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IDW is an old poster from Elaine's days at GLP. He claims an Indian heritage, super genius I.Q, and that anyone who disagrees with his is an idiot, or a co-conspirator, and bullies people mercilessly.

I encountered him with his anti-Einstein/Anti-Jewish rants, and started in my usual way, politely questioning him, and pointing out his apparent logical failings. Our relationship went downhill from there, but I figured what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

So since he bullies and cajoles so consistently, I chose to engage him back, and never let him forget what he has claimed before. I have a little Notepad file that I add to of his latest greatest claim, and it got to be increasingly huge and increasingly funny.

He now considers me an entire TEAM of debunker-agents, because certainly a single person could not cause him that level of trouble. He really hooked into the December 21st stuff, and is now backpedalling like mad -- his mistakes are the fault of others who fed him false information. Looks like the List is going to get longer still.

Honestly, if he dialed back the vitriol, and the over-reliance on wholly fallacious arguments, I would probably lose interest. But the poor guy never has, and so I keep on him -- even just to let new posters who have not encountered him know with whom and what they are dealing.

Must....resist....pun...of...doom...

He is a fake. He is about as native as the queen. I have had some tiffs with him too over 2012. I wrote a long post showing people how they can do the math and work out logically when the end date was and prove that it already happened 24 years ago. He called me a shill and deleted it. Can't have people getting the right information plus a method of testing that information to see if there is any truth to it. I even asked people to debunk my evidence if they could. All I got was insults. Is that any way to treat a "blood brother"? He is a total dipshit.

Final Chapter:

Nancy was mistaken.

THE END

Managed to get myself banned from a 2012 doomtard thread for laying out simple verifiable facts. Everyone loves to distort our cultures and traditions, but nobody wants to listen to what we have to say about it, unless we dress up as "Mayas" and call ourselves by fake Mayan sounding names and serve up westernized bullshit to the gullible. The OP actually disproved his own theory and I was just pointing that out to him. Told me to stop spamming. What a tool. Next thing I know, I am banned. LOL. These assholes never give up. They don't want truth and knowledge. They just want to spew their bullshit and feel like they know more than the people they deceive. The last thing they want is someone like me that can talk circles around them about Mayan culture, languages and traditions pissing on their delusions.

Wow. My login is working. Merry Christmas to my debunker friends!

Corrected that.

Last Edited by MoreAboutTunnelVision on 12/23/2012 02:21 PM

[link to poleshift.ning.com]

Funny how all the conclusions presented are from Nancy, Velikovsky and Stichin's pseudoscientific-interpretations.

Why don't they want to accept that the ground is showing a completly different pattern?
Fossil records suggest that diversity fluctuates every ~62 million years... not every 3600 years..

[link to en.wikipedia.org]


The ground would need to be showing clear sedimentary-remaints in 3600 year cycles. But where are these records???
Just think about the volcanic-activity a crustal shift would produce!
Absurd.



That is no "proof".

Last Edited by MoreAboutTunnelVision on 12/23/2012 02:50 PM

Not necessarily. "SOMEONE" or "SOMETHING" was certainly making it up. Nancy might have been "sincere" in just being a loyal "conduit".

But I will concede this: "Just following orders" should never be a valid defense.

Nancy was making everything up - not all of it is original - but it's all Nancy.

She's not a conduit - she just has a vivid imagination and tons of free time to cobble things together.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

>>c. 1650 BC: The last species of mammoth became extinct on Wrangel Island.

>>1627 BC: Beginning of a cooling of world climate lasting several years recorded in tree-rings all over the world.It might have been caused by the Minoan eruption of Thera or the Avellino eruption of Mount Vesuvius. Which wiped out the Minoan civilization

Regarding the sedimentary remains... have you personally set out and looked at the rock strata in Germany? On the west coast of New Zealand in a place called Port Waikato, we went and produced a geological map of the sedimentary structures that make up the area, which is composed mostly of calcareous lime, silt and sand stones. The grading of the sediments is suggestive of rapid sea level rise and retreat that the Lecturer found to be curious. I know this is not evidence and certainly not proof but how closely have you looked??

