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Don't you understand that planets cannot hang around next to the sun for ten years?

oh really? why?
who can forbid them?

Gravity.

it is scientific method after all - making observation of phenomena, making assumptions re its nature and eventually devising a theory.

ZT / Nancy's theory is at least one of the possibilities, and as for me, its the best one.


Then why, after 15 years, has NONE of it been verified by any observation?

Don't you understand that planets cannot hang around next to the sun for ten years?


oh really? why?
who can forbid them?

ZT / Nancy's theory is at least one of the possibilities, and as for me, its the best one.


But you are STUPID Andrew, really STUPID!

That is why ZT works for you - but doesn't for anyone with a brain!


umm.., nope! for anyone with a brain ZT works. only for those who use Wikipedia to do thinking for them, it doesnt work.


Then why does nobody believe ZT except for a handful of idiots like you?

Why do NO scientists in the whole world accept it?

Why doesn't ANYONE with a decent scientific education accept it?

So Menow, why are you AFRAID to just let it ALL hang out???

I have no agenda to push re: that. I have no need to try to force the discussion in any certain direction. I HAVE offered my personal views when they apply and have consequence to the discussion at hand, as you have already noted. Simple as that.


Heh - we have more in common than you'd like to admit.

Fuck you Max. I have been around WAAAY more blocks than you can even comprehend in this area. You are NOT my intellectual or spiritual superior or teacher as relates to these matters.


Boy - THAT "Great Lake" of ARROGANCE sums you up better than anything else I've seen you type. DUDE, we all take turns being on both sides of the lectern - and if you're not open to being BOTH teacher and student, and allowing everyone else you encounter access to those positions as well, then you truly are EVERY BIT AS BAD as the forces you profess to be fighting.

"Wisdom" - from the mouth of a fool ... is WHAT???

Isn't it "WISDOM"???

Don't you think there's an "ultimate" truth somewhere? If you insist that it's delivered to you ONLY via "worthy" channels, then you're a MUCH bigger fool than you even think **I** am!

Think about it ...


Read what I wrote you insipid goon. YOU are the one trying to preach things YOU feel I don't know. I didn't say I can't learn things from ANYONE. I simply said that the things YOU imply I haven't considered are, well, laughable! Get a fucking clue.


You may have "considered" - but you haven't "shared". As far as getting "a fucking clue" - just what do you think the whole point of my "game" (as you put it) is anyway?

I'll give YOU a clue - it's my way of GETTING a clue.

I **ENGAGE** - you and everyone here. No holds barred, BRING IT ON. You may not like it, and sometimes I don't either, but I'll tell you this. Dealing with these attacks on me day in and day out has REALLY made me a MUCH stronger individual. Nobody "gets to me" anymore - in spite of your best derogatory efforts.


I have known these things about you all along, Max, and no, I don't 'share' everything I think or believe or know.


>> no, I don't 'share' everything I think or believe or know.

"I have known these things about you all along, M"enow.

Andrew, look up Nancy's 'science' of "Moon facts" that she touts in saying that the Moon shouldn't appear to rotate as we watch it move across the sky. What she says there is nothing but a pack of lies, Andrew. She misdefines terms and twists them so that people who read and believe her will think that the have been able to see confirmation for themsleves that the Moon is doing something 'wrong'.

The truth is, the Moon HAS to appear to rotate as it crossed the sky. It is utterly NORMAL for it to do that, but it has become Nancy's pet 'proof' that PX is affecting things. It's all a DAMNABLE LIE, Andrew! I'll take you through it sentence by sentence if you want, but you don't WANT that, do you? No... you don't WANT to see the lies in Zetatalk no matter how obvious they are!

Andrew, you are too young to know this, but climate change is not something new that the Zetas came up with. I remember back in the 70s they were talking about scenarios of climate change due to over population and climate change caused by pollution and over population. Man has made a mess of this planet, but it has nothing to do with planet x. It has nothing to do with the earth being stopped in orbit. The zetas are trying to claim they foresaw something that has been foreseen by others for more than 30 years. The one has nothing to do with the other.

I never implied that those Rules or even alien presence here on Earth are provable things.


