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Astronut Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 1351037 United States 04/21/2011 01:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well GUESS WHAT!!!???? It's amateurs who can see this thing through their personal equipment DOING THE SCREAMING. Who do you think is sounding the alarm on this???? Quoting: **ZetaMax**Really? Please find, point out, link, or otherwise indicate any serious discussion taking place on the *thousands* of internet amateur astronomy forums showing that amateur astronomers are worried about Elenin doing ANYTHING nefarious to Earth. Thanks, so much. +1000000000000000000000000 |
Astronut Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 1351037 United States 04/21/2011 01:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | >> The woo-woos are clueless about real astronomy, they don't realize, or they refuse to acknowledge, that most comets receive no media attention at all. Quoting: **ZetaMax**Nonsense - of course I'm aware that "most" comets do not get, and do not warrant media attention. Good, then you realize that this comet does not yet warrant significant MSM attention. Who's been harping (Pun intended) for years "if PX was real, every amateur in the world would be screaming about it". Quoting: zmWell GUESS WHAT!!!???? It's amateurs who can see this thing through their personal equipment DOING THE SCREAMING. Who do you think is sounding the alarm on this???? As 74444 asked, show us where amateur astronomers who are imaging Elenin claim it's something to be worried about, let alone that it's "planet x." Last Edited by Astromut on 04/21/2011 01:44 PM |
KeepingItReal User ID: 1038225 Canada 04/21/2011 01:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You could show Max a thousand blog and forum links where amateurs are following the comet with interest and where nobody is saying there is anything remarkable about this comet, but Max will manage to find a youtube video or an "article" on some woo woo site by an anonymous person with no provable credentials that says the contrary and he will choose that one to believe because it resonates with his own preconceptions. Max doesn't care about truth. He is unable to let go of what he thinks or hopes is true to see what really is true. He just can't bear the thought that he may be wrong, that Nancy, Clif, and every other charlatan he subscribes to is yanking his chain for profit and fame. Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak. |
**ZetaMax** User ID: 659599 United States 04/21/2011 02:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You could show Max a thousand blog and forum links where amateurs are following the comet with interest and where nobody is saying there is anything remarkable about this comet, but Max will manage to find a youtube video or an "article" on some woo woo site by an anonymous person with no provable credentials that says the contrary and he will choose that one to believe because it resonates with his own preconceptions. Max doesn't care about truth. He is unable to let go of what he thinks or hopes is true to see what really is true. He just can't bear the thought that he may be wrong, that Nancy, Clif, and every other charlatan he subscribes to is yanking his chain for profit and fame. Quoting: KeepingItRealElenin "totally" debunked as of February 19, 2011. Oh - but didn't we have a 9.1 quake in Japan on March 11th? Oh yea! WE DID!!! |
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**ZetaMax** User ID: 659599 United States 04/21/2011 02:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | >> The woo-woos are clueless about real astronomy, they don't realize, or they refuse to acknowledge, that most comets receive no media attention at all. Quoting: **ZetaMax**Nonsense - of course I'm aware that "most" comets do not get, and do not warrant media attention. Good, then you realize that this comet does not yet warrant significant MSM attention. Who's been harping (Pun intended) for years "if PX was real, every amateur in the world would be screaming about it". Quoting: zmWell GUESS WHAT!!!???? It's amateurs who can see this thing through their personal equipment DOING THE SCREAMING. Who do you think is sounding the alarm on this???? As 74444 asked, show us where amateur astronomers who are imaging Elenin claim it's something to be worried about, let alone that it's "planet x." You asked for it - I *deliver*: [link to sydneystargazers.com] |
