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The same software I use for plate solving will also point out any asteroids or any other transient objects in any of my photographs that are not in the database. The bunkers just don't have any clue how sophistocated normal amateur astronomy is nowdays. They think we're all as ignorant as they are about such things.
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BTW, here's my most recent photo from our last clear sky period a few weekends ago.

[link to www.machunter.org]

That's a gorgeous capture Hap, Sky&Tel worthy imho. The faint extended regions of the nebula you captured are impressive.
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Thanks! It's already gotten a lot of good reviews on the newsgroups. I plan to submit it to Astronomy and S&T.
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Astornut,

I would like your opinion regarding the coordinates we discussed yesterday. An individual claims that they used an IR capable camera and recorded an object at the coordinates RA: 6h 42m 8.44s, Dec: 41 40' 18.94" on 20 March 2010 from a location in southern Michigan. He later recorded an identical or similar object at 6h 41m 55.77s, 41 35'; 41 35' 19.45" on 9 April 2010.

I knew those coordinates looked oddly familiar.

(snip)

Fantastic! Thanks for your research . . . this helps greatly!
 Quoting: George B


George, you need to understand that the PX proponents never admit to any of their 'data' being debunked. The same bullshit is repeated over and over and over again, no matter how many times it is proven false. Nancy has built Zetatalk exactly like that, one falsehood on top of the last. She makes a claim, declares it proven, and then builds on top of that... for 15 years.

Note that most of what rolls around on the internet about PX was originated or inspired by Zetatalk.
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Astornut,

I would like your opinion regarding the coordinates we discussed yesterday. An individual claims that they used an IR capable camera and recorded an object at the coordinates RA: 6h 42m 8.44s, Dec: 41 40' 18.94" on 20 March 2010 from a location in southern Michigan. He later recorded an identical or similar object at 6h 41m 55.77s, 41 35'; 41 35' 19.45" on 9 April 2010.

I knew those coordinates looked oddly familiar.

(snip)

Fantastic! Thanks for your research . . . this helps greatly!


George, you need to understand that the PX proponents never admit to any of their 'data' being debunked. The same bullshit is repeated over and over and over again, no matter how many times it is proven false. Nancy has built Zetatalk exactly like that, one falsehood on top of the last. She makes a claim, declares it proven, and then builds on top of that... for 15 years.

Note that most of what rolls around on the internet about PX was originated or inspired by Zetatalk.
 Quoting: Menow 1003573

It is much like gossip . . . everyone keeps sending it forward and few if anyone tries to verify if it is true or not. That is why I persist even in the face of ridicule and insults . . . I am the regular guy who has forgotten more than he remembers and needs to ask basic questions to get to the truth. Not everyone that comes to this Thread has in-depth knowledge enough to debunk fraud.
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

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Astornut,

I would like your opinion regarding the coordinates we discussed yesterday. An individual claims that they used an IR capable camera and recorded an object at the coordinates RA: 6h 42m 8.44s, Dec: 41 40' 18.94" on 20 March 2010 from a location in southern Michigan. He later recorded an identical or similar object at 6h 41m 55.77s, 41 35'; 41 35' 19.45" on 9 April 2010.

I knew those coordinates looked oddly familiar.

(snip)

Fantastic! Thanks for your research . . . this helps greatly!


George, you need to understand that the PX proponents never admit to any of their 'data' being debunked. The same bullshit is repeated over and over and over again, no matter how many times it is proven false. Nancy has built Zetatalk exactly like that, one falsehood on top of the last. She makes a claim, declares it proven, and then builds on top of that... for 15 years.

Note that most of what rolls around on the internet about PX was originated or inspired by Zetatalk.

It is much like gossip . . . everyone keeps sending it forward and few if anyone tries to verify if it is true or not. That is why I persist even in the face of ridicule and insults . . . I am the regular guy who has forgotten more than he remembers and needs to ask basic questions to get to the truth. Not everyone that comes to this Thread has in-depth knowledge enough to debunk fraud.
 Quoting: George B


Nope. Gossip is innocent and mostly unintentional. Zetatalk is intentional falsehood.
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Nope. Gossip is innocent and mostly unintentional. Zetatalk is intentional falsehood.
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I agree it is intentional.
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

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BTW, here's my most recent photo from our last clear sky period a few weekends ago.

[link to www.machunter.org]

Kewl! New desktop image.
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Yep. I have had several of Hap's images as desktops!
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BTW, here's my most recent photo from our last clear sky period a few weekends ago.

[link to www.machunter.org]

Kewl! New desktop image.


Yep. I have had several of Hap's images as desktops!
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I definitely need to pay Hap a visit - I'm just across the river from South Carolina.
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The same software I use for plate solving will also point out any asteroids or any other transient objects in any of my photographs that are not in the database. The bunkers just don't have any clue how sophistocated normal amateur astronomy is nowdays. They think we're all as ignorant as they are about such things.
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Maybe you'll get an asteroid named after you!