I think you have. It is a very common practice for the PX proponents to show 'proof' after 'proof', but when challenged on them, to then declare that they don't have to prove anything to anyone and that their 'proofs' never mattered in the first place. We have seen it a thousand times. Your statement is just more of the same.


no they arent. they are outside the realm of science - because higher intelligence is not a subject that can be brought to laboratory, dissected, be "repeatable by other researchers" or "peer reviewed". THE SAME with the soul. [bear in mind further that researcher's own soul could possibly be a research subject - why not?]

it is all an issue of philosophy perhaps, because it touches the very question of existence and reasons for it, what the world is and why.

in this realm "classic" scientific method is not applicable.


Except where there are alleged 'proofs' of the existence of PX given, but those 'proofs' are a system of escallating(sp?) outright lies. Did you miss that part of what I said? That was the MOST important part, but you ignored it!

Andrew, you are too young to know this, but climate change is not something new that the Zetas came up with. I remember back in the 70s they were talking about scenarios of climate change due to over population and climate change caused by pollution and over population. Man has made a mess of this planet, but it has nothing to do with planet x. It has nothing to do with the earth being stopped in orbit. The zetas are trying to claim they foresaw something that has been foreseen by others for more than 30 years. The one has nothing to do with the other.

As for the sun and moon are not where they should be claims, and a dark coverup, it's silly. Check out Astronut's latest broadcast and try to understand that none of what he does would be possible if anything was abnormal. Try to understand that the monuments in Mexico that predict things like equinoxes, solstices, stars or planets transiting the local zenith have done so for thousands of years and continue to do so with thousands of people witnessing them. A friend who does archeoastronomy research tells me that the one in Xochicalco would not work if the sun was even a fraction of a degree off where it normally is. The engineering on that device is an incredible example of precision. In a few days, at that same site, inside a cave, the Pleiads will be projected onto the wall of the cave at a precise place that has been painted on the wall thousands of years ago, as it crosses the local zenith at midnight - and marks the nadir of the sun at that latitude. The sun and moon and all other orbiting bodies in our solar system continue to move as they have for thousands of years.

Don't you understand that planets cannot hang around next to the sun for ten years?

oh really? why?
who can forbid them?

Gravity.


or rather our understanding of it?



that graphic quote again:

"By one account, being able to tell science apart from "pseudo-science, such as astrology, quackery, the occult, and superstition"[3][4] is part of gaining scientific literacy. "
by Wikipedia in Pseudoscience article (saved before it was snipped)

Zetas Wrong Again!

[link to www.zetasquawk.com]

To be followed by a posting on how the LISS heliplots do not show the supposed earth wobble

And talking about muzzling people and cover ups, there is a news item where our prime minister is accused of muzzling scientists. But this needs to be taken into context. Our little fuhrer has already muzzled the press, muzzled his own caucus from speaking without his approval. It's just the kind of ass that he is. It has nothing to do with covering up a non existent rogue planet.

As far as that goes, why is it bad when earth politicians cover up things, yet it's ok when the Zetas cover up the supposed anomalies in the sky, making things look normal? If the Zetas would stop doing that, we would all see that things are wrong, we would all know something was up and we would all be able to prepare. By covering up the very thing they have come to tell us, they are contributing to making the population ignorant, and to the demise of a great number of humans, giving them no chance unless they blindly follow Nancy. But most of us know that the Zetas don't exist and that everything Nancy says is bullshit.

Wrong as it may ultimately be, you have to admit, it's a project VERY few have ever attempted to undertake. For that ALONE, my hat is off to Nancy. At the very least it's "interesting" for that reason alone.

zetas DID foresaw - increase in natural disasters, erratic weather and severe weather conditions, globally. its not a question is it happening or not - its the question of measuring its scale and impact.

Andrew, look up Nancy's 'science' of "Moon facts" that she touts in saying that the Moon shouldn't appear to rotate as we watch it move across the sky. What she says there is nothing but a pack of lies, Andrew. She misdefines terms and twists them so that people who read and believe her will think that the have been able to see confirmation for themsleves that the Moon is doing something 'wrong'.

The truth is, the Moon HAS to appear to rotate as it crossed the sky. It is utterly NORMAL for it to do that, but it has become Nancy's pet 'proof' that PX is affecting things. It's all a DAMNABLE LIE, Andrew! I'll take you through it sentence by sentence if you want, but you don't WANT that, do you? No... you don't WANT to see the lies in Zetatalk no matter how obvious they are!


Menow, if you think about it, and not just accept everything that science preaches, you see that what Nancy/Zetas say about the rotation of the Moon is very much possible, probable.

