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And YOU'RE just making excuses to explain failures like your master Nancy.





Yes, we know you're a paid shill and that you don't want to engage in substantive conversations. You've proven that over and over again...just like you've proven you aren't a "fence sitter." You don't need to keep telling us what we already know. I just can't figure out why User outed you like that. Did the two of you have a little fight in the cubicle the two of you used to share? Was he mad that he got laid off instead of you?



Has your salary gone up since then? Since getting rid of User, it seems to me she should have more money to pay you...assuming she's still getting gullible people to send her money.

Last Edited by Circuit Breaker on 04/02/2011 11:15 AM

maxipad- you are a fuckin liar, full of bullshit and are absolute scum of the earth, looking up enviously at the whaleshit, politicians and used car salesmen that are as far above you as the moon is above the earths atmosphere....

and thats me being nice and polite about it...

if we we together in person, I'd tell you what I REALLY think of you

>> you are a fuckin liar, full of bullshit and are absolute scum of the earth

Gee - thanks for "pulling that punch".

Boy, you certainly aren't the one to talk about irony. Each one of the false prophets you cling to has failed time and time again...and yet you still cling to them, hoping that maybe, just maybe, they might be right just once.

Uhh - well ... YEA!!!

I AM!!!

What is one to "DO" with a "failure" except LEARN from it. The problem is, you debunkers assume there is only ONE lesson that can be learned from said failures.

That being - there is no valid pre-cognition, and the future is un-discoverable except through scientific study of direct cause and effect.

When in fact, there are MANY other factors to consider. And MANY that do not conform to your version of DOD approved "reality".

Last Edited by **ZetaMax** on 04/02/2011 11:41 AM

you are welcome- believe me I really wanted to say what I really think of you- but unfortunately there arent sufficient words to describe THAT

Except there isn't just ONE failure- as has been shown before many times- nancy LIEder is ALWAYS wrong 100% wrong 100% of the time

Now most people with a single functioning braincell or more would learn from this, but you NEVER do- hence we can only assume you don't have a single functioning braincell or are being paid to promote the zeta crap....

As you seem to be able to `think' after a fashion (I am being nice in granting this ability to you- only because you seem to be able to bash a keyboard and make words come out) one must assume you have at least a single functioning braincell- yet your posting history shows otherwise...

Ah. The date problem. All the self proclaimed channelers, gurus, prophets and doom mongers including Clif and Berkland fall back on this when they fail. If they know nailing down a date is virtually impossible, why do they still give dates?

If you remove the dates from predictions like earthquakes in known earthquake zones, you don't even have a prediction, you are only repeating what scientists have said for ages.

Big quake in California, the scientists say it could happen 10 minutes from now or 20 years from now. The fake prophets say big quake on April 23, and when it doesn't happen on April 23, doom tards like Max defend them. It didn't happen on the date they predicted, but it will happen, dates are hard to pin down, blah blah blah.

I prefer to listen to the men and women that actually know about these things, people that actually know how to read seismographs and know how to interpret decades of data following scientific procedures.

It looks to me like these charlatans take scientific findings and add dates because there is a small chance they will be right and that will convince the gullible to stroke their egos and open their wallets. It's all about ego and money to people like that.

I wonder if Max would be so forgiving if he put his faith and his money behind a financial planner that is always wrong when it comes to investing Max's hard earned savings. How many times would he still be willing to follow the advice of someone who fails 100% of the time. Would he find a new advisor or would he continue to give the first one the benefit of the doubt until forced into bankrupcy?

Looks like Laura is definitely a peer of Nancy's then, since they share an almost statistically impossible inaccuracy track record of being wrong 100% of the time. Pot, meet kettle.

I might get into this guessing game- if I flip a coin and if its heads, then a major earthquake happens somewhere, then the first time I get it right ahead of nancy LIEder and her ilk will actually be behind me in accuracy

That's what gets me about maxipad and his constant brown tonguing of nancy (ugggghhh what a thought)

It's not as if she's been right occasionally and this time got it wrong..

She's never- ever- got a single prediction right- even the obvious ones she manages to fk it up and ends up wrong!!!!


Even if she was flipping a coin and going by heads or tails for doom or no doom.... she should have at least gotten SOMETHING right by now!

It takes a particular level of sheer incompetence to get it wrong as often as she does- a mind numbing amount of `DOH' to be so inept


(no wonder maxipad has such a hard time- ii must be difficult living `up'(or `down' as the rest of us know it as) to his idol's standards- no one that's actually breathing could emulate her `ability' to forecast the future so `accurately'...)

DoD approved reality? LOL! You truly are delusional. Whatever my reality is has NOTHING to do with what the DoD tells me. It's based on my own observations. That said, if there is a "DoD approved reality"...it's certainly better than the "Nancy Lieder approved reality" you've chosen to believe in.