I know your familiar with zetatalk and must admit I'm surprised you discredit all the evidence that is put forth. I don't know how much of Velikovsky you have read but maybe you should read his correspondence with Einstein and also worlds in collision to gain a well rounded understanding of what he was suggesting, Einstein said no to Venus, yes to cataclysms.

And given the state of the planet today in terms of natural disasters and social unrest, it is certainly indicative that we are building up to big changes, which were prophesised by the greatest visionary of our time, Edgar Cayce, Who said around the new millennium the axis will change. That adds a lot of weight to the zetatalk claims.

Well Nancy`s latest hoaxes with so called tilting planets were a real disaster again. The best name for this old scary punk should be Nancy Hoaxer.

And again she was abusing another dirty internet prank of a guy who was stealing pictures and telling a nice fairy story.
But all her little hoaxes are exposed. This one was a real shame.

She has again eggs on her face. And why? Because she deserves it.


The whole poleshit ning is a page consisting of dirty hoaxes and terrible little pranks designed to fool some stupid people who have no knowledge at all and believe every little fart.

Of course planets like Jupiter and Saturn can not just tilt and the next day they are pretty normal again. It is no surprise for me in that context that Gerard Zwaan, this old hustler, lives close to the coast. The whole Ning-Ding is an awful cult fraud. Thanks to Hydra for mentioning this point.

How stupid can some people be to listen to that bunch of lies and astronomical quacksalvers.

Now that's a tad of an exaggeration.

The Thera eruption might have mortally wounded the Thalassocracy by wiping out its fleet, destroying its ports, and reducing its population.
But the culture itself managed to hang on for another generation or two until the Mycenaean invasion.


What is your evidence that those are statistically disproportional?


Ah, magic.
Did that suddenly start working?

Credulous nonsense.
You are a cultist, not a truth seeker.


If you pile B.S. on top of B.S. you just get a bigger pile of shit.


All you have is delusions of magic, and appeals to pseudo-science.
All meaningless in the real world.
The likes of you have predicted TEOTWAWKI hundreds of times in the past, with a zero success-rate.
Why should anyone take this nonsense serious?

Seriously...

Edgar Cayce said Atlantis would rise in "68 and the earth changes would come to a crescendo by the end of the millenium. He was quite specific. None of it happened. This is our greatest visionary? But Cayce and Nancy have a couple of things in common, mainly that they have never been right about anything and that in spite of that, people still ignore the failures and defend them blindly. The Cayce Foundation has made heaps more money than Nancy though.

Your ignorance is actually painful

Research the human energy field and high sense perception

Look into Barbara Brennan, former atmospheric physicist for NASA and one of the most gifted psychics and healers alive.\

Look into the Holographic Universe by Michael Talbot for the science behind clairvoyance and other forms of high sense perception. Just because these phenomenon are out side your perception does not mean that this is the case for others who have expanded their awareness....


Obviously your intuition is dense, you assume things YOU haven't experienced are not real and are "magic" because you don't understand them. Maybe you need to wake up and smell the roses, "magic" didn't suddenly start working, it always has.

You will again try and insult my beliefs by using words like "delusions" and "psuedoscience" to discredit what i say, which just goes to show u posses an unwillingness to look at things from ALL angles and are too stuck in your outdated metaphysical view of our world.. Maybe you need to study science more and learn some sub atomic physics to help you understand the interconnectedness of all life and how that relates to certain individuals ability to tap in to the implicate order of reality as put forth by David Bohm allowing them to view possible future occurances...


Seriously dude..... Get a damn clue!!!!

Links please?

Debunk that home boy!!!


THINKING ALLOWED



HOPE THAT HELPS!!!! HAVE A MERRY XMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR, ENJOY 2013 :D

"No matter what your belief about the near future, whether you believe Planet X is on its way or believe life will do nothing but get better, we all have to still focus on one day at a time and give that one day all we've got to give. And we will give. We'll give compassion and comfort to those who need it. We'll lend an ear to those who need a sounding board. We'll choose silence instead of speaking ill of another. We'll pray for those we can't personally help and we'll notice and appreciate every blessing that happens our way. That's having spiritual class. Some wear their class on the outside while others wear it on the inside." - MSR

If you need a link, you obviously have never read the books, probably just read what someone said about Cayce in a newer book or a video. It's in his books. You can probably still even get the transcripts (for a nice fee) from the Cayce Foundation, but I bet you could get his later books at the library. I remember the doom tards of the day back in the late 60's waiting for Atlantis to emerge from the seas. They stocked up and made plans, lived in communes waiting for this glorious prediction to happen. It never did.