So, based on the last few pages -- am I to understand that Zetamax is the "Stephen Colbert" of Zetatalk, then?

I never implied that those Rules or even alien presence here on Earth are provable things.


I think you have. It is a very common practice for the PX proponents to show 'proof' after 'proof', but when challenged on them, to then declare that they don't have to prove anything to anyone and that their 'proofs' never mattered in the first place. We have seen it a thousand times. Your statement is just more of the same.


no they arent. they are outside the realm of science - because higher intelligence is not a subject that can be brought to laboratory, dissected, be "repeatable by other researchers" or "peer reviewed". THE SAME with the soul. [bear in mind further that researcher's own soul could possibly be a research subject - why not?]

it is all an issue of philosophy perhaps, because it touches the very question of existence and reasons for it, what the world is and why.

in this realm "classic" scientific method is not applicable.


Except where there are alleged 'proofs' of the existence of PX given, but those 'proofs' are a system of escallating(sp?) outright lies. Did you miss that part of what I said? That was the MOST important part, but you ignored it!


in that quote i was not talking about PX, but about alien presence ("I never implied that those Rules or even alien presence here on Earth are provable things")

Wrong as it may ultimately be, you have to admit, it's a project VERY few have ever attempted to undertake. For that ALONE, my hat is off to Nancy. At the very least it's "interesting" for that reason alone.


So, you take your hat off to someone who has lied every step of the way, even to the point of convincing her followers to threaten to commit suicide if what she claimed didn't happen?

Really? Are you THAT sick?

zetas DID foresaw - increase in natural disasters, erratic weather and severe weather conditions, globally. its not a question is it happening or not - its the question of measuring its scale and impact.

Certainly it's a question of if what she claims is actually happening. Show me any evidence you have of the "increases" she has claimed over the last decade and how things are any different than they have been at times in the past.

Zetas Wrong Again!

[link to www.zetasquawk.com]

To be followed by a posting on how the LISS heliplots do not show the supposed earth wobble

why are you so convinced that ancient megaliths were indeed astronomical devices?

re Sun and Moon - ask Inuit, IS it normal [not should or shouldnt].

Andrew, look up Nancy's 'science' of "Moon facts" that she touts in saying that the Moon shouldn't appear to rotate as we watch it move across the sky. What she says there is nothing but a pack of lies, Andrew. She misdefines terms and twists them so that people who read and believe her will think that the have been able to see confirmation for themsleves that the Moon is doing something 'wrong'.

The truth is, the Moon HAS to appear to rotate as it crossed the sky. It is utterly NORMAL for it to do that, but it has become Nancy's pet 'proof' that PX is affecting things. It's all a DAMNABLE LIE, Andrew! I'll take you through it sentence by sentence if you want, but you don't WANT that, do you? No... you don't WANT to see the lies in Zetatalk no matter how obvious they are!


Menow, if you think about it, and not just accept everything that science preaches, you see that what Nancy/Zetas say about the rotation of the Moon is very much possible, probable.


If *I* think about it?? How about if *YOU* think about it, hmm? Try real hard, Andrew... Show me. Take Nancy's "Moon facts" page and go through it line by line while you explain it. I DARE you!

Here it is:

[link to www.zetatalk.com]

Now... YOU explain how the Moon isn't supposed to rotate 360 degrees over our heads every 24 hours with all the rest of the sky. You DO know that Earth rotates once every day while the sky holds still, right?

Go right ahead. You have the floor.

Wrong as it may ultimately be, you have to admit, it's a project VERY few have ever attempted to undertake. For that ALONE, my hat is off to Nancy. At the very least it's "interesting" for that reason alone.


So, you take your hat off to someone who has lied every step of the way, even to the point of convincing her followers to threaten to commit suicide if what she claimed didn't happen?

Really? Are you THAT sick?


wait, wait, wait, hold on - Nancy doesnt do personal counseling. Neither she nor Zetas direct people's personal lives and personal decisions. They give info, predictions, signs, and advice, at most.

what will people do with it, will they even listen and believe it at all, is up to them!

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if brought to extreme one could demand a lawsuit on school textbook editors, because they've had an urge to commit suicide after having read there that Moon is not a Cheddar cheese!

zetas DID foresaw - increase in natural disasters, erratic weather and severe weather conditions, globally. its not a question is it happening or not - its the question of measuring its scale and impact.