**ZetaMax** User ID: 659599 United States 04/21/2011 02:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Elenin "totally" debunked as of February 19, 2011. Quoting: **ZetaMax**Oh - but didn't we have a 9.1 quake in Japan on March 11th? Oh yea! WE DID!!! And an earthquake on the Ring of Fire is proof of "external forces" how? You forgot the "ONE OF THE BIGGEST EARTHQUAKES IN RECORDED HISTORY" part. Last Edited by **ZetaMax** on 04/21/2011 03:05 PM |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 96644 United States 04/21/2011 03:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Who's been harping (Pun intended) for years "if PX was real, every amateur in the world would be screaming about it". Quoting: AstronutWell GUESS WHAT!!!???? It's amateurs who can see this thing through their personal equipment DOING THE SCREAMING. Who do you think is sounding the alarm on this???? Who's "screaming". Being an amateur astronomer active in several clubs and subscribing to all the magazines, I've seen very little about it. It's just another of the dozens of comets that can be observed each year. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1167045 United States 04/21/2011 03:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Quoting: **ZetaMax** And how does that qualify as an amateur astronomer saying there is anything to worry about? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 96644 United States 04/21/2011 03:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | >> The woo-woos are clueless about real astronomy, they don't realize, or they refuse to acknowledge, that most comets receive no media attention at all. Quoting: **ZetaMax**Nonsense - of course I'm aware that "most" comets do not get, and do not warrant media attention. Good, then you realize that this comet does not yet warrant significant MSM attention. Who's been harping (Pun intended) for years "if PX was real, every amateur in the world would be screaming about it". Quoting: zmWell GUESS WHAT!!!???? It's amateurs who can see this thing through their personal equipment DOING THE SCREAMING. Who do you think is sounding the alarm on this???? As 74444 asked, show us where amateur astronomers who are imaging Elenin claim it's something to be worried about, let alone that it's "planet x." You asked for it - I *deliver*: [link to sydneystargazers.com] I'll bet the real astronomers in the club are laughing their asses off at that post! |
**ZetaMax** User ID: 659599 United States 04/21/2011 03:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Who's been harping (Pun intended) for years "if PX was real, every amateur in the world would be screaming about it". Quoting: AstronutWell GUESS WHAT!!!???? It's amateurs who can see this thing through their personal equipment DOING THE SCREAMING. Who do you think is sounding the alarm on this???? Who's "screaming". Being an amateur astronomer active in several clubs and subscribing to all the magazines, I've seen very little about it. It's just another of the dozens of comets that can be observed each year. Then how come all the noise is being made about *this* one - and not the other "dozens"?? Could THIS be the reason: Thread: ELENIN SIZE ---------HUGE (Page 7) 3 JANUARY 2011 03:40 AM THE OBJECT WAS AT 545 000 000 KM FROM EARTH AND ITS SIZE WAS ABOUT 1-2 SECONDS OF ANGULAR DIAMETER THAN : HIS REAL DIAMETER = 545 000 000 (TAN 0,0005555)=5279 KM HUGE BUT IF WE MAKE A MISTAKE OF 100 000 000 KM AND THE OBJECT IS ABOUT 0.5 ARCOSEC. (IMPOSSIBLE)THE CALCULATION IS 650 000 000 (TAN 0.00013888)= 1575 KM HUGE !!!!!!!!!!!!(BUT ISNT 0,5 ARCOSECOND) EVEN IF THE DISTANCE WAS ONLY 350 000 000 KM (IMPOSSIBLE) AND THE OBJECT ANGULAR DIAMETER WAS ABOUT 0,5 ARCOSEC. (IMPOSSIBLE) HIS REAL DIAMETER IS : D=350 000 000 (TAN 0.00013888)= 848 KM HUGE !!!!!!!!(BUT THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE) DO U UNDERSTAND WHAT I MEAN ??????????? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1286460 5279 km = 3280.218 mi. 1575 km = 978.659 mi. 848 km = 526.922 mi. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 96644 United States 04/21/2011 03:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Then how come all the noise is being made about *this* one - and not the other "dozens"?? Quoting: **ZetaMax**What "noise"? Show me one single astronomical article, even from the amateur imaging groups, who is saying that it is at all unusual. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 96644 United States 04/21/2011 03:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Who's been harping (Pun intended) for years "if PX was real, every amateur in the world would be screaming about it". Quoting: AstronutWell GUESS WHAT!!!???? It's amateurs who can see this thing through their personal equipment DOING THE SCREAMING. Who do you think is sounding the alarm on this???? Who's "screaming". Being an amateur astronomer active in several clubs and subscribing to all the magazines, I've seen very little about it. It's just another of the dozens of comets that can be observed each year. Then how come all the noise is being made about *this* one - and not the other "dozens"?? Could THIS be the reason: Thread: ELENIN SIZE ---------HUGE (Page 7) 3 JANUARY 2011 03:40 AM THE OBJECT WAS AT 545 000 000 KM FROM EARTH AND ITS SIZE WAS ABOUT 1-2 SECONDS OF ANGULAR DIAMETER THAN : HIS REAL DIAMETER = 545 000 000 (TAN 0,0005555)=5279 KM HUGE BUT IF WE MAKE A MISTAKE OF 100 000 000 KM AND THE OBJECT IS ABOUT 0.5 ARCOSEC. (IMPOSSIBLE)THE CALCULATION IS 650 000 000 (TAN 0.00013888)= 1575 KM HUGE !!!!!!!!!!!!