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:C - Debate 9 Jul:

Just to let you guys know the Chemtrail Debate that Menow encouraged me to do with 'The Guy' is this Friday at 9:00 PM EST. Hope you get a chance to look in . . .



Get that in situ sample yet?

Didn't think so. That would resolve the question and the chemtards do NOT want that!

Yes, the next best thing. . . . . but you have to go to the debate to see it.

BTW. . . The people who study in situ sampling of contrails think it is very difficult to get a good sample themselves and they have all the equipment and budget . . . see below:



"In young contrails and possibly in contrail cirrus,
the existence of numerous XXXX-sized ice crystals (aerosol/ice
continuum) poses a great challenge for accurate in situ measurements(Heymsfield et al., 2009). The difficulty of tracking contrails, once they have lost their linear shape, by aircraft or with satellite detection algorithms is another reason for the lack of robust data on contrail microphysical properties,and the apparent absence of measurements of older (age >1 h) contrail cirrus."

[link to www.atmos-chem-phys.net]

[link to www.atmos-chem-phys.net]



So get a sample that is <1hr old. Simple. But the chemtards won't do that, it would ruin the game, right?

[link to www.atmos-chem-phys.net]



So get a sample that is <1hr old. Simple. But the chemtards won't do that, it would ruin the game, right?

Well, the truth is the vast majority of persistent contrails are mistaken as chemtrails. The probability of finding an actual Chemtrail would require a ton of luck and flying well above 30,000 feet. It would be like trying to find a needle in a haystack by driving by the stack at 30 mile an hour in an enclosed vehicle with collection tubes protruding from the vehicle. Good luck . . . not cost effective!

[link to www.atmos-chem-phys.net]



So get a sample that is <1hr old. Simple. But the chemtards won't do that, it would ruin the game, right?

Well, the truth is the vast majority of persistent contrails are mistaken as chemtrails. The probability of finding an actual Chemtrail would require a ton of luck and flying well above 30,000 feet. It would be like trying to find a needle in a haystack by driving by the stack at 30 mile an hour in an enclosed vehicle with collection tubes protruding from the vehicle. Good luck . . . not cost effective!


....always EXCUSES from the kOOks.

[link to www.atmos-chem-phys.net]



So get a sample that is <1hr old. Simple. But the chemtards won't do that, it would ruin the game, right?

Well, the truth is the vast majority of persistent contrails are mistaken as chemtrails. The probability of finding an actual Chemtrail would require a ton of luck and flying well above 30,000 feet. It would be like trying to find a needle in a haystack by driving by the stack at 30 mile an hour in an enclosed vehicle with collection tubes protruding from the vehicle. Good luck . . . not cost effective!


....always EXCUSES from the kOOks.

You think . . . have the courage to come to the debate and see if there are very real, logical explanations for people's belief in Chemtrails.

Ningtard question:
Dear Ones, Thank you so very, very much for the insights you offer! My biggest question continues to be,
"What would make the best, strong roof for one of the trenches you recommend we lie in during the hour of
the SHIFT? What do you suggest we use and How do you suggest we secure it?" Thank you.

Now before I share Nancy's reply, remember that in an event like she proposes, the winds would be in excess of any hurricane force wind ever recorded by man.

Nancy's Reply:
They have already stated that a board covered with sod or sheet metal anchored well. They could not give more specific advice as it would depend so much on your location. If in the flat plains, then making sure your roof will not lift is the issue. Sod, if allowed to grow over a roof from the sides, could be no better. Roots are SO secure. A piece of metal will of course want to lift in winds too. Secure well by whatever means! Cover with some dirt and allow the sod at the sides to grown over the top, a root network that will NOT be broken in all likelihood. But you might have rock hard clay soil that would allow you do just crouch against one side and hold something over your head like a garbage pail top. Endless variations possible. Be out of the wind. Under a metal cover or sod covered (not burnable, sod is not burnable) board. Things that can't lift in the wind, are secured. Or ANY variation! I have storm doors to my basement, and in a pinch would NOT be in the basement (could fall) but would crouch down in there (out of the wind) and the worst would be those boards crashing on me, but they are not heavy. They would also deflect flying objects. Think of the goal, not of the direction.


Maybe I have a twisted sense of humour, but imagining the ningtards crouching up against a clay embankment holding a garbage pail top over their heads in extreme hurricane force winds makes me laugh until my belly hurts.

