the other registered people here may know more about that than me
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Wow! That is just too bazaar . . .. . .
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

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I know i was on glp when the venus transit happened/didnt/ did but only because of the kindly zetas moving venus and earth into the right spot....

I was the sydney guy in his uncles backyard with the laptop and the binoculars with the sunnies stuck to them with an elastic band....


(and no I didnt look at the sun with that rig- i'm not a zetatard LOL)
I used them to project an image on a sheet of paper so I could see it safely....

as nancy was saying it wasnt going to happen, it was all nasa lies and they were silencing the worlds astronomers (that was the original excuse- she was THAT sure of her fantasy that even as it happened she was shaking her head going `nope, nope it isnt and if you say so you are a shill/nasa paid agent' and that they were `doing' something to every telescope in the world so that they were showing `the nasa lies'

I think at the time I actually posted that I found it `unlikely' that the nasa spooks had snuck into my uncles house and found the binoculars in the back of the video unit behind the tapes and `fixed' them so I would see the transit happen- just as had been predicted it would

that was around the time of the earth stopped in orbit stuff, because nancy was determined that that transit
would
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Yeah, I know of someone who was a believer in 2003 that took his own life. I am not saying Nancy is solely to blame. He had issues before he discovered Nancy. The failed pole shift of 2003 only added to severe depression and we suspect a drug problem too. He abandoned his wife and kid to live in the mountains, because the wife refused to go with him. When someone as vulnerable and unstable as he was finds hope in a pole shift, changes his life to prepare for it, and then the pole shift fails to happen, it can only make an already unbalanced person more depressed and desperate.
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there was the ones in the states that decided to bury (from memory) 2containers and a school bus??? to make a bunker to save them from the 2003 end of the world

and there was the ones in japan that had the japanese cops following them- they wrapped their camp in cotton every night to stop the cops mindraying them, they were zeta followers as well
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She's managing to piss off a lot of people on the ning by banning things such as mentioning God or any other spiritual talk. It is as if they treat the zetas like a diety. rofl

All along we have been saying that this is a religion to most
of them - what few followers she has left. No matter how often
she fails now they will continue to believe because of all the
emotional investments they have made in believing her. I don't
think this is a cult (other than a failed cult) but this is a
belief system for many of them. They can't conceive of life
without Zetatalk. I suspect that if (and I do not wish this)
something were to happen to Nancy who isn't in the best of
health and is in her latter years they might end up doing harm
to themselves if they can't find a suitable replacement.

Do you think they are that crazed . . . I only found out about her less than a year ago . . . I guess those of you who have followed her nutty stuff for years have better judgment about that!
 Quoting: George B


Yeah, Goerge, me too! I only discovered this forum a few months ago. And I saw her weekly chat. And I even asked her a couple of questions! I wasn't all that serious about it, just saw someone answering questions with "voodoo" and thought I'd have some fun with a couple of questions.

I did see a lot of people picking on her and I kind of wondered what was up with that. But I didn't go look at her site or anything, it just wasn't something I really cared to investigate. She did answer one of the questions once, but it was obvious from the answer that she didn't understand the question and the answer was kind of rude, too. I began my question with a remark about the sun's activity and she began her answer with something like: "who have you been listening to, NASA?"

That was before I knew about the wobble, stalled orbit, planets being moved around like chess pieces, etc. So I'm a bit embarrassed to be on one of her question answering threads, but it was nothing to me at the time.

I also don't know any "channelers" personally, so I don't have much of an opinion on that one way or the other, but if Nancy is channeling something, I think it's likely to be some discarnate being with nothing better to do than fuck with her. I have since looked at the zeta talk site, but it's like mclarek, with long sentences that just aren't rational - making huge claims about planets and such being moved around and holographic images being beamed at us just like the goddamn matrix. It's beyond kooky, it's "I have no excitement in my life, lemme get with these guys . . . "

My dad told me something his brother told him a long time ago. My uncle was head of a school in Italy. And he knew these people who were convinced the world was going to end. I don't remember what year this was, it was way before 2000. And they sold everything, cashed in pensions, etc. and moved up into the mountains to wait for the final moment. My uncle was trying to convince the guy not to get rid of everything in case he was wrong, but the nutball was headstrong and went through with it. And that's all I know about what happened.

