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Nancy mistakes the Goodyear Blimp for a UFO over the 2012 Summer Olympics

[link to poleshift.ning.com]

What a maroon!

[link to www.examiner.com]

SOZT
As has happened in the past, a UFO display showed up at an event where many private video cameras were recording the event. This was the case during the 1991 Eclipse in Mexico. Undeniable because it had been recorded by the public, on so many private cams, that the display could not be dismissed as a case of doctoring the film. The 2012 Olympics opening was another such event, recorded LIVE and delivered to audiences around the world. By the time the authorities realized what was happening, it was too late. YouTube videos of the event have already gone viral, and official news channels had no choice but to admit it, and even discuss it – Skynews leading the way.
EOZT


It's the Goodyear blimp. NBC has contracted the services of the blimp based in the UK.

Of course, I always try to capture nancy's comments when she makes a major blunder. I've got the page as a PDF.



best to copy what she actually wrote at this time

not that we think she would go back and edit a zetatalk or anything...

;-)

Comment by steve havas 3 hours ago

That last video shows it zoomed and enhanced by a youtube user.


look its almost a full hand there now....

they must be making money again from the retards- sorry believers...

2012- a scammers wetdream

Comment by steve havas 3 hours ago

That last video shows it zoomed and enhanced by a youtube user.


look its almost a full hand there now....

they must be making money again from the retards- sorry believers...

2012- a scammers wetdream

Um okay.. this gonna be a long reply..

Im basically a regular intelligent, curious human. Specifically I initially was interested in anti-gravity tech. or the free-energy stuff... Invariably came across the alien-presence, UFOs, CCs, prophets, conspiracies and finally the 2012 Hype. Curious as we are, I went into the jungle to search for the truth, if any.
What is left, is what most of these alternative-news contain: bits of truth in a jungle of BS (HS).

Then some day I came across ZT (Dont remember how exactly). A rubbish html website with some crazy stuff written in it.
An old woman claims to be in contact with some aliens and they seem to be giving her a lot of information, several thousand sites in fact.
Whats written in it?
Seemingly unrelated and disorganized at first a structure became obvious over time and claims began to support each other, seemingly explaining a lot of questions:

What are the aliens doing here?
Why do the UFOs appear as they do, and why is the government having a certain stance to it?
Why are aliens portrayed in the media in a certain way, and what is the general mindest about extra-terrestrial life?

Then these more "spiritual" questions:

Is there something as an "awakening" going on, as seemingly hinted by many individual sources?
What could our spiritual-situation may be? And is there a something as a soul?

Finally,

Are there earth-changes going on? The weather seems getting unpredictable?
Are earthquakes on the increase or volcanoes waking up? Could this be related?

And Nancy of course provided answers to all these questions that many of us asked themselves when they came across the conspiracy theories.

Facts are constantly bended to dramatisize the situation to keep the believers in the constant belief that they are expecting what is to be expected. The USGS was claimed to be wildy downgrading, NASA claimed to be doctoring, all to have nothing but PX on the stage.

Yes it seems like a obvious-horseshit from this perspective, however this goes deeper. People ignore these matters if they percept enough correlation elsewhere (her alleged ZT accuracy which is no accuracy at all) and feel enough comfortable with the overall theories.)

(BTW: did you read the "when prophecy fails" entry on wikipedia? Thats basically what is occuring with her believers. )

What is left now?

Some concepts still relate to reality with me or are considered likely possible, such as "telepathy", that souls exist, the alien-presence, which in my opinion is undeniable nowadays with regular sightings around the world (Yes I think there are genuine sightings with some advanced technology, beside myself having an obvious sighting at local place with a couple of friends which was a personal confirmation for us,
that some awakening process seems going on globally, which seems to be related to people getting increasingly aware, intelligent, and striving for a better future,

that cropcircles are an interesting phenomena with seemingly unexplained effects. (Like bent grain, or magnetic particles found in the soil, "apical-node-elongation", although these claims would need to be analysed more closely, [link to www.bltresearch.com] , at best from more sources, anyone?).

that humans could have had contact with extra-terrestrials in the past,

that "earth changes" are seemingly on the increase and common scientific theories seem to falter. (Or does anyone found a explain-it-all as yet? "Global Warming"?

that a lot of charlatans are out there who noticed the potiential of placing baits into these areas to prey on new victims,
and its easy to fall for it even if you are an overall intelligent person.



Rational thinking is just a way of coming to our conclusions and I never really lost it. (Even though it was not "critical enough" for sure.)
However Nancy made her "construct" in a way that seems to support rational thinking. Cause and effect.
"The totally dramatizised earth changes are due to PX slowing the earths core, causing friction, heating the plates from below, heating the ocean, heating the air, blah blah..."

"The UFO's appear in a certain way to not interfere with the free-will and some other rules, and they are related to an awakening process, gradually increasing to prevent too much influence to the inhabitants of the planets."

For every question there is an answer, so Nancy presents seemingly rational explanations because she knows it is that what the human mind is asking for.

Some big quake over Plate A?
Nancy: Plate B crumbles into Plate A, because PX pushes the earths northpole, causing the famous "earth wobble" smashing the plates against each other.

A cropcircle showing a swirl?
Nancy: Depicting PX clockwise rotation in relation to Earths rotation as she stated before..

And so on...and so on..

A pile of lies, supporting one another. (Though not truely)

Nancy seemed to be familar with local plate-tectonics, astronomic questions, psychological questions, sociological questions.
Could an old woman answer so many questions? For such a long while?

The perfect wolf in sheep's clothing.




Not really.. at least I dont have anything directly popping up into my mind regarding factual info that I was aware at that time.

Can you name some highlights? Im sure they'll be worthy to bring up again.