Remember when Loser attacked "debunkers" for supposedly not knowing how the scientific method worked and yet he abandoned it whenever that method showed how he, Nancy and any supporter of ZetaTalk was wrong?

Yeah, funny how the Luser disappeared when Nancy left, and he doesn't seem to be at the ning either. There is so much I don't miss about him. In fact, there is nothing I miss about him.

Ok - so KIR actually offers a "little" substantive feedback.

Thank you for that (take NOTE CB!)

The "date problem" is twofold. One, it really is a legitimate problem when it comes to pre-cognitive material. Two, people generally completely dismiss pre-cognitive material UNLESS it has a DATE.

I'm as guilty of that as the next person.

But after 29 years of para-normal studies, I have to conclude that the "date problem" is one not likely to be solved. Perhaps because it might not have a "resolution".
Christ said we wouldn't know the "hour". But he DIDN'T say we couldn't know the "day" or "week" or "month" or "year" or "decade" ...

Point being, that without some form of DATE, a prediction becomes - not wrong - but irrelevant.

But it's interesting to note, that while Ed Dames says he has not solved the "date" problem, he HAS solved (or so he says) the "location" and "sequencing" problems.

***IF TRUE*** then that is indeed an important development. He says NEW MADRID will be the next BIG quake to take thousands of lives in the world. Since 8+ sized quakes are now happening at least every other month now, it is safe to speculate that IF this were to happen, it is likely to happen by the end of MAY.

So even though I don't have a DATE - I think I do have a TIME-FRAME.

So - the next DOOM DEADLINE is now JUNE 1st. If New Madrid doesn't happen by then, OR, an eight or bigger quake happens elsewhere that is NOT New Madrid, then I will have FAILED again!!

If so, then the DREADED "OP" of this thread gets to choose both my NAME and AVATAR PICTURE that I will where for a full MONTH.

Last Edited by **ZetaMax** on 04/02/2011 12:44 PM

What good is a vague prediction? Where were all these self proclaimed seers before the Japan quake? Forget the date. They didn't even see the event, and it is the biggest event since 2004, and by the way, nobody here or on any other site I know of saw that one coming either, but as soon as it happened, forums were full of people predicting the next one. I remember one in particular that insisted there would be a 10.0 in India. Everyone was having dreams about tsunamis and quakes and volcanos. Everyone thought they were being given warnings in dreams and "feelings". I remember one group on another site was convinced they could predict quakes by the pitch of the ringing in their ears. Of course none of those after the big one predictions happened. The frenzy petered out after a few months, and now we are seeing the same thing with the Japan quake.

It begs the question. Why is there an increase in cataclysm dreams AFTER a big event but not BEFORE. Hmmmmmm. Perhaps the nature of dreams is to process data from the awake time, to work through fears and issues that are hard to deal with in the waking state.

from memory- he left a bit before nancy did

And it's not surprising he's not posting- his increasingly incoherent and abusive style here was probably mirrored in his real life interactions

He's probably enjoying a nice relax at a place that caters for his particular style of personality

They got a really nifty new line in before, during and after dinner jackets

white and with wrap around sleeves....

OK - here is a "not" so "vague" prediction. It's funny how psychics say they can see other people's futures, but not their own.

Yet, the two times I actually had dreams come true, was the two times I was fired from jobs. In both cases I had VIVID dreams of being dismissed about eight months before the event happened. In the first instance, the dismissal occurred almost EXACTLY as I saw it in the dream, right down to outfit worn by the HR person doing the exit interview. The second one also happened, though it didn't have the same level of precision and vividness. BUT - the important point, is that in both dreams I was made aware that the firings WERE GOING TO HAPPEN and that there was nothing I could do about them. In both cases the dreams represented decisions ALREADY MADE, but because of purely bureaucratic restraints, and knowledge transfer considerations, the actual departure date was months away. Immediately following the dreams, I could actually watch in the real time the wheels toward my dismissal turn - the lack of new projects, being asked to train a new "backup" person, etc. In both cases when the day arrived, I was not in the LEAST surprised, and in fact was fully expecting it - each time.

Now - just so you know, I've been in my current job more than two years, and the latest review was STELLAR - I got one of the highest ratings in all of IT. So before you go jumping to conclusions about my "competancy" - consider that.

The places I was dismissed from were both TRADING FIRMS - both places behaving in ways I didn't really approve of. It was inevitable that the principles would eventually recognize my "lack of enthusiasm" and predictably move to replace me. I stayed in spite of seeing the hand-writing on the wall, well - because the money WAS SO GOOD.

Today I make a third LESS than I made while working in the trading industry - but BOY do I sleep a LOT better these days (and get home a lot earlier too!!) I do miss the money, but NOT the environment, the demands, and the STRESS.