So, apparently, this is some sort of looniness that just overtakes certain people at some point in their lives. I remember hearing about Nancy telling people to kill their pets but I was too chicken to pursue that avenue and read that story. I have 7 animals, all strays, and I don't want to read about her killing her puppy or even to think what some of the other feebs might have done. It will make me sick to my stomach. I do, however, fault her for giving the feebs something to focus on that may "break" them. Like that nutball feeb who moved up into the mountains in Italy to wait for the end, and who is still there for all I know; they may not have "broke" if they didn't have someone to egg on their looniness. The Italian nutballs were before Nancy, but they still followed something. I think they were standard bible quote-a-tards.

gotbop
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Wow, I missed a few posts taking my time to write the last one. I had no idea how deep it was, people committing suicide, breaking up families, actually building bunkers . . .

At first, the little bits of looniness here and there seemed somewhat harmless, like her panic thread about Venus being out of place. That was good for a few laughs. But it sounds like she's responsible for some real doom in people's lives. That's not just irresponsible, that's reprehensible.




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My dad told me something his brother told him a long time ago. My uncle was head of a school in Italy. And he knew these people who were convinced the world was going to end. I don't remember what year this was, it was way before 2000. And they sold everything, cashed in pensions, etc. and moved up into the mountains to wait for the final moment. My uncle was trying to convince the guy not to get rid of everything in case he was wrong, but the nutball was headstrong and went through with it. And that's all I know about what happened.

So, apparently, this is some sort of looniness that just overtakes certain people at some point in their lives. I remember hearing about Nancy telling people to kill their pets but I was too chicken to pursue that avenue and read that story. I have 7 animals, all strays, and I don't want to read about her killing her puppy or even to think what some of the other feebs might have done. It will make me sick to my stomach. I do, however, fault her for giving the feebs something to focus on that may "break" them. Like that nutball feeb who moved up into the mountains in Italy to wait for the end, and who is still there for all I know; they may not have "broke" if they didn't have someone to egg on their looniness. The Italian nutballs were before Nancy, but they still followed something. I think they were standard bible quote-a-tards.

gotbop
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The world has ended so many times its not funny...
AND I MISSED THEM ALL!!!

damn I hate sleeping in......


these are the ones I `remember', not an inclusive list- I probably missed quite a few...

1974 jovos first accension..didnt happen
1979? jovos second accesion... didnt happen
1983?? end of the world due to planets lining up
1986?? end of the world due to planets at right angles (jupiter??)
1986?? halleys comet was going to poison the earths atmosphere
1992 the `earth shattering earthquakes' mob
1996?7 the heavens gate mob
1996/7 the japanese mob (they tried to gas people in a japanese subway a bit earlier...cant remember the name)

then came the 2000 epidemic- every man and his dog had a doomsday end of the world cult then- take your pick- it was the end of times (again) for the bible bashers, but if they were wrong, you had the computers becoming aware and taking over the world, or the computers would all crash and so would civilisation...


then there was the 2003 (several times for nancy) dates
may,april,june october and `before december'


sorry for the delay in posting- i went and made a sat morning brunch....
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Wow, I missed a few posts taking my time to write the last one. I had no idea how deep it was, people committing suicide, breaking up families, actually building bunkers . . .

