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Anonymous Coward User ID: 9132255 Australia 01/19/2012 07:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Subject: Re: Challenge to Jim Scotti Date: 29 May 1998 00:41:34 GMT In article <[email protected]> Eric George writes: > Oh boy, where to start... Thanks for rescuing me, Eric :-) I'll use your figures and recap for the readership, and then move on to the point the Zetas have been dying to make, via or through math challenged me. The recap: Earth diameter of 12756.27 km. Moon diameter of 3444.193 km. using volume of sphere as 4/3*Pi*R^3 volume of Moon is 0.019683 of Earth Earth is 1,237,857,886,976 km^3 in volume Moon is 21,392,457,765.53 km^3 in volume a metric ton is 1,000,000 grams granite density as 2.64-2.76 g/cm^3, close enough to 2.5 assuming (Nancy's) 2.5 density, Earth: 2,707,894,750,000,000,000,000 Metric Tons Moon: 54,997,342,400,000,000,000 Metric Tons Eric's reference Earth density: 5.5170 g/cm^3 Eric's reference Moon density: 3.3411 g/cm^3 (1.34 times granite density used by Nancy) so Earth: 5.9763e+24 kg ( 5.9763e+21 Metric Tons) or 2.70789475e+21 Metric Tons Moon: 7.3508e+22 kg ( 7.3508e+19 Metric Tons) or 5.49973424e+19 Metric Tons or 73,696,438,000,000,000,000 Metric Tons <========== gravitational equation F = G*m1*m2/r^2 acceleration of the moon due to gravity toward the Earth F = 2.20228796E+16 metric ton force or = 20,228,796,000,000,000 metric tons-force <===== C = Pi*2*R = Pi*D C = 2415768.45 km gives a circular orbital speed of: 1023.183 m/s <========= At this point the Zetas want to comment. First, my comments on what the Britannica states to be the supersonic speed that the Concord flies, when breaking the sound barrier. 1,200 mph, or 1,920 km/hr, which is 1,920,000 m/hr, which is 32,000 m/minute or 533.33 m/second, is it not? Second, if the diameter of the Earth is 12,756.27 km, then stationary satellites must travel 4,635.7155 m/second. (Begin ZetaTalk[TM]) Here we have the Moon, weighing the EQUIVALENT of some 73 tillion trillion metric tons if on the surface of the Earth. Bring that Moon down to where your supersonic jets, your Concord, fly without burning up due to friction and with a minimal amount of fuel required to keep it moving. To eliminate absurd arguments mixing Newton's theories in with reality, let us state that the Moon does NOT weight what it would close to the Earth's surface in point of fact, but only what you have calculated it to weigh while out in space at the distance it rides, the gravitational force mass of a mere 20 million trillion metric tons based on your inverse square law of gravity. This is the ADJUSTED weight, the equivalent weight, the actual weight at that distance, and thus is the REAL weight if one is to place it close to Earth. Eric has kindly calculated the pace of your Moon at some 1023 meters per second.. Your Concord flies at less than HALF the speed that the Moon is traveling, and it is scarsely about to fly off into space due to centrifugal force! In fact, it requires a full tank of fuel and a shape to eliminate air friction as much as possible in order to stay above ground! Would your Concord fly off into space if the speed were doubled? Do your satellites fly off into space, when going at faster speeds? Satellites that are stationary above the Earth are circling the Earth each day, and this speed is far in excess of what the Moon experiences. Do they fly off into space? The answer to both questions is NO, and so much for Newton's short sighted theories. Your Moon, adjusted for the distance it is, and going at the rate it does while carrying this adjusted weight, is going at only 1/4 THE SPEED OF YOUR SATATIONARY SATELLITES! Do they, the lighter body, fly off into space? Your astronomers, unable to bring all their equations and physics together on one page, are telling you that your Moon, at an adjusted weight of 20,228,796,000,000,000 metric tons, could cruise along at 1/4 the speed of your stationary satellites, or only twice the speed of your Concord jets, and maintain it's place DUE TO CENTRIFUGAL FORCE! The theatre of the absurd is about to open. (End ZetaTalk[TM]) Newton's laws as applied to circular motion: Ar = V^2/R where Ar is the acceleration in the radial direction and towards the center of the circle. Using the orbital velocity on radius from above: Ar = (1023.183 m/s)^2 / 384,403,000 m Ar = 0.00272345 m/s^2 F = mA = mAr F = 7.35085E+22 kg * 0.00272345 m/s^2 F = 2.00197E+20 kg*m/s^2(Newtons) This is the centripetal force due