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However, I had forgotten just HOW devious and sneaky and nasty and underhanded are the ways of Nancy Lieder and her "Zetas", which I have always believed are actually some sort of entity who possess her.

who said plate movements caused by warming? *experts* and *scientists* say many weird things, including this - that increased seismicity is due to warming.

[incl. warming that leads to cooling and ice age]

"...increased seismicity is due to warming."

You'll be providing a reference link for that, right?

Good point. If the Zetas didn't tinker to make things look normal and if Nancy was right about the earth being stopped in orbit since 2003, there would be no denying it. We would all notice that the seasons were wrong and that the same constellations were visible all the time while others would never be visible. People would notice. If anyone is covering up anything it is the Zetas. I know the dumbfuckistonians will trot out the "element of doubt" excuse to justify their meddling, but that is even lamer. Why would the Zetas come all this way to warn us and then cover up that thing they are warning us about so that we doubt the veracity of their warning? Doesn't make sense. But of course, I am humoring Max by supposing any of this is true. Truth is, the earth is not stopped in orbit now, nor has it been in my lifetime. The seasons and the constellations are as we would expect this time of year, the Zetas are not moving the planets and stars to simulate anything, because they do not exist outside Nancy's imagination which has been fueled by Betty and Barney Hill and B Movies from the 50s and 60s.

If the Zeta's unilaterally end the cover-up, it would constitute an illegal breach of the non-interference mandate that governs them.

That's bullshit. By them covering it up...they are interfering.

[link to www.zetatalk.com]

We, as the source of this information, can only respond to questions considered to be The Call, and cannot for instance give warnings of coming storms or quakes, though we can address in general the likely earth changes. To do otherwise, as we have explained, is to interfere with the free will of man, which the Rule of Non-Interference limits. The pole shift, and all change leading up to it, are considered a normal terrestrial occurrence not unlike tornadoes or cancer or droughts. You, as mankind, are to help each other, learn how to do so, during these tribulations.

There it is. "The pole shift, and all change leading up to it,..."


How is tilting Earth to simulate the seasons NOT interfering with the CHANGE leading up to the pole shift?

Good point. I'll have to continue reading to see how Andrew and Max wiggled out of this.

Also, especially in India where children who talk about having lived before are not ignored by adults, it has been shown on shows such as 60 minutes that a young child of five or six knew where a buried box with cash was located in his "former home".

Link, please.

I also cannot help but notice you carefully ignored my earlier reply to you, again. Why is that?

[link to reluctant-messenger.com]

No....that's a kOOk web site.

We want REAL SCIENTIFIC PROOF!

There is a BIG difference!

You ONLY believe kOOk crap.

This is PRECISELY how the world remained "FLAT" for centuries, in spite of copious amounts of evidence to the contrary.


"Researchers who believe in the evidence for reincarnation have been unsuccessful in getting the scientific community to consider it a serious possibility.[78]"

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

ZetaMax fails dismally once again. Just like Nancy, you are ADDICTED TO FAIL!!!

You start from your beliefs then work backwards, distorting all evidence to fit your preconceived delusion. This is standard pseudo-science/kOOkery.

You are anti-science because it is rational, and you have already shown a complete disregard for rational thought.

Worse, you are a compulsive liar.

There is no credible evidence that supports reincarnation, which is why no reputable scientist believes in it.

You are a liar. You simply deny reality.


Oh I see. We have VERIFIABLE, REPEATABLE, CHRONOLOGICAL, TESTABLE and extremely CONSISTENT evidence that "fails" because it otherwise is "somehow" not credible???

Pray tell, what independent and objective FACTORS are used to make that determination?

SPECIFICS please - not vague generalities!!!


"Researchers who believe in the evidence for reincarnation have been unsuccessful in getting the scientific community to consider it a serious possibility.[78]"

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

It is not considered a serious possibility by most scientists because the evidence is not of sufficient quality and there are major doubts about the credibility of those who claim it exists.

Furthermore the existence of a soul has not been demonstrated, so there seems to be nothing to reincarnate!