As per usual, the pictures knock me out, Hap. You and Astronut are good for the soul.
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cannot critcally think

a `just for your notice' for the owner of the zetasquawk website (love your work btw)

[link to www.zetasquawk.com]
should be an i in that critically
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Thank goodness for Zetasquawk......
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From the ning:

noah sherman said:

Hi Nancy, I have a question about the hybrids that the zetatalk material has spoken about extensively. I wonder if the hybrids themselves are working with any public channels or public telepathic communicators in a similar way that the zetas are working with you. I'm primarily interested in channels or telepathic communicators who are public figures.


Nancy's Answer:
The Zetas have earlier stated that there is NO equivalent to me, whereby a telepathic conversation is going on. This leaves contactees in touch with what they bring back (Scallion does this, per the Zetas) and channels which allow their bodies to be taken over, and people like John Edwards who speak with spirits, the dead. I'm getting a quick "no" to your answer, Noah, from the Z's, who thus decline the Q.


Haha. I agree there is no equivalent to Nancy. LOL. How convenient that she is the one and only emissary. I would think the Zetas would have people like her in different places to aid earthlings that don't happen to speak English. But what can you expect from a person that describes herself as being a mixture of Joan of Arc and Mother Teresa?
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More Nancy comedy from the ning:

"The Zetas do not share their scientific analysis detail with humans as they have explained we humans could NOT understand. Humans are aware of 1/1000 the number of sub-atomic particles for instance, and Zeta math does not include the zero. They drop their explanations to our level, obviously, and hope we can deal with that."

In other words, Nancy needs a way to explain away her own ignorance, and her solution is to say that we are all too primitive to understand no zero maths and advanced zeta science. That way she doesn't have to address any real science.
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What motivates someone to perpetrate a fraud like that above . . . I just don't get it?
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Some people, George, get a kick out of lying and not gettingcaught, or at least thinking they aren't getting caught. Witness our late "friend" clunk, luser and maxi/bridget, not to mention ninny LIEDer....

I leave the psychological explanations to someone who is of that faith...
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From the ning:

noah sherman said:

Hi Nancy, I have a question about the hybrids that the zetatalk material has spoken about extensively. I wonder if the hybrids themselves are working with any public channels or public telepathic communicators in a similar way that the zetas are working with you. I'm primarily interested in channels or telepathic communicators who are public figures.


Nancy's Answer:
The Zetas have earlier stated that there is NO equivalent to me, whereby a telepathic conversation is going on. This leaves contactees in touch with what they bring back (Scallion does this, per the Zetas) and channels which allow their bodies to be taken over, and people like John Edwards who speak with spirits, the dead. I'm getting a quick "no" to your answer, Noah, from the Z's, who thus decline the Q.


Haha. I agree there is no equivalent to Nancy. LOL. How convenient that she is the one and only emissary. I would think the Zetas would have people like her in different places to aid earthlings that don't happen to speak English. But what can you expect from a person that describes herself as being a mixture of Joan of Arc and Mother Teresa?
 Quoting: KeepingItReal

So, basically, it makes this even more of a cult with her the sole leader and messiah.
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What motivates someone to perpetrate a fraud like that above . . . I just don't get it?
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I think it's pretty simple actually. Nancy feels she's special...a chosen one who, with that, is empowered with information and insights that no one else is privileged to have unless she shares it. She craves the attention that her followers bestow upon her...feeling as if they worship her. She's made comments that support this, such as claiming that after the pole shift, she'll be viewed as a celebrity among the camps she visits. She's also compared herself to Joan of Arc and Mother Theresa. And her most recent comment about being the only emissary helps support that.
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Some people, George, get a kick out of lying and not gettingcaught, or at least thinking they aren't getting caught. Witness our late "friend" clunk, luser and maxi/bridget, not to mention ninny LIEDer....
 Quoting: The Commentator


Speaking of those two...I wonder how Luser and Max are doing now that they've been laid off/retired.
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cannot critcally think

a `just for your notice' for the owner of the zetasquawk website (love your work btw)

[link to www.zetasquawk.com]
should be an i in that critically
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Oops...didn't proof read that. Thanks for the heads up.

Would you believe I'm a technical writer by profession?

My typing gets sloppy after sitting in front of a computer writing manuals ten hours a day, four days a week.
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Some people, George, get a kick out of lying and not getting caught, or at least thinking they aren't getting caught. Witness our late "friend" clunk, luser and maxi/bridget, not to mention ninny LIEDer....


Speaking of those two...I wonder how Luser and Max are doing now that they've been laid off/retired.
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Good question, but just to be on the safe side, lets extend the boycott of the pair of twits through July as well?