(BUT ISNT 0,5 ARCOSECOND) EVEN IF THE DISTANCE WAS ONLY 350 000 000 KM (IMPOSSIBLE) AND THE OBJECT ANGULAR DIAMETER WAS ABOUT 0,5 ARCOSEC. (IMPOSSIBLE) HIS REAL DIAMETER IS : D=350 000 000 (TAN 0.00013888)= 848 KM HUGE !!!!!!!!(BUT THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE) DO U UNDERSTAND WHAT I MEAN ??????????? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1286460 5279 km = 3280.218 mi. 1575 km = 978.659 mi. 848 km = 526.922 mi. Max, the above is complete gibberish. Or don't you know enough to realize that? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 96644 United States 04/21/2011 03:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You exhibit your absolute ignorance of basic astronomy with almost every post. No wonder you're so easily taken in by others who know as little about the subject as you do. |
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Menow User ID: 1325407 United States 04/21/2011 03:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What you don't seem to be able to accept, is that conspiracy theories can be a bigger conspiracy than the 'elite' you are braying about. How can you not see that after all the lies Nancy has been caught in? Quoting: **ZetaMax**Consider that a little free wisdom for you to ponder. You're suggesting the "collage" of conspiracy theories is itself a "conspiracy"??? Or are you trying to suggest that the wide-ranging genre of conspiracy theories generates its own kind of supra "urban legend" reality that in a feedback loop kind-of-way lends illegitimate "validity" to the notion of "conspiracy theory"? Because otherwise you're suggesting that conspiracy theories are the product of some form of "super"-conspiracy - and I would find that suggestion on your part "surprising" to say the least. Unless of course you're referring to discarnates, and you have professed that you find the existence of intelligent discarnates "credible" - though completely untrustworthy. Are you suggesting "they" are the "conspirators"??? Most of the above. I suggest you ponder it on your own, rather than shrieking questions at me. |
**ZetaMax** User ID: 659599 United States 04/21/2011 04:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sure...and I'll throw in $1000 to boot. Will you do the same if it doesn't? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 96644No - we'll stick with "steak". Of course the way things are going, the steak itself may cost $1000 by the time January 1st gets here! -or- if Elenin is PX, the currency will almost certainly collapse, and $1000 won't even buy a greasy hamburger made from a five year old can of Alpo. Last Edited by **ZetaMax** on 04/21/2011 04:06 PM |
**ZetaMax** User ID: 659599 United States 04/21/2011 04:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What you don't seem to be able to accept, is that conspiracy theories can be a bigger conspiracy than the 'elite' you are braying about. How can you not see that after all the lies Nancy has been caught in? Quoting: **ZetaMax**Consider that a little free wisdom for you to ponder. You're suggesting the "collage" of conspiracy theories is itself a "conspiracy"??? Or are you trying to suggest that the wide-ranging genre of conspiracy theories generates its own kind of supra "urban legend" reality that in a feedback loop kind-of-way lends illegitimate "validity" to the notion of "conspiracy theory"? Because otherwise you're suggesting that conspiracy theories are the product of some form of "super"-conspiracy - and I would find that suggestion on your part "surprising" to say the least. Unless of course you're referring to discarnates, and you have professed that you find the existence of intelligent discarnates "credible" - though completely untrustworthy. Are you suggesting "they" are the "conspirators"??? Most of the above. I suggest you ponder it on your own, rather than shrieking questions at me. It would be nice if you point out the 'not' most part. Thank you. |
Menow User ID: 1325407 United States 04/21/2011 04:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What you don't seem to be able to accept, is that conspiracy theories can be a bigger conspiracy than the 'elite' you are braying about. How can you not see that after all the lies Nancy has been caught in? Quoting: **ZetaMax**Consider that a little free wisdom for you to ponder. You're suggesting the "collage" of conspiracy theories is itself a "conspiracy"??? Or are you trying to suggest that the wide-ranging genre of conspiracy theories generates its own kind of supra "urban legend" reality that in a feedback loop kind-of-way lends illegitimate "validity" to the notion of "conspiracy theory"? Because otherwise you're suggesting that conspiracy theories are the product of some form of "super"-conspiracy - and I would find that suggestion on your part "surprising" to say the least. Unless of course you're referring to discarnates, and you have professed that you find the existence of intelligent discarnates "credible" - though completely untrustworthy. Are you suggesting "they" are the "conspirators"??? Most of the above. I suggest you ponder it on your own, rather than shrieking questions at me. It would be nice if you point out the 'not' most part. Thank you. No. Thank you. |