This concept has always interested me . . . I agree with you . . . just how in the world is someone going to survive such dire forces with a piece of tin roof over a slip trench . . . not very logical? I guess STOs will be protected by the Zetas but there are going to be STS after the shift as well . . . ?

[link to www.atmos-chem-phys.net]



So get a sample that is <1hr old. Simple. But the chemtards won't do that, it would ruin the game, right?

Well, the truth is the vast majority of persistent contrails are mistaken as chemtrails. The probability of finding an actual Chemtrail would require a ton of luck and flying well above 30,000 feet. It would be like trying to find a needle in a haystack by driving by the stack at 30 mile an hour in an enclosed vehicle with collection tubes protruding from the vehicle. Good luck . . . not cost effective!


....always EXCUSES from the kOOks.

You think . . . have the courage to come to the debate and see if there are very real, logical explanations for people's belief in Chemtrails.


I've been reading about them for 10 years here on GLP, and it's all bullshit. Nobody has been able to prove a thing, or offer any credible evidence.

Your pathetic 'debate' is just an excuse for you to peddle your ridiculous kOOk views.

This concept has always interested me . . . I agree with you . . . just how in the world is someone going to survive such dire forces with a piece of tin roof over a slip trench . . . not very logical? I guess STOs will be protected by the Zetas but there are going to be STS after the shift as well . . . ?


You are a kOOk troll of the most insidious kind.

Ningtard question:
Dear Ones, Thank you so very, very much for the insights you offer! My biggest question continues to be,
"What would make the best, strong roof for one of the trenches you recommend we lie in during the hour of
the SHIFT? What do you suggest we use and How do you suggest we secure it?" Thank you.

Now before I share Nancy's reply, remember that in an event like she proposes, the winds would be in excess of any hurricane force wind ever recorded by man.

Nancy's Reply:
They have already stated that a board covered with sod or sheet metal anchored well. They could not give more specific advice as it would depend so much on your location. If in the flat plains, then making sure your roof will not lift is the issue. Sod, if allowed to grow over a roof from the sides, could be no better. Roots are SO secure. A piece of metal will of course want to lift in winds too. Secure well by whatever means! Cover with some dirt and allow the sod at the sides to grown over the top, a root network that will NOT be broken in all likelihood. But you might have rock hard clay soil that would allow you do just crouch against one side and hold something over your head like a garbage pail top. Endless variations possible. Be out of the wind. Under a metal cover or sod covered (not burnable, sod is not burnable) board. Things that can't lift in the wind, are secured. Or ANY variation! I have storm doors to my basement, and in a pinch would NOT be in the basement (could fall) but would crouch down in there (out of the wind) and the worst would be those boards crashing on me, but they are not heavy. They would also deflect flying objects. Think of the goal, not of the direction.


Maybe I have a twisted sense of humour, but imagining the ningtards crouching up against a clay embankment holding a garbage pail top over their heads in extreme hurricane force winds makes me laugh until my belly hurts.

:C - Debate 9 Jul:

Just to let you guys know the Chemtrail Debate that Menow encouraged me to do with 'The Guy' is this Friday at 9:00 PM EST. Hope you get a chance to look in . . .

:C - Debate 9 Jul:

Just to let you guys know the Chemtrail Debate that Menow encouraged me to do with 'The Guy' is this Friday at 9:00 PM EST. Hope you get a chance to look in . . .



I'll be away from the computer this weekend, for the most part.

I'll be away from the computer this weekend, for the most part.

Sorry, I was hoping you would make a flyby . . . you can always catch up later, but some real time would be great. Best Wishes . . . hope your on vacation not work.

I'll be away from the computer this weekend, for the most part.

Sorry, I was hoping you would make a flyby . . . you can always catch up later, but some real time would be great. Best Wishes . . . hope your on vacation not work.


My on work, not vacation.

I'll be away from the computer this weekend, for the most part.

Sorry, I was hoping you would make a flyby . . . you can always catch up later, but some real time would be great. Best Wishes . . . hope your on vacation not work.

I'm trying to find a used galvanized aluminum trash can w/lid
that I can get cheap to turn into an electric smoker. I wonder
if any of the Ningcompoops would sell me theirs after the Big
Fail next year? The cheapest I could find online is $40 for
a decent sized can and that's without shipping and handling.