I was aware of Zetasquawk at that time, though they were often defamatory (like many others who ride on the puppy-thing) which Nancy uses to claim they're pushing a bad image of herself..

Um. Thats a little too simplistic in my mind. Afterall Nancy's BS comes from her own.. and she needs think about the questions presented to her.
There are thoughts of herself that are even going into the right direction, since she needs to do her best because she has to avoid too many lies.

Some of the thoughts about an apocalyptic scenario are quite useful. (Although I guess it was more of an achievment from the TT guys and overall people.)

However saying "one lie after another" is a little unrealistic, its more a set of lies based on bits of truth.

The bits of truth form the bait.
Lies are applied over the bait, expanding the (w)hole while supporting each other.

Keep piling and you have your "horseshit"

;)

I'd still like to actually see some "constant countering information" BEING POINTED OUT other than rough approximations (like pointing to this thread)

Nancy mistakes the Goodyear Blimp for a UFO over the 2012 Summer Olympics

[link to poleshift.ning.com]

What a maroon!

[link to www.examiner.com]

>> 2012 - a scammers wetdream

No one has gotten rich off of me!

Nancy got you to accept things on HER terms- ie: "Does NASA lie?"- that sort of thing. The "badmouthing" was because what Nancy was saying was so absurd- so easily disproven- so ridiculously wrong... You and Nancy's other followers, on the other hand, had allowed Nancy to drag you "off-center" to where you imagined there was an actual debate going on- as if there was some actual doubt as to whether what Nancy was saying was true. There wasn't- not to anyone who knew the first thing about astronomy.

"Apply"? How I see them having been "applied" was in sucking in those who would actually see themselves as "better than others". Think about it. "STO" is actually a spiritual trap, IMO.

I should mention that many other 'channelled' sources have spoken about the same type of thing over the last 20 years. (By the way... I don't care about Nancy's denial of this- she is "CHANNELLING",IMO. the reason for all these various sources saying similar things is not understood by me, but there has clearly been an intentional "push" on some of these ideas.

Heh. I watched it happen for 15 years- over and over and over again. It's absolutely true. If not- why did you believe that PX had been imaged at Nancy's coordinates, entering the Solar system in 2001-2002?

A lot of it doesn't even exist any more. The work of "IMOpenminded" and Sarah Macintyre, for example. The Wayback has archives of some of it. This is OOOLLD news!

"Treated"? He is repeating inane crapola from Nancy and Zetatalk. It's so wrong it's stupid. The fact that you think it is reasonable and should not be ridiculed speaks volumes. That's exactly what it deserves. It's pure RUBBISH!


He is repeating OBVIOUS craplola as if it has merit. It's ridiculous nonsense. There is no other way to put it. He believes what NANCY HAS TOLD HIM- nothing more.

I dont see any reason (in matters of productivity) to throw insults or other nonsense other than embracing your own ego's which you're doing again in my mind.

I think you mistake harsh truth as "insults".

Just because certain things are obviously true, that doesn't make them "stereotypes".

I think you are still unaware of just how far Nancy had dragged you over to "her" way of thinking. Yet, you seem to understand just how false what she said was. It was a streaming pile of lies and not much more.

I should mention that many other 'channelled' sources have spoken about the same type of thing over the last 20 years. (By the way... I don't care about Nancy's denial of this- she is "CHANNELLING",IMO. the reason for all these various sources saying similar things is not understood by me, but there has clearly been an intentional "push" on some of these ideas.

Regarding "Channeling", I have a different opinion:
In my mind Nancy is not a channeler but merely a manipulator. At least I don't understand why simple manipulation should be called "Channeling"...
And why there is a "push" in that direction, I don't know either, but I suspect that there is some truth at base, somewhere.

The fact that there ismanipulation taking place is beside the point. I think that what Nancy is doing is "channelling" because I am familiar with the phenomenon and I know what it looks like. What Nancy is doing is what it looks like.

Someone dared to question the "facts" as presented by Nancy:

[link to poleshift.ning.com]

Comment by Fra. Iens 6 hours ago
Hello all!
I don't want to be a debunker in your eyes. I respect Nancy and Zetas.
But if this a UFO then where is GoodYear blimp?
And why there are panoramic videos from the angle of this UFO?
Regards,
Steve.

He was duly chastised for being "mindless":

Comment by Nancy Lieder 6 hours ago
@Fra
What! Have you even LOOKED at that blimp video? Panoramic views? SkyNews takes vids from their chopper! Heavens, people you have to start thinking! Kick start that brain of yours and stop posting mindless stuff like this, really!
Blimp



Of course, she didn't answer his pertinent question of "But if this a UFO then where is GoodYear blimp?"

>> What Nancy is doing is what it looks like.

I've actually seen her doing it in PERSON, and yes, it has all the earmarks of "channeling".

What remains to be asked, is "where" are those voices originating? Malevolent (or at the very least "mischevous") spirits? Aliens? (Maybe the Zetas are real, and maybe they really ARE the "voices in her head") or Black Ops doing it through an implant and advanced technology?

Clearly the message is distorted in order to confuse and take our "sniffing dogs" off the scent.

The important question is less about whether or not it's "true" - as a WHOLE, the ZetaTalk saga clearly is not, but that does NOT mean that it is devoid of a DEADLY SERIOUS AGENDA.

And that is where I and the "debunkers" clearly part company.

If ZetaTalk itself is a half-baked, almost "tongue-in-cheek" contrived "project" undertaken as part of a much larger collection of dis-information efforts on the part of TPTB, the question is WHAT are they trying to COVER UP???

That's the question - but clearly TPTB don't aschew indulging in a little "fun" along the way - at "our" expense of course ...

They clearly find our gropings in the dark, to be quite "humorous".

My message to them => "What goes around - comes around."