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Interesting. A good excuse for not having to deal with the fact the Jakarta still isn't underwater...

Right. And falling for Nancy's and Cliff's bullshit makes you "enlightened".

I'm starting to think that 50% of GLP is trolls like Maxie and Volar and that new guy who has that thread about the sun. Then there are a handfull of debunkers and the rest are just gullible idiots who prefer Youtube as their source for "scientific" information. It's truly pathetic and getting to be a total waste of time.

Oh, it's been a waste of time for years. But some see the light of rationality. They're just hopelessly outnumbered, here.

Heck, Trin just built a quarter of a million dollar observatory that will constantly prove Nancy wrong every time it successfully works and tracks. I don't think that would have happened without the debunkers around.

So I see the effect of the debunkers as largely positive, if only in a small way here on GLP.

One effect that has been noted by others elsewhere is that the bunkers are starting to have to rely on places like here and utube, simply because they cant make a decent case and resort to flaming and trolling with pages of stupid pics like maxipad used to (noticed he doesn't do that anymore- it used to be 2 or 3 posts by others then an entire page of pics from maxipad)

Indeed at one of the `debunkers' sites I hang at as well, it was quite recently commented on that the moon landing was pretty much debunked, as they hadn't had a single one in months. I unfortunately had to show that was pretty much incorrect, that and other such ones are not only alive and kicking, but are breeding like rabbits, just not in places like that, only at largely unmoderated venues like here and utube and other `wack' sites- mixed in with `Elvis is still alive and serving burgers on Mars' and other such drivel

Terral is getting more shrill on his Youtube presentations... there have been two new ones in the last day. I do wonder at what happens when Doom(tm) fails to materialize as he imagines it...

Terral's videos are equivalent to financial advice from a homeless man.

I actually saw on one of the "sun" vids on Youtube where there is a faction which believes that the "real scientists" are the ones on places like Youtube. They think traditional science is nothing but lies.

The last one died when he saw a post of you - he suffocated on laughter.

So the position is open for you - you are the only one to fit in for a while....

Yes, it is.

And for your feelin' "everythning is so nice nearby"...;-)

there where times when you could directly acces the directories of her server, and could thus download the whole amount of files she had in a easy way..... but whe i tried a message of my fixed disk popped up

"the contents of the files to be downloaded are identified to be complete and utter bullshit. Do you want to continue Y/N ??"

Now, i saved my disks from it.....

That is IMHO a sharply increasing viewpoint amongst some groups and doesn't bode well for those groups ability to function in an increasingly technical age.
We have a similar type of problem here in Oz with a group that in the `good old days' of my youth (LOL- I sound like my granddad!!) would have gotten a job with the local council as `ditch-diggers' i.e. general labourers or gardeners. They were the ones that dropped out of high school before they even got their school certificate, the ones that stayed to yr10 before dropping out became foreman, yr 12 you got your higher school certificate then either took an apprenticeship and became a tradie, or went to uni

Over the last decade or so the qualifications levels have gone up and up, so that now you NEED a H.S.C. before you can even get a job as a council ditch-digger, and as for a gardener you need a 3 year apprenticeship to get that job...
My own electrical qualifications are not sufficient to install solar PV gear anymore, for that you now need a uni degree...
The problem is that no uni grad after spending 150 thousand for their degree, is willing to become a tradie pulling wiring through roof cavities with temps over 60 degrees C and the tradies aren't qualified to do it anymore due to changing government regulations, so it's becoming more and more difficult to actually find a decent qualified installer (plenty of unqualified ones will do it- with predictable results- over 100 house-fires last year in my state alone were caused by faulty solar PV installations)

And we now have a large (and growing) number of permanently unemployed (and unemployable) people on the dole

Unfortunately anyone who has this attitude of `all science lies' is going to become in this modern world the equivalent of a caveman gazing in wonder all about him at the `magical' things he has no knowledge of

And has as much chance as our mythical caveman of being employed (actually the caveman would have a better chance as they would at least be able to get a living doing the talk-shows etc)- something these retrotechno's or antitechno's wont have as an option

Here they will become an increasing drain on the social security network, and in places like the states will likely end up increasing the crime statistics to survive....

(WOW- that be the end of that `little' rant- sorry for the length of it)

I have never "fallen" for it. I am will always remain, a FENCE SITTER!!!



Last Edited by **ZetaMax** on 06/27/2011 07:49 AM

Yeah and information given from a horse is wisdom?
Or do you take it out of your ass?
Then it is information from a horses ass. :)

`Fixed' that for ya maxipad

"Sitter" hat another typo in it, anyway....

Copied from Terral's YouTube site this morning;

"Cru4t is running around making provisions for our Ozarks Survival Groups, but he is going to run out of resources before all the group needs are met for this Extinction-Level Event. Now is the time for our survival members with deep pockets to step up and give the kind of assistance that can put us over the top in securing enough cavern space for our growing survival group population"

Shocker...

