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I seriously doubt I'll get you on 2m me thinks (ducting and multihops dont seem to get quite that far...

but I'll keep an ear open whenever the hf opens up stateside

(forgive me if I'd rather not put my callsign out here- aussie `hams' are relatively rare and with our addresses published, I'd rather not put my fullcall out in this particular forum...)

IF you happen to hear a VK2 calling from vk3 land (queensland) that might possibly be me...

;-)

Tik, tok, tik, tok.

Time is running out.


Reminder for Nancy to think about a valid answer for her 2012 non-show since Nov 11, 2008.
1128 days gone, 18 days to go until Nancys final failure (at 1.1.2012)
Nancy backpedalled first on July4th, 2009. ("Nancy-the Zetas made good use of the White lie,in May 2003. Could this work again in present time to confuse the TPTB??") -"SOZT This is within the realm of possibility. EOZT"
Thread: ZetaTalk LIVE Chat July 4 (Page 5)
Nancy backpedalled second at July 18, 2009." As we have stated repeatedly, almost weekly, we will give NO indication of a timeline. "
Thread: ZetaTalk LIVE Chat July 18 (Page 2)
Discussionthread about previous link ;-)
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
Nancy backpedalled third at August 22, 2009. "NO time frame details can be relayed, period. But…... " (p 3), (White lie again) Nancytalk "this was admitted as entirely plausible in a recent chat. Check the chat archives", "Sattelite move whithin atmosphere" (somewhere),
Thread: ZetaTalk LIVE Chat August 22 (Page 3)
Nancy backpedalled fourt at 5th Spt 09, SOZT ….It is still theoretically possible for a passage to cause nothing more than high tides and strong earthquakes…." EOZT, p3
Thread: ZetaTalk LIVE Chat September 5 (Page 5)


this needs a bump

ZetaTalk Chat Q&A for December 17, 2011

NASA attacks Nancy again! Comment, please. [and from another] [link to www.msnbc.msn.com] Yeomans noted that well-known UFO aficionado Nancy Leider, who describes herself as being in contact with aliens from the star system Zeta Reticuli, first said Nibiru would cause widespread disaster in May 2003, only to later change her prediction to Dec. 21, 2012. [and from another] [link to astrobiology.nasa.gov] Then Nancy Lieder, a self-declared psychic who claims she is channeling aliens, wrote on her website Zetatalk that the inhabitants of a fictional planet around the star Zeta Reticuli warned her that the Earth was in danger from Planet X or Nibiru. This catastrophe was initially predicted for May 2003, but when nothing happened the doomsday date was moved forward to December 2012.

Don't the folks at NASA read? Dick Morrison and Don Yeomans are senior folk at NASA! They are well acquainted with Nancy from the days when she debated astronomers on sci.astro in 1997 to 2003. Nancy's name is mentioned at NASA amid gritting teeth and stomach acid, such is their rage at ZetaTalk and their frustration at not being able to eliminate the message. The ZetaTalk posture re the December 21, 2012 date being the accurate portrayal of the Mayan Calendar end date is well known. One of Nancy's very first newsletters in early 2007 featured the issue, titled "Questioning 2012". Nancy has had a video in her YouTube list on the matter since 2008. Putting "2012" into the dedicated search engine brings all this up on page one.

So it is not a secret, nor is NASA that dumb and insulated that they are not aware of the ZetaTalk message on the matter. How could they possibly get it wrong? This is, of course, a deliberate act, a campaign to discredit and confuse the public. The arrogant leaders at NASA assume that the public will not research the ZetaTalk website but will listen slavishly to whatever NASA puts out. Where this might be true of many, those among the public who are independent thinkers have already arrived at a quite different conclusion.