to the orbital velocity The force due to gravity calculated previously was F = 1.98296e+20 N The error between these calculation is 0.91% Does F=mA=mAr mean that you've pre-balanced your equation by saying mass equals mass, and thus the aceleration OUTwards equals the aceleration DOWNward - ah, Newton works? At this point, the Zetas which to interject again. (Begin ZetaTalk[TM]) You've cheated again, following your master cheater, Newton. He has described what he saw, and fiddled with the math long enough to get this or that factor, when inserted on this or that side of the equation, to balance. Not difficult when the BASE figure, mass, is placed on both sides of the equation, in the same influential position. For Newton to have credence here, he must address why the Moon can float up where the satellites do, at the ADJUSTED (not true) weight when reduced for distance from the Earth that it normally rides, and go only twice as fast as the Concord, or only 1/4 as fast as your stationary satellites, and not fall to Earth! The reason, as we have explained, is NOT due to Newton's centrifugal force, but due to the outbursts of gravity particles, as we have explained. We will ask our emissary, Nancy, to repost our Repulsion Force explanation, along with Gravity Particles and Gravity Flow, so that the readership can see how this better meets the situation they observe every night when they gaze upward at their monster Moon. (End ZetaTalk[TM]) |
**ZetaMax** User ID: 659599 United States 01/19/2012 08:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here it is 18 days after Max lost his bet, and STILL no steak dinner gift certificate from him. I think we all know how this turns out. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 991880 Hap I just got them in the mail two days ago, and have not had a chance to get them mailed out. How about helping me out and posting the address you'd like me to ship them to. |
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prof-rabbit nli User ID: 8802684 Australia 01/19/2012 08:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Article: <[email protected]> Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9132255 Subject: Re: Challenge to Jim Scotti Date: 29 May 1998 00:41:34 GMT In article <[email protected]> Eric George writes: > Oh boy, where to start... -----------8< snip------- (End ZetaTalk[TM]) here we go again! poor old Nancy thinks she can trot out her plagiarized rubbish stolen from those wacky Indians trying to con their government into (and out of) quadrillions of Rupees :) for a giggle have a look on their site [link to www.strepulsion.com] Incredibly goofy : To navigate the Solar System, there need to activate THREE kinds of motions. These are (1) Off-Solar-Motion (OSM), (2) Pro-Solar-Motion (PSM) and (3) Neutral Spherical Motion (NSM). For OSM needs Solar Repulsion Force (SRF), for PSM needs Gravitational Force (PGF) and for NSM needs Retraction Force (RTF). The Sorlod Space System holds the secret key to activate these three motions by utilising these three forces. DVd-Triquilibrium (DVdT) is the secret astromathical formula to function SSS system. |
aussie 763624 User ID: 763624 Singapore 01/19/2012 08:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9132255 Newton's laws as applied to circular motion: Ar = V^2/R where Ar is the acceleration in the radial direction and towards the center of the circle. Using the orbital velocity on radius from above: Ar = (1023.183 m/s)^2 / 384,403,000 m Ar = 0.00272345 m/s^2 F = mA = mAr F = 7.35085E+22 kg * 0.00272345 m/s^2 F = 2.00197E+20 kg*m/s^2(Newtons) This is the centripetal force due to the orbital velocity The force due to gravity calculated previously was F = 1.98296e+20 N The error between these calculation is 0.91% nancys famous attempts at maths and the good old repulsive force (something that nancy is well aware of- just looking at her makes me feel rather repulsed lol) but per many zetababbles- the zero doesnt exist in zeta mathematics so the above would be read by the zitas as Using the orbital velocity on radius from above: Ar = (123.183 m/s)^2 / 384,43 m Ar = .272345 m/s^2 F = mA = mAr F = 7.3585E+22 kg * .272345 m/s^2 F = 2.197E+2 kg*m/s^2(Newtons) This is the centripetal force due to the orbital velocity The force due to gravity calculated previously was F = 1.98296e+2 N The error between these calculation is .91% no wonder the zitas are always getting things wrong!!!! |