Along with that is a disdain for education in general. A bunch of Youtubers think that education equals indoctrination, right down the line, and that just about anybody who wants to can "wake up" and see through all the lies being foisted upon us by the evil education system. Therefor, we get all this "The sun is in the wrong place but the gov't isn't telling us" nonsense.

And the irony of all this is that when the alleged "extinction level event" happens...that cavern will simply cave in.

Heh. The world (or coin) turns...

We'll see how well it works for him. If he fleeces a number of people and then disappears, that'll suggest that this was the game all along. If he continues, like Nancy after 2003, it'll be interesting to see if his popularity wanes and returns upon further failed predictions...

Those are my guesses as to the likely outcomes, anyway...

As long as it's not another "Heaven's Gate".

I may not have any respect for these folks, but I never want to see harm come to any of them. It's their families that I truly feel sorry for. Hopefully by posting the truth and providing them with methods by which they can test these unfounded ideas for themselves, we can mitigate some of the damage.

Sad truth is, Nancy Lieder was able to take the outraged reaction to her crazy claims and characterize it as an organized attempt to cover up her "truth". Without that, I think she wouldn't have ever gotten as far as she did. I have no doubt that was the plan from the beginning.

Are you saying that the successful debunking of her claims and predictions actually served to bolster her following?

It was not "sucessful" in the eyes of those who tend to believe her story. She took the debunking and ran with it on her site, cherry-picking and recharacterized it as "shrill" and "fearfull" and "angry" and "paid" and the like. Nancy packaged her story and all the lies it entails in one place which became linked-to over an over and over again. There are some debunking sites, but nothing which has been maintained with the ferver and passion and dedication which Nancy has shown for hers. The people who have bought into Nancy's story don't look at the details, they go by "feelings" and the like. They accept what Nancy says on emotional basis, for the most part. Her story appeals on an emotional level. The level of detail which is needed to debunk Nancy's claim are simply lost on most of those who prefer to think they are "awakened" and "noticing" things that the government has hidden from them. The most important aspect of Nancy's story is that of evil conspiritors controlling our lives. Without that, her story has no backbone, so yes, I think debunking has served a planned purpose in Nancy's(and/or those who put her where she is) agenda.

That's another of the main points for the "Earth-changes" or "PX" people. If/when you start picking apart the details of the story, they say "But you have to look at the big picture". Nancy has created such a gigantic mountain of bullshit, that most people who tend to accept what she says will never listen to arguments about each little detail. They just assume that such a mass of "data" couldn't be ALL wrong, even though it is.

That is an interesting take and I actually agree with some of what you are saying. I believe that debunking of the Zetas/Nancy has actually helped limit the number of her followers. That being said, it may have actually strengthened the resolve of her hardened core of believers. I’m talking about the truly devout that shuns all reason and has emotional investment in the idea. The ”us vs. the world” mentality can certainly cement the cohesiveness of such a group.

Yep. That is an important ingrediant of a cult- the "us and them" thing and the idea of being persecuted for your beliefs too. The "STO" vs "STS" was/is also crutial to Nancy's story. The "chosen" ones, etc.

Many religious cults use the same techniques to harden their followers against emotional appeals from family members trying to get them out of the cult- the us versus them (up to the quite ridiculous versions that some cults use to foster the divide, including that the government had lifelike robots made of family members to try and lure followers away)

In a way, although it's bad for the suckers that have already `drunk the koolaid' so to speak, it does have one effect that as they make their fables more and more extreme, it does tend to slow down the intake of newer recruits so their numbers stay static or slowly decline, rarely do newer members join up because of the extreme belief divide required to make the first step

Some good discussion taking place here.

I think the answer about whether "debunking" has made ZetaTalk more successful depends on who you ask. We've all, or most have, seen how the "believers" like to claim that the presence of "debunkers" proves Nancy right. Now, to most, that makes absolutely no sense. How could every person who doesn't believe Nancy be a "bought and paid for debunker?" Doesn't it make more sense and be more likely that most, if not all, "debunkers" are simply people who disagree with Nancy's claims? Sure...but the fact that people who are educated, know better and can easily prove Nancy wrong scares the crap out of her. She can't prove that the information "debunking" her is false. There's really nothing she can do. So, really, her best and only option is to attempt to discredit that information by claiming it's all made up and part of some grand conspiracy. That also includes claiming that anyone posting that disagrees with her is paid to do so. It doesn't take any supporting evidence from her...the fact that "debunkers" can't prove who they are is all the "evidence" she needs. Even when a "debunker" DOES provide information proving who he or she is, Nancy and the believers simply say, "That's just a cover story." Take Hap for instance...he posted photos of himself and his telescope(s). Loser simply claimed it was all paid for by the government. Hap then provided information on how to contact him. He even invited Nancy or any of her believers to come to his observatory to search for and photograph "Planet X." Oddly, not ONE of them took him up on the offer.

Last Edited by Circuit Breaker on 06/27/2011 07:53 PM

It's not about logic or critical examination of evidence no matter how many times Nancy has said: "Look for yourself". It's about paranoid belief in conspiracy and certain other preconceived notions.