I'm going to take a break now, but I have one more "vision" to share with you. One that has "yet" to materialize ...

Last Edited by **ZetaMax** on 04/02/2011 01:06 PM

Yeah, we all have predictive dreams of a personal nature. It is because the subconscious knows where the current path will lead, and by your own account, the nature of the job made you compromise your principles. It was inevitable that it would end the way it did. On some level, you knew it when you accepted the job.

Our dreams are usually personal. Even when the context within the dream suggests otherwise. A raging volcano usually symbolizes pent up anger, or an issue that is coming to a head.

That said, I have had predictive dreams. I dreamed the death of a friend hours before it happened. I dreamed the earthquake I was personally affected by in Mexico City two days prior. But in both cases I was personally affected, and my subconscious kicked in.

I have also had dreams of storms, earthquakes etc that had nothing to do with coming disasters. They were indications of what was brewing in my own subconscious. Whenever I have that sort of dream, it is an indication to me that I need to get out in the wilderness and commune with nature and meditate.

I am thinking that you think that anyone here would `believe' your `canadian' word that this is actually what happened

;-)

Oh sorry I was confusing you with that OTHER congenital liar LUSER

It's hard to tell you apart, you both fabricate your own truths , lie constantly and generally no-one believes a word you say
The only difference is that you are more polite that our anadian friend....


Both of you have a credibility rating that's gone past zero and is now in negative numbers...

ie if you(maxipad) said the sun rose in the east- I'd want it confirmed a half dozen different ways- then if what you said was true, I'd wonder what your angle was.....

because no one believes a single word you say is anything resembling the truth...

Are you "suggesting" that I have a "credibility" problem?

I've given you substantive responses before and you know it. Usually, though, discussing anything with you is a waste of time because you just offer up more excuses, push the goalposts back and call people paid shills when things aren't going your way.

As KIR pointed out - what good is a prediction with no dates? I can grant someone a window of time - but how much time? If someone says, "There's going to be a major earthquake in Southern CA with the epicenter located near Palm Springs on May 5" and it happens +/- a day...I'll probably give it to them if the location was correct. But that's the problem - many prophets are rather vague with their predictions and there's a reason for that. Look what happened to Nancy when she said "Planet X" was going to cause a "pole shift" on May 15, 2003? She had to move the date to May 27th. When that didn't happen, it was supposed to happen by June 1st. When THAT failed, she had to come out with the "white lie." And it's pretty obvious that it was just an excuse because she and the "Zetas" continued to tell people it was going to happen in May regardless of the fact that several other key indicators FAILED TO HAPPEN such as "Planet X" being undeniable in sky by April or slowing rotation. When you consider those facts, the "white lie" is laughable at best...which we know states the false date was given to protect the common man from the government. Does Nancy think the government is that stupid? Assuming they truly were using ZetaTalk as their source of information about "Planet X"...they'd also notice that these precursor events were failing to happen and realize that everything the "Zetas" said was false and, therefore, wouldn't even bother trying to entrap anyone like Nancy claimed they would. In fact, she claims the "white lie" did work. But how can she claim that? There were no military units on call here in the U.S. just waiting to block off access to escape routes. There were no travel restrictions at all! Also take in to account that IF "Planet X" were actually undeniable in the sky and it really did look like a "pole shift" was imminent...the U.S. government doesn't have the manpower or the ability to control MILLIONS of people...regardless of what Nancy thinks and says. Why would I, or anyone else, feel threatened by someone with a gun when we're going to die anyway from some "pole shift?" And even if they did start shooting, they couldn't shoot everyone before they were overpowered. That's why her "white lie" is nothing more than an excuse. And the fact that her blind followers can't apply a little logic to it and see as I just did shows how stupid they truly are.

Actually, it was FreeStore that gave his Canadian word...which we all know is worth ZERO.

Suggesting you have a credibility problem???


NO



Not at all....


I am SAYING you couldn't lie straight in bed


You have as much credibility as a hooker claiming she's a virgin

You have zero/ziltch/zip credibility.....

I am `suggesting' nothing...

HOLY FUCKING SHIT THIS IS A LONG ASS THREAD

My bad- all three are so similar, I get confused which is the liar I am thinking about....


thanks to Circuit Breaker for unmixing which liar I was thinking about...

Thank you for that thoughtful response. Mostly I agree with you. I too have had "storm" dreams - often tornados - that I knew represented "some other problem".

BUT ... one early morning almost three years ago, I was in that mental state just between "waking and sleeping" - where you are becoming of aware of you surroundings, can hear vehicles outside, birds chirping, etc. - yet, your eyes are still closed, and you might even be finishing up a "dream". I was on my back, in my bed, and in that "coming awake" state when "IT" happened ...