Circuit Breaker User ID: 1332648 United States 01/19/2012 08:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think it's time to :ban: him. Last Edited by Circuit Breaker on 01/19/2012 08:41 AM A voice of reason in a world of woo-woos. |
prof-rabbit nli User ID: 8802684 Australia 01/19/2012 08:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | nancys famous attempts at maths and the good old repulsive force (something that nancy is well aware of- just looking at her makes me feel rather repulsed lol) Quoting: aussie 763624 but per many zetababbles- the zero doesnt exist in zeta mathematics so the above would be read by the zitas as Using the orbital velocity on radius from above: Ar = (123.183 m/s)^2 / 384,43 m Ar = .272345 m/s^2 F = mA = mAr F = 7.3585E+22 kg * .272345 m/s^2 F = 2.197E+2 kg*m/s^2(Newtons) This is the centripetal force due to the orbital velocity The force due to gravity calculated previously was F = 1.98296e+2 N The error between these calculation is .91% no wonder the zitas are always getting things wrong!!!! I wonder if the zetas originally had some zeros but put them in Nancy's "chip" leaving Nancy clueless and the zetas without any zeros! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 9139805 United Kingdom 01/19/2012 11:02 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Troll. Previously you've told us about your young daughter. For example on page 261 in this thread on the 26th of October 2009 ZetaMax wrote: "I have a young daughter who will be a very young adult twenty years from now - if she makes it though that period." You're always lying. I meant "another". It was typed quickly without a lot of "thought". OOOPS! ZetaMax, like your ex-guru's ZetaTalk, you are a comedy of errors! |
Circuit Breaker User ID: 1332648 United States 01/20/2012 06:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Speaking of Nancy... This proves her wrong yet again: [link to www.cnn.com] "Since 1972 Whibberley said only 24 leap seconds have been used and the rate has slowed because the Earth has been speeding up over the last few decades." Speeding up? How is that possible? According to Nancy, the Earth has been slowing down. Remember how, in 2003, she was posting claims sent in by people all over the U.S. claiming that sunset was coming later than it should, some by as much as 20 minutes? I'd like to know where those people are now and what they have to say today. A voice of reason in a world of woo-woos. |
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Circuit Breaker User ID: 1332648 United States 01/20/2012 07:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yep...she'll keep preaching her delusion to others until the day she dies. And then Gerard will take over. You have to wonder - how many years have to go by with no "Planet X" before these people wake up? Or have they woken up but just refuse to admit they were stupid? How many of her followers today were there in 2003? How many have left since then? Judging by Freak Show's absence, I'd say that even he has serious doubts now...especially considering it's been almost five years since he threatened to commit suicide if "Planet X" failed to show up by September of that year. A voice of reason in a world of woo-woos. |
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Astromut Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 4211721 United States 01/20/2012 02:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How the hell would he do that? He doesn't have a star or a registered account on GLP and he shouldn't have to have one when his email address is so easily found. Furthermore, a 5 second search found his address. As in, a physical mailing address where you could send him his gift card. No, I'm not going to post it for you. Look it up yourself, you're a big boy, you can do it. You're just hunting for an excuse to not honor your bet because there is no valid excuse at this point for why that gift card isn't already in the mail. If I can find his address in 5 seconds then there is no excuse for you even bothering to ask for his address. |