I'm trying to find a used galvanized aluminum trash can w/lid
that I can get cheap to turn into an electric smoker. I wonder
if any of the Ningcompoops would sell me theirs after the Big
Fail next year? The cheapest I could find online is $40 for
a decent sized can and that's without shipping and handling.

I'll be away from the computer this weekend, for the most part.

Sorry, I was hoping you would make a flyby . . . you can always catch up later, but some real time would be great. Best Wishes . . . hope your on vacation not work.



By the way... your overly familar manner just gives me the creeps. It's no skin off your nose(nor any of your business) whether I'm working, vacationing, or whatever. I don't know you, nor are we 'pals'.

I'll be away from the computer this weekend, for the most part.

Sorry, I was hoping you would make a flyby . . . you can always catch up later, but some real time would be great. Best Wishes . . . hope your on vacation not work.



By the way... your overly familiar manner just gives me the creeps. It's no skin off your nose(nor any of your business) whether I'm working, vacationing, or whatever. I don't know you, nor are we 'pals'.

Sorry to make you feel uncomfortable . . . we had several discussions regarding Chemtrails, etc. I thought we were past the adversarial posture. So be it . . . I won't bother you in the future.

I'll be away from the computer this weekend, for the most part.

Sorry, I was hoping you would make a flyby . . . you can always catch up later, but some real time would be great. Best Wishes . . . hope your on vacation not work.



By the way... your overly familiar manner just gives me the creeps. It's no skin off your nose(nor any of your business) whether I'm working, vacationing, or whatever. I don't know you, nor are we 'pals'.

Sorry to make you feel uncomfortable . . . we had several discussions regarding Chemtrails, etc. I thought we were past the adversarial posture. So be it . . . I won't bother you in the future.


It's not about being adversarial. It's about you seemingly caring whether I'm working or on vacation, and things like that. You CAN'T really care about that, George. We don't KNOW each other. It's disingenuous for you to feign concern for me like that. It just feels dishonest and as if you are trying to 'stroke' me, for whatever reasons. It doesn't work. It's creepy. Cut it out.

I'll be away from the computer this weekend, for the most part.

Sorry, I was hoping you would make a flyby . . . you can always catch up later, but some real time would be great. Best Wishes . . . hope your on vacation not work.



By the way... your overly familiar manner just gives me the creeps. It's no skin off your nose(nor any of your business) whether I'm working, vacationing, or whatever. I don't know you, nor are we 'pals'.

Sorry to make you feel uncomfortable . . . we had several discussions regarding Chemtrails, etc. I thought we were past the adversarial posture. So be it . . . I won't bother you in the future.


It's not about being adversarial. It's about you seemingly caring whether I'm working or on vacation, and things like that. You CAN'T really care about that, George. We don't KNOW each other. It's disingenuous for you to feign concern for me like that. It just feels dishonest and as if you are trying to 'stroke' me, for whatever reasons. It doesn't work. It's creepy. Cut it out.


Look . . . my style is different; I am not as confrontational as other posters . . . I noted form your responses in the past that you are working and many times on the road as you have posted many times. I did that myself a lot . . . not anymore. Sorry, I guess I just sympathized and felt I knew how you felt. Didn't mean anything other than that . . . I was not trying to be disingenuous or trying to stroke you . . . what would be my motive? I get tired of the . . . in your face, hope you drop dead crap all the time . . . some friendly small talk is refreshing. If you look back you see that that is what I do with most people . . . again I am sorry it got to you , it was not intentional.

I'll be away from the computer this weekend, for the most part.

Sorry, I was hoping you would make a flyby . . . you can always catch up later, but some real time would be great. Best Wishes . . . hope your on vacation not work.



By the way... your overly familiar manner just gives me the creeps. It's no skin off your nose(nor any of your business) whether I'm working, vacationing, or whatever. I don't know you, nor are we 'pals'.

Sorry to make you feel uncomfortable . . . we had several discussions regarding Chemtrails, etc. I thought we were past the adversarial posture. So be it . . . I won't bother you in the future.


It's not about being adversarial. It's about you seemingly caring whether I'm working or on vacation, and things like that. You CAN'T really care about that, George. We don't KNOW each other. It's disingenuous for you to feign concern for me like that. It just feels dishonest and as if you are trying to 'stroke' me, for whatever reasons. It doesn't work. It's creepy. Cut it out.