You are a compulsive bullshitter. Nothing you write is correct.

This is really for Max:

There are some things that you can't verify. Like once, several years ago, I was staying at my parent's house. I had this horrible nightmare one night, that one of my two front teeth were missing. It was awful, I felt like a redneck hillbilly and was trying to hide it from everyone. It was a really vivid, embarrassing, emotional dream. When I woke up, the first thing I did was run to the mirror and make sure I had my front tooth. I did and thought, "whoo, what a nightmare! Glad that's over."

Then I went to the kitchen for breakfast. My mom was there, having her morning coffee. When she spoke, I noticed something was wrong with her teeth. One of her two front teeth was missing. I got chills and asked her what happened. She said she bit it off on a piece of food the night before. It was no big deal, she got it fixed that afternoon at the dentist. But I had arrived home from work very late the night she bit it off, like eleven, and she was already in bed. I hadn't spoke to her all afternoon or evening.

I can't believe this was a coincidence. But I don't know exactly what to make of it, either. You can't take something like this and make up a bunch of dopey theories about it. It was what it was. Obviously, a part of me knew what happened to my mom even though I didn't consciously know. So what, it doesn't prove reincarnation or souls or anything. We are still very primitive, we can't even get along! We don't know what's going on in our own bodies unless we cut another one open! If your own conscious mind doesn't know what's going on inside its own body, how is it supposed to interpret reality outside of it with any accuracy?

There is no proof for what happened other than my word it did. So I know it happened but it was not scientifically explainable or even provable to anyone else. But what does it prove? We don't know enough about consciousness or reality to even really guess!

All these so called scientific studies about consciousness are still in the beginning phases and that means they don't have a clue. You can't measure consciousness, you can't even define it properly. So how can you possibly come to any kind of conclusions about something supposedly involving consciousness? You can't - the thing you are using to evaluate the consciousness is consciousness, itself. We have a long ways to go to understand, we aren't ready. Imagine trying to teach a caveman to drive a car. He's simply not ready. First thing he's probably going to do is vomit all over it. Then pee his loin cloth, if he wears one.

The brain likes to find patterns, order and make sense of things. So that's why people hold on to dorky belief systems. It's scary to be truly open-minded. I don't mind it, I think it's a fun ride.

Oh, and lest I forget: The Zetas actively killed astronauts when they blew up Columbia. Or so Nancy claims.

It was for the "greater good".

Greater good? There was no greater good in the Columbia accident.

I'd love to see how you spin a tragedy into being for the greater good and don't give me that shit that they were supposedly carrying back secret information about planet eX.

Everything in Zetatalk points to its being a mountain of self-supporting BS which is only believable to those who are predisposed to it.

Yes. How dishonest to come here, tell us through Nancy about the PS and PX, give absolutely no proof, give bad predictions that never come to pass, and then cover up the evidence by moving things around to make it all look normal. Then Nancy expects us to just take her word for it all or she gets nasty. If the Zetas would just STFU and go away, we would all see that things are not right. There would be no denying it and we would be doing what is necessary to face and prepare for it. But no. They prefer to make things seem normal and "get the message out" to the few that will believe a nutty old woman with no proof, no understanding of astronomy or anything else and who communicates through candy with them. Yeah, it's pretty safe to say that the zetas are bad news, meddling in our affairs and contributing to genocide. Of course, the good news is that they really don't exist and Nancy is just making this all up. I don't know how Max can defend the whole thing. It borders on treason against his fellow humans on planet earth.

I'd be MUCH more concerned with a week from Monday!!!

I'M SORRY that you lack my advanced discernment skills!!

THAT doesnt interfere with man's free will!

[link to www.zetatalk.com]

We, as the source of this information, can only respond to questions considered to be The Call, and cannot for instance give warnings of coming storms or quakes, though we can address in general the likely earth changes. To do otherwise, as we have explained, is to interfere with the free will of man, which the Rule of Non-Interference limits. The pole shift, and all change leading up to it, are considered a normal terrestrial occurrence not unlike tornadoes or cancer or droughts. You, as mankind, are to help each other, learn how to do so, during these tribulations.