Certainly it's a question of if what she claims is actually happening. Show me any evidence you have of the "increases" she has claimed over the last decade and how things are any different than they have been at times in the past.


Natural Disasters on Increase – Insurers confirm
"There has been a dramatic increase in frequency and severity of natural disasters, now killing and injuring many millions of people every year and causing mounting economic losses".
- UN Environment Programme (UNEP) director,
former German environment minister
Klaus Topfer, 1999.

Insurance companies, globally, are already feeling the effects of this.

The Rising Cost of Natural Hazards
As recently as the 1950s, the average cost of catastrophic events was a mere $3.9 billion per year. Since 1950, the cost of natural disasters worldwide has increased, dramatically.
Violent weather cost the world a record $89 billion during 1998, more than in all of the 1980s, per the Worldwatch Institute and Munich Re.
Total disaster-related economic losses hit record 232 billion US dollars in 2008, continuing a long-term trend.

On the Rise
"Have climate-related disasters increased? The answer is yes".
- Debarati Guha-Sapir, director of the Center for Research on the Epidemiology of Disasters (CRED).

In a report issued December 1999, Munich Re, the world's largest reinsurer (insurer of insurance companies), noted that the number of natural disasters has increased more than fourfold since the 1950s.

Disasters Quadruple over Last 20 Years: Oxfam
Nov 25, 2007
From 120 disasters a year on average in the early 1980s, to 2007, which alone had 950 – the highest number since Munich Re records began, in 1974.

During the 2000-2009 period, there were 385 disasters on average, an increase of 233% to 1980-1989, and 67% to 1990-1999, according to CRED data.

Weather-related events, such as droughts, storms and floods, have made up the majority of disasters overall, increasing by as much as 350 percent since data was first collected in 1950. Increase of deluges by 57% and droughts by 47% comprises for most of these numbers.
Since the 1980s, Earthquakes, which are not weather-related, have risen by around 50 percent.
- Munich Re in a study with the UNEP

The group acknowledges that we should not be misled by the absence of "mega-disasters", and warns that much more such extremes are to be expected in the future.

Increasing Storms
A rise in the world's ocean temperatures is putting more water vapor into the atmosphere. This provides additional fuel for storms as they travel overland.

Since the 1970s the average number of intense Category 4 and 5 hurricanes that draw their force from the ocean, occurring globally, has nearly doubled, averaging about 18 per year.
In 2005 the hurricane and typhoon season not only broke records, it doubled in ferocity and count.

[compiled by me from various news sources for ZetaMovie-2]

Andrew, look up Nancy's 'science' of "Moon facts" that she touts in saying that the Moon shouldn't appear to rotate as we watch it move across the sky. What she says there is nothing but a pack of lies, Andrew. She misdefines terms and twists them so that people who read and believe her will think that the have been able to see confirmation for themsleves that the Moon is doing something 'wrong'.

The truth is, the Moon HAS to appear to rotate as it crossed the sky. It is utterly NORMAL for it to do that, but it has become Nancy's pet 'proof' that PX is affecting things. It's all a DAMNABLE LIE, Andrew! I'll take you through it sentence by sentence if you want, but you don't WANT that, do you? No... you don't WANT to see the lies in Zetatalk no matter how obvious they are!


Menow, if you think about it, and not just accept everything that science preaches, you see that what Nancy/Zetas say about the rotation of the Moon is very much possible, probable.


If *I* think about it?? How about if *YOU* think about it, hmm? Try real hard, Andrew... Show me. Take Nancy's "Moon facts" page and go through it line by line while you explain it. I DARE you!

Here it is:

[link to www.zetatalk.com]

Now... YOU explain how the Moon isn't supposed to rotate 360 degrees over our heads every 24 hours with all the rest of the sky. You DO know that Earth rotates once every day while the sky holds still, right?

Go right ahead. You have the floor.


per Z's Moon doesnt rotate around its axis, it orbits around the Earth, with its one side constantly 'glued' to Earth

its totally possible, its in fact better explanation than two regular rhythms (rotation around Earth and Moon around its own axis) synched so perfectly that we see one side all the time!

but you all well know this, as you have been debating this to death with mcclareck and Max and ...
awile ago.

per Z's Moon doesnt rotate around its axis, it orbits around the Earth, with its one side constantly 'glued' to Earth