**ZetaMax** User ID: 659599 United States 04/21/2011 04:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What you don't seem to be able to accept, is that conspiracy theories can be a bigger conspiracy than the 'elite' you are braying about. How can you not see that after all the lies Nancy has been caught in? Quoting: **ZetaMax**Consider that a little free wisdom for you to ponder. You're suggesting the "collage" of conspiracy theories is itself a "conspiracy"??? Or are you trying to suggest that the wide-ranging genre of conspiracy theories generates its own kind of supra "urban legend" reality that in a feedback loop kind-of-way lends illegitimate "validity" to the notion of "conspiracy theory"? Because otherwise you're suggesting that conspiracy theories are the product of some form of "super"-conspiracy - and I would find that suggestion on your part "surprising" to say the least. Unless of course you're referring to discarnates, and you have professed that you find the existence of intelligent discarnates "credible" - though completely untrustworthy. Are you suggesting "they" are the "conspirators"??? Most of the above. I suggest you ponder it on your own, rather than shrieking questions at me. It would be nice if you point out the 'not' most part. Thank you. No. Thank you. And you wonder why I behave "badly" - because it makes no difference in the way I'm treated. If you're locked in a china shop with no out - why *not* entertain yourself by breaking the china? I've written you off as a conversation partner a long time ago - so trust me, you're *games* do not bother me. I can always try anew, but you know what they say "It takes two to tango". |
bob_909 User ID: 1336472 United States 04/21/2011 04:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | did anyone else catch this- is nancy trying to get the ningtards to sneak back in to get the numbers up?? Quoting: a 763624 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1338855 wouldn't surprise me, since Indonesia sank into the sea and the airport is now 80ft underwater as per her prediction...(whispers from off stage) sorry apparently planes are still flying in and out of Indonesia daily, so the airport cant be under 80ft of water... making her prediction completely wrong, altho it does maintain her 100% accuracy rating nancy LIEder 100% wrong 100% of the time I'm really trying to figure out why people are so freaked out by this comet. Comets have come through the solar system on an almost regular schedule. I guess these people still have dominant Neanderthal genes thinking that comets are harbingers of doom. They probably still throw rocks towards the moon whenever they see it. If people don't understand what it is, they get freaked out. They think that because of it's close approach C/2010 X1 is going to cause havoc. However, there have been comets in the recent past that have come closer to the Earth. “Fear always springs from ignorance” - Ralph Waldo Emerson |
**ZetaMax** User ID: 659599 United States 04/21/2011 04:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | did anyone else catch this- is nancy trying to get the ningtards to sneak back in to get the numbers up?? Quoting: a 763624 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1338855 wouldn't surprise me, since Indonesia sank into the sea and the airport is now 80ft underwater as per her prediction...(whispers from off stage) sorry apparently planes are still flying in and out of Indonesia daily, so the airport cant be under 80ft of water... making her prediction completely wrong, altho it does maintain her 100% accuracy rating nancy LIEder 100% wrong 100% of the time I'm really trying to figure out why people are so freaked out by this comet. Comets have come through the solar system on an almost regular schedule. I guess these people still have dominant Neanderthal genes thinking that comets are harbingers of doom. They probably still throw rocks towards the moon whenever they see it. If people don't understand what it is, they get freaked out. They think that because of it's close approach C/2010 X1 is going to cause havoc. However, there have been comets in the recent past that have come closer to the Earth. Silly - almost no one is worried if Elenin is really just your 'run-of-the-mill' comet. Any worry will either be short-lived or explode beyond all comprehension as Elenin gets closer and we can all know beyond doubt what it REALLY is. |
bob_909 User ID: 1336472 United States 04/21/2011 04:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Who's been harping (Pun intended) for years "if PX was real, every amateur in the world would be screaming about it". Quoting: AstronutWell GUESS WHAT!!!???? It's amateurs who can see this thing through their personal equipment DOING THE SCREAMING. Who