What say you?
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"Nancy pays me to post on Her threads"

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NO max/bridget EVER!!!!!
NO luser EVER!!!
NO clunker EVER!!!!!
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NO max/bridget IN JULY!!!!!
NO luser IN JULY!!!
NO clunker EVER!!!!!


Last Edited by The Commentator on 07/01/2010 01:18 AM
non sufficit Orbis

Being a zetatard means never having to make sense.

"Nancy pays me to post on Her threads"

Free Store admits to being a paid zetadrool shill

NO max/bridget EVER!!!!!
NO luser EVER!!!
NO clunker EVER!!!!!
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NO max/bridget IN JULY!!!!!
NO luser IN JULY!!!
NO clunker EVER!!!!!


Don't think that will be a problem. With Nancy gone
they're afraid of this thread.
 Quoting: DrPostman



Hope you are right, but I suspect that maxibridget will try to escape and come back just because he/she is a troll.

But, I freely admit I could be wrong.
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Being a zetatard means never having to make sense.

"Nancy pays me to post on Her threads"

Free Store admits to being a paid zetadrool shill

NO max/bridget EVER!!!!!
NO luser EVER!!!
NO clunker EVER!!!!!
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cannot critcally think

a `just for your notice' for the owner of the zetasquawk website (love your work btw)

[link to www.zetasquawk.com]
should be an i in that critically


Oops...didn't proof read that. Thanks for the heads up.

Would you believe I'm a technical writer by profession?

My typing gets sloppy after sitting in front of a computer writing manuals ten hours a day, four days a week.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1021415

I know the feeling..
electronics tech here by trade

And both of my tv's have faults (lounge tv requires a particular `percussive startup' technique and the remote on my bedroom tv has been broken for months- I use a broom handle to change channels and turn it off from my bed...

I know whats wrong with both of them, but quite frankly after a full day buried in electronics- I simply cant get the energy together to fix my own gear...

What do they say about the cobblers children going barefoot and the plumbers taps dripping??? More than a kernal of truth in that particular statement me thinks...
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From the ning site:

"Thought I would start a thread on a subject that many are curious and terrified about. Hearing disembodied voices in or outside of your head. Many are concerned when they hear the "voices", thinking they're schizophrenic, or just outright insane, though this is hardly the case. I started hearing voices when I was fifteen, though being surrounded by contactees, showed me that I did not need to concern myself. But not everyone is this fortunate.

So, do you hear your name? Do you hear conversations? Do you receive imagery with your voices? Do you feel that you're eavesdropping into conversations? Do you hear people talking about things that you know nothing about, such as scientific information?"

Hey, was this one of you guys who did this?

Part of me hopes so, because the other option is a bit sad.
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Nancy's nuts. Schizoid delusions and messiah complex. That's why she does what she does. Basic psychology.
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It is much like gossip . . . everyone keeps sending it forward and few if anyone tries to verify if it is true or not. That is why I persist even in the face of ridicule and insults . . . I am the regular guy who has forgotten more than he remembers and needs to ask basic questions to get to the truth. Not everyone that comes to this Thread has in-depth knowledge enough to debunk fraud.
 Quoting: George B


Yes, you certainly seem determined to remain dumb, and you are doing a great job.
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Good question, but just to be on the safe side, lets extend the boycott of the pair of twits through July as well?

What say you?
 Quoting: The Commentator

I haven't seen a post from Luser in over a month. Max at least a week so no problem.

Last Edited by Circuit Breaker on 07/01/2010 09:24 PM
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Good question, but just to be on the safe side, lets extend the boycott of the pair of twits through July as well?

What say you?

I haven't seen a post from Luser in over a month. Max at least a week so no problem.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker



If they are not around the boycott won't hurt them, and if they are, we get to rub their face in it passively. Sounds like a win-win to me...
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Being a zetatard means never having to make sense.

"Nancy pays me to post on Her threads"

Free Store admits to being a paid zetadrool shill

NO max/bridget EVER!!!!!
NO luser EVER!!!
NO clunker EVER!!!!!
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Good question, but just to be on the safe side, lets extend the boycott of the pair of twits through July as well?

What say you?

I haven't seen a post from Luser in over a month. Max at least a week so no problem.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker

idyut
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The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
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Good question, but just to be on the safe side, lets extend the boycott of the pair of twits through July as well?

What say you?

I haven't seen a post from Luser in over a month. Max at least a week so no problem.



If they are not around the boycott won't hurt them, and if they are, we get to rub their face in it passively. Sounds like a win-win to me...
 Quoting: The Commentator

atomic_fai
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
 [link to www.zetatalk.com] 

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NO max/bridget IN JULY!!!!!
NO luser IN JULY!!!
NO clunker EVER!!!!!


Don't think that will be a problem. With Nancy gone
they're afraid of this thread.
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_liberty
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The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
 [link to www.zetatalk.com] 

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