There it is. "The pole shift, and all change leading up to it,..."


How is tilting Earth to simulate the seasons NOT interfering with the CHANGE leading up to the pole shift?

Good point. I'll have to continue reading to see how Andrew and Max wiggled out of this.


THAT doesnt interfere with man's free will!

whatever they do to the skies (planet), we are still free to interact with each other, make moral choices, decide, take action in our little "playpen" - world we live in.

moving planet doesnt affect kids (humans) squabbling about on its surface.

[link to www.zetatalk.com]

We, as the source of this information, can only respond to questions considered to be The Call, and cannot for instance give warnings of coming storms or quakes, though we can address in general the likely earth changes. To do otherwise, as we have explained, is to interfere with the free will of man, which the Rule of Non-Interference limits. The pole shift, and all change leading up to it, are considered a normal terrestrial occurrence not unlike tornadoes or cancer or droughts. You, as mankind, are to help each other, learn how to do so, during these tribulations.

There it is. "The pole shift, and all change leading up to it,..."


How is tilting Earth to simulate the seasons NOT interfering with the CHANGE leading up to the pole shift?

Good point. I'll have to continue reading to see how Andrew and Max wiggled out of this.


THAT doesnt interfere with man's free will!


No one said it interferes with free will. That is not the point of the "Zeta" statement. What part of "...all change leading up to it, are considered a normal terrestrial occurrence..." aren't you allowing yourself to understand?

Everything in Zetatalk points to its being a mountain of self-supporting BS which is only believable to those who are predisposed to it.


the exactly same can be said of Conventional Science (or Wikipedia, etc)

whatever they do to the skies (planet), we are still free to interact with each other, make moral choices, decide, take action in our little "playpen" - world we live in.

moving planet doesnt affect kids (humans) squabbling about on its surface.

[link to www.zetatalk.com]

We, as the source of this information, can only respond to questions considered to be The Call, and cannot for instance give warnings of coming storms or quakes, though we can address in general the likely earth changes. To do otherwise, as we have explained, is to interfere with the free will of man, which the Rule of Non-Interference limits. The pole shift, and all change leading up to it, are considered a normal terrestrial occurrence not unlike tornadoes or cancer or droughts. You, as mankind, are to help each other, learn how to do so, during these tribulations.

There it is. "The pole shift, and all change leading up to it,..."


How is tilting Earth to simulate the seasons NOT interfering with the CHANGE leading up to the pole shift?

Good point. I'll have to continue reading to see how Andrew and Max wiggled out of this.


THAT doesnt interfere with man's free will!


No one said it interferes with free will. That is not the point of the "Zeta" statement. What part of "...all change leading up to it, are considered a normal terrestrial occurrence..." aren't you allowing yourself to understand?


i outlined it for you in that very quote:

"interfere with the free will of man, which the Rule of Non-Interference limits. "

whatever they do to the skies (planet), we are still free to interact with each other, make moral choices, decide, take action in our little "playpen" - world we live in.

moving planet doesnt affect kids (humans) squabbling about on its surface.

Yes it does. If we can't see this big, bad rogue planet, then how are we to believe or know that anything happening on the surface is a result of it? Do you ever actually think these things through?

>> I had forgotten just HOW devious and sneaky and nasty and underhanded are the ways of Nancy Lieder and her "Zetas", which I have always believed are actually some sort of entity who possess her.

One or two RECENT on-point examples would help bolster your case.

Did it ***EVER*** occur to you, that the TRUE mission of ZetaTalk was to elicit the VERY exact NEGATIVE emotional response that you so vividly exhibit??? Did it ever occur to you that the mission was in a fact a reverse-psychology psy-op to entrap folks like yourself and CRYSTALLIZE their animosity towards ALL things "alien", "earth changes", "chem trails" - in fact any and all things "WOO WOO" - i.e. NON-CONSENSUS.

Be flexible and open to NUMEROUS possibilities about what the truth might actually be. I'm sure in the end, there are PLENTY of surprises for ALL of us!!!

Look everyone! Watch Andrew spin!!