At first, the little bits of looniness here and there seemed somewhat harmless, like her panic thread about Venus being out of place. That was good for a few laughs. But it sounds like she's responsible for some real doom in people's lives. That's not just irresponsible, that's reprehensible.




choler
 Quoting: Catseye 986557

thats one of the reasons that the debunkers follow her (and a few other doomers) around as they swap from site to site

its `amusing' for me and a bit of a laugh (sorry to seem heartless- I dont mean to come across like that) to debunk her and her followers whenever I can

I dont get paid for it (I wish) but I like many of the others do it because we HAVE seen the results of her earlier attempts
I havent made it my lifes work, but I certainly will stand up and say to them - hey look here, its not worth breaking up your family (already several in the ning have said their families dont understand them and they would move to a `safe' area regardless) and it isnt worth killing yourself over

unfortunately it seems that people suffering from depression seem to be an easy target for these cults (and that is what zetababble is IMHO- a pretty much failed and dead in the water one but still a cult)
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Like most new age scamsters, Nancy has gotten more than just adulation out of her Zetatalk enterprise. While I do believe she hasn't earned a penny in many years, back in the beginning, people were donating to her non profit organization and she used that money to renovate her home and property. A lot of those funds were never properly declared or accounted for. I have written her to ask that she provide the financial records of her non profit, which she is required to do, but never heard back from her.

Once she had her home fixed so she could live there, I don't think it's been about the money. I think she craves the feeling of being chosen, she craves the adulation and notoriety. She also likes the feeling of authority that goes with censorship power.


She also used to get invites to do radio shows, including Coast to Coast, but her last interview with Noory was a disaster. She doesn't do well in situations where she can't screen questions or when the host is impartial. George took a lot of flack from listeners for having her on. After this show, Nancy claimed here that she had been banned from C2C because of her stunning "accuracy track record" and the dark forces that conspire to silence her "message".
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Like most new age scamsters, Nancy has gotten more than just adulation out of her Zetatalk enterprise. While I do believe she hasn't earned a penny in many years, back in the beginning, people were donating to her non profit organization
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she had it pretty sweet for a while, look at the chat records that are still online

She also used to get invites to do radio shows, including Coast to Coast, but her last interview with Noory was a disaster. She doesn't do well in situations where she can't screen questions or when the host is impartial. George took a lot of flack from listeners for having her on. After this show, Nancy claimed here that she had been banned from C2C because of her stunning "accuracy track record" and the dark forces that conspire to silence her "message".
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when even the wackos go `o...k.. you are nutz...'

it should be a wakeup call.... nope its all the mysterious `THEM'
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plus many of the `expenses' imho never happened- the tens of thousands on `ham radio gear and training'....

what they said they spent would have been a major (and noticeable) new station - if they actually did buy the gear, they have never used it...

(amatuer radio is a hobby of mine, which is why i sometimes have a sblack when its obvious (to me and any other radio enthusists) she doesnt have a clue about what she is talking about)

I dare say Astronut and the MIA (is he?) `other nasa paid shill' (i just wish I had access to his gear for a visit- maybe one day) have the same urges whenever nancy blunders into something they know about

a kinda `WTF- is she THIS dumb???- followed by much loud laughter, normally followed by demands from partners/neighbours/ people 20 miles away to shut the hell up- because you are laughing that loud....
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sblack
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interesting apparently laughter is also forbidden here ;-)

I used the colloquial word for an amused quiet laughter at anothers expense

starts with s

LOL it picked up on that spelling and substituted `sblack' instead..

which only made it more apparent than ever...

wonder what happens if i start to talk about a town in Austria...

[link to googlesightseeing.com]
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PMSL

from that link (and yes i checked - there IS a town in Haiti called that....)

I would love to actually see that happen IRL....
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I used to read the Mclaraek posts, but not any more, it's just endless trolling of the same old debunked bullshit.
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Not debunked. Show me stuff that's been debunked -- not just claimed to be.

:)
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Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!
Pretty much. In fact, it's very similar to what Max used to do. Just variations of a theme. So, I just scroll on by looking for anything ZetaTalk and "Planet X" related.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


Not debunked. Show me stuff that's been actually debunked.
:)
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06/18/2010 11:45 PM
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Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!
Actually I did say (several billion pages back behind the ccrap)
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Not crap. Show anything important that's been debunked -- actually debunked. :)
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06/18/2010 11:48 PM
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Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!
why use 1 word when 10 thousand will do....

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so there, I am right!!!
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Ah, but when you use a lot of words they make no sense AND have nothing important to say.

Some concepts must be presented fully.

Show me any important material that's worthless and truly debunked.

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