What the public sees is the Sun in the wrong place, the Moon out of place, and signs in the skies while NASA remains silent. They are aware of decades of denial on UFOs filmed zipping around the ISS, and contorted explanations on what was found on the Moon. Astronauts have come forward with the truth, contradicting NASA's stance. NASA's attempts to edit the SOHO and Stereo images and alter their archives to disguise the presence of the Planet X complex is so well documented on the ZetaTalk website and on message boards such as the Pole Shift ning that newcomers to the issue quickly realize that NASA has been lying.

If NASA is lying on all these other matters, then what is the public to assume in their lies about Nancy Lieder? The claim that ZetaTalk states the passage will occur in 2012 may be a mistake the first time, but made twice, by two separate individuals, it is a pattern. And in both cases they mentioned Nancy Lieder by name. They have shot themselves in the foot, once again. They have in essence picked up a megaphone and announced to the world that Nancy Lieder is telling the truth! Go to ZetaTalk for the truth, as we all know that NASA lies! We wish to thank NASA for this free publicity!

13 days to the end of the year....

are they trying to SHIFT the focus from the failed predictions for Indonesia to Europe now?

I'm tempted to get another rig if I could get away with putting an antenna on the condo's balcony. I could definitely put up a rig in my house in far south Florida - no HOA to deal with and it's out in the sticks on an acre of land with only six neighbors to deal with on my half-mile long street.

Time to see what's available from Yaesu (I'm not a Kenwood or ICOM fan). If some day you hear a KC5 calling from region 4, it might be me.

also this on same link

in the past, the Zetas have said that the 12/21/2012 date is the "approved" date put forward by the power/wealthy elite. They say that this date is after the actual Pole Shift, and that the elite have used that date so that they can move about freely to their bunkers while the common man is thinking the date is farther out. I have a couple questions about this. One, this would seem to imply that the elite know the date of the PS. But the Zetas have also said that the elite have no idea what the date is. That's why they have so many satellites, etc, trying to track PX (futile-ly). Can the Zetas clarify this? Two, after Nancy's ZetaTalk goes mainstream, it seems most people will at least get an understanding of the last weeks and know the things to watch for. If that is the case, any talk of a date will be irrelevant when the 3 days of darkness hit. This would make "approving" a PS date a moot effort. Are the elite really that foolish to push a meaningless date? Three, when the 2012 date is discussed in mainstream media, it is usually debunked. Why would the elites debunk their own "approved" date? They have not been crafty enough to use reverse psychology in their other efforts. So it seems odd. Just to be clear, I am not asking for the date of the PS. Rather, more clarity on previous statements.

When 2012 became the establishment approved date for End Times hysteria, it was far in the future. They wanted to point far enough into the future that the common man would be placated and not feel they needed to rush to prepare. Preparing would mean key people leaving jobs they had been trained to perform, resulting in an increase in industry costs and perhaps infrastructure downtime. Preparing would mean people pulling their savings out of banks, resulting in increased bank instability. Preparing would mean home owners deserting their mortgages at a time when the banking and real estate industries are already swamped with empty homes.

The establishment does not have the passage date - neither the trimester nor the year. But they are crystal clear on what they do know - they want the common man dumb and happy until the last minute. For the establishment this is the Last Weeks, when the wobble will be so severe, a stopped rotation so obvious, that the common man can no longer be fooled. What will they do now that 2012 is no longer in the future. Certainly the establishment does not want the common man suddenly becoming nervous, so they are ridiculing those they formerly encouraged. The establishment is caught in their own trap. As the 7 of 10 scenarios unfold, during 2012, the common man is likely to be doubly nervous about the End Times. Once again karma strikes!

Scared?

I think he's ON TRACK to be be RIGHT!!!

>> As the 7 of 10 scenarios unfold, during 2012, the common man is likely to be doubly nervous about the End Times.

Scared?

I thought last year the "sinking of Indonesia" and the "tilting of the Australian plate" were Nancy's evidence that the 7 of 10 had arrived. She can't keep her own shit straight. Luckily for her she and Gertard have universal ban powers in the event that one of the captive flock should bring any of that up.

