But we already have established that Nancy Lieder is full of shit. Hap has had his steak and Melfy is 150 clams down. That is the topic of this thread. Clif has nothing to do with it. And if Nancy endorses Clif, that's another strike against him. The only difference between Clif and Nancy is that Clif made quite a bit more money off his scam than she ever did. I don't know about the rest of the debunkers, but I couldn't give a fig about Clif. I think Max wants TLR to change the name of the thread to something like "ZetaMax trolls for attention", since he always tries to make it about him and his current flavour of doom. That's a thread I don't want to be a part of.