do you think is sounding the alarm on this???? Who's "screaming". Being an amateur astronomer active in several clubs and subscribing to all the magazines, I've seen very little about it. It's just another of the dozens of comets that can be observed each year. Then how come all the noise is being made about *this* one - and not the other "dozens"?? Could THIS be the reason: Thread: ELENIN SIZE ---------HUGE (Page 7) 3 JANUARY 2011 03:40 AM THE OBJECT WAS AT 545 000 000 KM FROM EARTH AND ITS SIZE WAS ABOUT 1-2 SECONDS OF ANGULAR DIAMETER THAN : HIS REAL DIAMETER = 545 000 000 (TAN 0,0005555)=5279 KM HUGE BUT IF WE MAKE A MISTAKE OF 100 000 000 KM AND THE OBJECT IS ABOUT 0.5 ARCOSEC. (IMPOSSIBLE)THE CALCULATION IS 650 000 000 (TAN 0.00013888)= 1575 KM HUGE !!!!!!!!!!!!(BUT ISNT 0,5 ARCOSECOND) EVEN IF THE DISTANCE WAS ONLY 350 000 000 KM (IMPOSSIBLE) AND THE OBJECT ANGULAR DIAMETER WAS ABOUT 0,5 ARCOSEC. (IMPOSSIBLE) HIS REAL DIAMETER IS : D=350 000 000 (TAN 0.00013888)= 848 KM HUGE !!!!!!!!(BUT THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE) DO U UNDERSTAND WHAT I MEAN ??????????? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1286460 5279 km = 3280.218 mi. 1575 km = 978.659 mi. 848 km = 526.922 mi. You don't understand what he's posting, do you? I bet you don't understand the difference between the nucleus and the coma. “Fear always springs from ignorance” - Ralph Waldo Emerson |
**ZetaMax** User ID: 659599 United States 04/21/2011 04:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: **ZetaMax**Who's "screaming". Being an amateur astronomer active in several clubs and subscribing to all the magazines, I've seen very little about it. It's just another of the dozens of comets that can be observed each year. Then how come all the noise is being made about *this* one - and not the other "dozens"?? Could THIS be the reason: Thread: ELENIN SIZE ---------HUGE (Page 7) 3 JANUARY 2011 03:40 AM THE OBJECT WAS AT 545 000 000 KM FROM EARTH AND ITS SIZE WAS ABOUT 1-2 SECONDS OF ANGULAR DIAMETER THAN : HIS REAL DIAMETER = 545 000 000 (TAN 0,0005555)=5279 KM HUGE BUT IF WE MAKE A MISTAKE OF 100 000 000 KM AND THE OBJECT IS ABOUT 0.5 ARCOSEC. (IMPOSSIBLE)THE CALCULATION IS 650 000 000 (TAN 0.00013888)= 1575 KM HUGE !!!!!!!!!!!!(BUT ISNT 0,5 ARCOSECOND) EVEN IF THE DISTANCE WAS ONLY 350 000 000 KM (IMPOSSIBLE) AND THE OBJECT ANGULAR DIAMETER WAS ABOUT 0,5 ARCOSEC. (IMPOSSIBLE) HIS REAL DIAMETER IS : D=350 000 000 (TAN 0.00013888)= 848 KM HUGE !!!!!!!!(BUT THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE) DO U UNDERSTAND WHAT I MEAN ??????????? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1286460 5279 km = 3280.218 mi. 1575 km = 978.659 mi. 848 km = 526.922 mi. You don't understand what he's posting, do you? I bet you don't understand the difference between the nucleus and the coma. The nucleus is what Bruce Willis was drilling in the movie "Armageddon". A coma is the current state of your brain activity. Last Edited by **ZetaMax** on 04/21/2011 04:53 PM |
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The Lone Ranger (OP) User ID: 1350860 New Zealand 04/21/2011 05:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm really trying to figure out why people are so freaked out by this comet. Comets have come through the solar system on an almost regular schedule. I guess these people still have dominant Neanderthal genes thinking that comets are harbingers of doom. They probably still throw rocks towards the moon whenever they see it. Quoting: Circuit BreakerAnd it sounds like it may not even be visible by the naked eye. Nothing spectacular at all about it. And the woo-woos keep asking why it isn't getting covered by the MSM? Maybe because there is nothing special about it? I have been seriously over the people out there, GLP included, who have been making an issue over comet Elenin where none really exists. The best example Imo of contrived doom, by some of these folk, is the reference to the comet's name.....Extinction Level Event Nibiru Is Near. Clever I guess but at the same time very laughable. Last Edited by The Lone Ranger on 04/21/2011 06:19 PM Life Is But A Dream!! Therefore, "'Tis better to have dreamed and lost than never to have dreamed at all." ------------------------------------ Disclaimer: DON'T BELIEVE A DAMN WORD YOU READ ON THIS THREAD!....USE DISCERNMENT!! |
The Lone Ranger (OP) User ID: 1350860 New Zealand 04/21/2011 06:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Elenin "totally" debunked as of February 19, 2011. Quoting: **ZetaMax**Oh - but didn't we have a 9.1 quake in Japan on March 11th? Oh yea! WE DID!!! And an earthquake on the Ring of Fire is proof of "external forces" how? ZM has lost ALL touch with reality. It is OFFICIAL!! Last Edited by The Lone Ranger on 04/21/2011 06:19 PM Life Is But A Dream!! Therefore, "'Tis better to have dreamed and lost than never to have dreamed at all." ------------------------------------ Disclaimer: DON'T BELIEVE A DAMN WORD YOU READ ON THIS THREAD!....USE DISCERNMENT!! |