Look . . . my style is different; I am not as confrontational as other posters . . . I noted form your responses in the past that you are working and many times on the road as you have posted many times. I did that myself a lot . . . not anymore. Sorry, I guess I just sympathized and felt I knew how you felt. Didn't mean anything other than that . . . I was not trying to be disingenuous or trying to stroke you . . . what would be my motive? I get tired of the . . . in your face, hope you drop dead crap all the time . . . some friendly small talk is refreshing. If you look back you see that that is what I do with most people . . . again I am sorry it got to you , it was not intentional.



Your motive? Let's see... for years now, the debunkers have been attacked as to motive over and over and over again for simply posting rebuttals to the PX myth. YOU figure it out from there.

By the way... the ones most guilty of constant personal attacks have actually been the ones promoting the various conspiracy theories. I suspect that you, too, will resort to that sort of thing when you have your ass handed to you on the chemtrail debate thread.

I'll be away from the computer this weekend, for the most part.

Sorry, I was hoping you would make a flyby . . . you can always catch up later, but some real time would be great. Best Wishes . . . hope your on vacation not work.



By the way... your overly familiar manner just gives me the creeps. It's no skin off your nose(nor any of your business) whether I'm working, vacationing, or whatever. I don't know you, nor are we 'pals'.

Sorry to make you feel uncomfortable . . . we had several discussions regarding Chemtrails, etc. I thought we were past the adversarial posture. So be it . . . I won't bother you in the future.


It's not about being adversarial. It's about you seemingly caring whether I'm working or on vacation, and things like that. You CAN'T really care about that, George. We don't KNOW each other. It's disingenuous for you to feign concern for me like that. It just feels dishonest and as if you are trying to 'stroke' me, for whatever reasons. It doesn't work. It's creepy. Cut it out.


Look . . . my style is different; I am not as confrontational as other posters . . . I noted form your responses in the past that you are working and many times on the road as you have posted many times. I did that myself a lot . . . not anymore. Sorry, I guess I just sympathized and felt I knew how you felt. Didn't mean anything other than that . . . I was not trying to be disingenuous or trying to stroke you . . . what would be my motive? I get tired of the . . . in your face, hope you drop dead crap all the time . . . some friendly small talk is refreshing. If you look back you see that that is what I do with most people . . . again I am sorry it got to you , it was not intentional.



Your motive? Let's see... for years now, the debunkers have been attacked as to motive over and over and over again for simply posting rebuttals to the PX myth. YOU figure it out from there.

By the way... the ones most guilty of constant personal attacks have actually been the ones promoting the various conspiracy theories. I suspect that you, too, will resort to that sort of thing when you have your ass handed to you on the chemtrail debate thread.

[link to www.atmos-chem-phys.net]



So get a sample that is <1hr old. Simple. But the chemtards won't do that, it would ruin the game, right?

Well, the truth is the vast majority of persistent contrails are mistaken as chemtrails. The probability of finding an actual Chemtrail would require a ton of luck and flying well above 30,000 feet. It would be like trying to find a needle in a haystack by driving by the stack at 30 mile an hour in an enclosed vehicle with collection tubes protruding from the vehicle. Good luck . . . not cost effective!

[link to www.atmos-chem-phys.net]



So get a sample that is <1hr old. Simple. But the chemtards won't do that, it would ruin the game, right?

Well, the truth is the vast majority of persistent contrails are mistaken as chemtrails. The probability of finding an actual Chemtrail would require a ton of luck and flying well above 30,000 feet. It would be like trying to find a needle in a haystack by driving by the stack at 30 mile an hour in an enclosed vehicle with collection tubes protruding from the vehicle. Good luck . . . not cost effective!



You don't know what an in si8tu sample is, do you George?

How did cost effective get into the argument?

And, didn't you tell us there had been sample collected already? If not you, then it was one of the other chemtards. Sorry, but you all sound the same.

But you might have rock hard clay soil that would allow you do just crouch against one side and hold something over your head like a garbage pail top.

BTW . . . your whole position on Chemtrail and or Contrails was indefensible. The is no reason in theory or application where contrails/chemtrails cannot be visible in one horizontal layer of atmosphere and can be visible or not visible in layers above or below (like a sandwich) . . . the exact thing I observed and noted for which you called me a liar. If you think otherwise you need to do some research.

Advocates have to rely on the efforts and budgets of others . . .