Immediately I found myself walking in the middle of an earthquake DESTROYED ***CHICAGO***. The entire city was one complete and total unrecoverable disaster area. There was six inches of glass beneath my feet as I walked down the CENTER of the street. There was NO ONE around anywhere - the entire downtown area was completely deserted. Yet, the devastation was not "dirty" or "weathered" so I knew the disaster had just happened at least weeks before. The sun was shining brightly, and there was not a cloud in the sky. The temperature was in the seventies, and I could feel the warmth on my back. (This was what was SO unusual about this "vision" - was the INTENSITY of the experience - it REALLY WAS like being there). I *KNEW* it was late Spring - how I knew I don't know, but I certainly didn't question the impression at the time.

The city was completely DESTROYED. EVERY building was damaged to the point were repair was not possible - either structurally or financially. Nearly every building was in some state of total or partial collapse. The Sears Tower was LITERALLY broken in half. About half way up the tower, at one of its transition levels, the transiton girders (the first level of the smaller perimeter) buckled on the left side (from my perspective) and the top half of the build literally fell over and landed on other structures. Unlike 9-11, IT DID NOT PANCAKE, but fell just like a chopped tree.

I could see everything in EXTRAORDINARY detail. The broken glass, the broken stone, the dangling signs, exposed wires, you name it. It was a TRULY unforgettable five minutes (or so it felt altogether) view of the "post event".

When the vision ended, I had a VERY strong thought that it would happen in TWO YEARS.

Well - two years was "last" spring - so I've run headlong into the "date" problem again.

But never before nor since have I EVER experienced such a vivid and realistic vision/experience (not just vision, because it involved all the senses. The wind was blowing softly and a broken sign was banging against a building). I could FEEL the glass crunching beneath my feet [yes I had shoes on!] The one sense I was spared of was "smell". I'd have to imagine that in reality, there would be an overpowering smell of rot, and burnt material, and chemical spills. Thankfully I was "spared" that level of "detail".

It was truly an UNFORGETTABLE experience, and one that got my attention BIG TIME.

OK - so the date is off. But I don't feel like the DANGER is at ALL. And now coming across the prediction by Ed Dames, the Nikki "Psychic to the Stars" and her prediction of big Chicago quake, and then Clif with his "North America --separating--" quake that too is supposedly IMMINENT, has got me a bit "on edge". I live 80 miles outside of Chicago, so such a quake would certainly wreak havoc on my personal "domain" as well. In fact I made the decision just YESTERDAY to order and install an earthquake shutoff valve for the gas line to my house. Granted, in a 9.0+ (which is what it would take to damage the city as bad as I saw it) quake, my house would almost certainly become uninhabitable, but I don't need FIRE destroying all my personal possessions as well.

You talked about dreams being "personal" - well, a TRASHED Chicago would be about as PERSONAL as you can get!!

Last Edited by **ZetaMax** on 04/02/2011 01:56 PM

Or it could just be your subconscious telling you that there is nothing for you in Chicago, maybe you were using the imagery to depict the decadence of a big city, maybe it was your own inner voice telling you that anything you build up there won't be permanent. Maybe that was the message you were supposed to "get", but have not explored because you are too busy waiting for an improbable earthquake there soooooon.

As for the dreams I had, when I had them they were not unlike any other dreams I ever had. I dream very visually and in detail. Nothing set those two dreams apart from the rest. It didn't even enter my mind that my friend might actually die or that a big quake would level my apartment building. It was only after the fact that I made the connection, so there really was no point in knowing ahead of time. It did creep me out though, but it was explained to me by a wise man I knew that the divisions of time are illusions of our every day awareness. He also told me not to read too much into them. He said the only lesson to be learned was that we know more on a subconscious level than the conscious mind suspects, but that it is almost impossible to use the insight of the subconscious in our every day lives. He said lots of people lose their way and even their sanity trying in vain to accomplish it.

True. And for the most part I abide by that philosophy. After all, I had the dream nearly three years ago, and did absolutely nothing in response to it until literally "yesterday" when I purchased the earthquake gas shut-off valve. Since one of these cost less than a hundred dollars, I don't think it's a "silly" thing to do - considering we had an actual "quake" here last fall that knocked down stacked boxes in my barn, and set my daughter's electronic motion-activated toys off. I may take a water filter to work with me, in case I get "stuck" downtown and have to walk 80 miles back home through who knows how much damage?

I have experience with that by the way. On 9-11 I had to walk the full 10 miles back to my apartment in New Jersey. The only "ride" I got was the ferry that took me across the Hudson. Even on the Jersey side, roads were closed and buses weren't running.

But other than that, I carry on like everyone else.

Last Edited by **ZetaMax** on 04/02/2011 04:03 PM