**ZetaMax** User ID: 659599 United States 01/20/2012 03:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How the hell would he do that? He doesn't have a star or a registered account on GLP and he shouldn't have to have one when his email address is so easily found. Furthermore, a 5 second search found his address. As in, a physical mailing address where you could send him his gift card. No, I'm not going to post it for you. Look it up yourself, you're a big boy, you can do it. You're just hunting for an excuse to not honor your bet because there is no valid excuse at this point for why that gift card isn't already in the mail. If I can find his address in 5 seconds then there is no excuse for you even bothering to ask for his address. Feel better now? |
Astromut Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 4211721 United States 01/20/2012 03:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9209670 You expect Hap to post his address online? Would you? Try harder. He can always post it to my GLP mailbox. How the hell would he do that? He doesn't have a star or a registered account on GLP and he shouldn't have to have one when his email address is so easily found. Furthermore, a 5 second search found his address. As in, a physical mailing address where you could send him his gift card. No, I'm not going to post it for you. Look it up yourself, you're a big boy, you can do it. You're just hunting for an excuse to not honor your bet because there is no valid excuse at this point for why that gift card isn't already in the mail. If I can find his address in 5 seconds then there is no excuse for you even bothering to ask for his address. Feel better now? No; you still haven't made good on your debt. |
**ZetaMax** User ID: 659599 United States 01/20/2012 04:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How the hell would he do that? He doesn't have a star or a registered account on GLP and he shouldn't have to have one when his email address is so easily found. Furthermore, a 5 second search found his address. As in, a physical mailing address where you could send him his gift card. No, I'm not going to post it for you. Look it up yourself, you're a big boy, you can do it. You're just hunting for an excuse to not honor your bet because there is no valid excuse at this point for why that gift card isn't already in the mail. If I can find his address in 5 seconds then there is no excuse for you even bothering to ask for his address. Feel better now? No; you still haven't made good on your debt. Why is that - did Hap invite you to dinner? |
Astromut Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 4211721 United States 01/20/2012 04:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Astromut How the hell would he do that? He doesn't have a star or a registered account on GLP and he shouldn't have to have one when his email address is so easily found. Furthermore, a 5 second search found his address. As in, a physical mailing address where you could send him his gift card. No, I'm not going to post it for you. Look it up yourself, you're a big boy, you can do it. You're just hunting for an excuse to not honor your bet because there is no valid excuse at this point for why that gift card isn't already in the mail. If I can find his address in 5 seconds then there is no excuse for you even bothering to ask for his address. Feel better now? No; you still haven't made good on your debt. Why is that - did Hap invite you to dinner? No, I'm just sick of your excuses. Hap's a well-known fellow amateur astronomer, you lost your bet with him fair and square, now pay up. If you can't understand why I would be displeased with seeing a woo woo zetatard shirk his responsibility to honor a debt with a fellow amateur astronomer, too bad, it's irrelevant. Your only concern right now should be honoring the bet you made. If you don't, then I agree the proper response should be... Last Edited by Astromut on 01/20/2012 04:54 PM |
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**ZetaMax** User ID: 659599 United States 01/20/2012 07:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Quoting: Anonymous Coward 991880 Thanks Hap. I will try to get it in the mail to you tomorrow. Last Edited by **ZetaMax** on 01/20/2012 08:01 PM |
aussie 763624 User ID: 763624 Singapore 01/20/2012 09:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just wandered over to the ning, seems that it is starting to run out of steam (or members) This weeks zetababble thread has dropped down to the new low of only 4 pages One of the funniest posts was nancy declining to answer a post (mostly a string together of mish mashed numerology) her reply was Reply by Nancy Lieder yesterday Declined. Please don't be silly. um pot meet kettle..... coming from the inventor of flying magnetrons, dark planets, invisble planets that come screaming into the solar system at a large % of lightspeed and stop, then hang around the sun forthe next near decade.... |
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