One of her other big fails was when she predicted everyone on the ISS would be killed if they stayed there. That was many years ago and also didn't happen, will try and find the link

Certain death on the International Space Station lies ahead for any who would remain there during the coming weeks. This is the analysis, based on the current path of Planet X and its entourage of debris.

Three quick references. There are more.


[link to www.zetatalk.com]

We have made the statement that the Moon itself does not rotate. The Moon completes its orbit every 28 days while it has one-half of its sphere constantly facing the Earth, glued to the Earth. Thus, the Moon orbits but does not rotate. If the Moon were not in a perpetual dance with the Earth, it would not move at all. Rotation is driven by a liquid or semi-liquid core, not homogeneous, which has parts that attempt to move toward attractants and other parts which attempt to escape elements that repulse. The core is swirling about, like a dog chasing its tail. The Earth would rotate even without the presence of the Sun or other planets nearby. The Moon would not.

[link to www.zetatalk.com]

The dynamics in place as the 12th Planet approaches during the last few days before the coming pole shift are such that rotation stops with a predictable part of the Earth facing the approaching 12th Planet - the mid-Atlantic Ocean off the eastern seaboard of the United States. This part of the globe is centered between land masses that are fairly neutral in magnetic polarization, but lines up over former lava flows from the renting apart of the continents, the mid-Atlantic rift. The Pacific trench does not carry the same appeal, as it lies deeper under the water and its characteristics differ in composition from the newer magma that has arisen during continental drift. Magma bubbling up in the Pacific is more diffuse than the magma bubbling up in the Atlantic, centered in the rift. Thus, the Atlantic lava beds are gripped, facing the Sun, facing the approaching 12th Planet coming up from the South along the rift, and causing both Europe, the Americas, and Africa to be on the long day side of the Earth. Rotation stops with the Atlantic Rift facing the approaching planet, which is coming nearly from under the Sun, but not directly under, so Africa and Europe are turned a bit more toward the Sun than the North American continent. Therefore, the Long Day described by Joshua and the long night described by the West Coast indians.

There is a human misconception that the rotation of the Earth, or a stoppage of this, would find things flying off the surface. How could this be when man walked on the Moon, which does not rotate. There will be no change, except that the heating and cooling that occur during rotation stop, except as the atmosphere and oceans distribute heat. Man will not roast or freeze, during rotation stoppage, as the atmosphere and oceans continue to circulate and thus spread about heating and cooling.
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[link to www.zetatalk.com]
Since the Moon does not rotate and the Earth does, why is it science cannot figure this out?
There is a technical term for the apparent rotation the Moon does, glued to the Earth as it is. The Moon itself, if out in space, would not rotate as it does not have a liquid core and is homogenous throughout in material. Why do some humans claim the Moon rotates? Either they do not have the mental ability to understand that the Moon is simply glued to the Earth, facing only one side to the Earth, or they are desperately arguing the point because we have said the Moon does not rotate. The disinformation team at work.

>> As the 7 of 10 scenarios unfold, during 2012, the common man is likely to be doubly nervous about the End Times.

Scared?

I'm surprised that her followers can't even remember that she said Indonesia would be under 80 feet of water by the end of Jan 2011. That clearly hasn't happened. Can't they think for themselves and see through the BS?

One of her other big fails was when she predicted everyone on the ISS would be killed if they stayed there. That was many years ago and also didn't happen, will try and find the link

Here, from December 2004...so 7 years later and it remains a big FAIL

[link to www.zetatalk.com]

Certain death on the International Space Station lies ahead for any who would remain there during the coming weeks. This is the analysis, based on the current path of Planet X and its entourage of debris.

She has them convinced that Indonesian is still sinking and that the media is covering it up.

Don't they realise that it would be impossible to cover it up if Indonesia was under 80 feet of water?

And for the news media that would be a big story so they would definitely report it rather than cover it up!