LOL. As I was typing, Kiwi AC was posting youtube videos about Cayce by new age fraudsters. Go to the source, AC. Don't just listen to morons like In5d. He talks the big talk, but if you look to the source, in this case, the books with the Cayce transcripts, you will see that I am right.

"Back in the 1950s three social psychologists joined a cult that was predicting the imminent end of the world. Their purpose was to observe the cultists’ response when the world did not, in fact, end on schedule. What they discovered, and described in their classic book, “When Prophecy Fails,” is that the irrefutable failure of a prophecy does not cause true believers — people who have committed themselves to a belief both emotionally and by their life choices — to reconsider. On the contrary, they become even more fervent, and proselytize even harder.

This insight seems highly relevant as 2012 draws to a close. After all, a lot of people came to believe that we were on the brink of catastrophe — and these views were given extraordinary reach by the mass media. As it turned out, of course, the predicted catastrophe failed to materialize. But we can be sure that the cultists won’t admit to having been wrong."

[link to www.nytimes.com]

It is pseudoscience.

Create a double blind repeatable experiment to test said claims, and it will be on the road to becoming science. Until then, sorry.

I finished the true story of Nancy Lieder a few days ago.

Enjoy it and read all her lies of the last 17 years again.(though the term "enjoy" might be the wrong word)
I could only add some of them to my report, cause the list is far too long. And yes 2012 was too far out for Nancytalk and a Nobeeryou that never existed.


[link to beyoubefree.runboard.com]

I will add the documents of the former moderator COS in the next few days. Apart from that I have also written a little story about the big 2012-hoax. Time goes on and we are a part of it. Nobody needs scary charlatans like Nancy Lieder who are telling woo-woo-nonsense every day. I`m sorry guys but the documents are only available in German. But you can translate them with an Online-Translator easily.

Merry xmas to everyone ....
And a happy 2013!

Last Edited by VeritasN1 on 12/24/2012 04:43 PM

Don't make me laugh.


Newage bullshit.


Deluded or fraudster.

It is not at all hard to prove that a certain method is effective at healing people.
Bullshitters never pass the test.
They usually work very hard at avoiding testing.


Things that are not known to exist don't require any theoretical underpinning.
What they require is proven to exist.

Until then, who cares.


Intuition is not a reliable method to ascertain the factuality of anything.
FACTS and EVIDENCE are.

If magic were real you could demonstrate it.
Nobody has EVER demonstrated it.


And you're surprised people think you are delusional?


Lots of words to hide the fact that you have NO FACTS or EVIDENCE to support your claims.

You are a victim of magical thinking.


LOL.

Me skeptic, you creduloid.

I bet you $500 bucks the Miss Leader will NEVER make an accurate prediction EVER.



Very useful, thank you.


We'll try our best.


Last Edited by Halcyon Dayz, FCD on 12/25/2012 04:15 PM

Great sum!
Deadly accurate.

I always worried about the way how previous believers are disposed and ignored since, as you wrote, many of these individuals remain unheared of.

Nancy produced so many victims it probably would be worthy to create a forum only for ex-believers to communicate with each other.

BTW: feel free to use anything from the doc. :)



And why is this supposed to be connected to a poleshift?
The way how Nancy portrays it doesnt fit in the picture we're finding.
There are no signs of periodic-, worldwide-, violent-adjustments in 3600 year patterns.
So maybe we're talking about different poleshifts?

Scientists have not yet found hints about crustal-shifts whereas
magnetic-shifts occured througout earths history and are recorded where two plates diverge from each other [link to istp.gsfc.nasa.gov]

Through Carbon-dating timeline-patterns were formulated: [link to en.wikipedia.org]



Honestly, I have not yet went out to dig deep into the ground to reproduce what others have done already....but
im studying something very similar and always when I see a huge piece of history (in the form of rock) I am reminded that a 3600 year cycle is just too damn short to be the case.



I see that you are the type of person who's very open to all sides of a story and I appreciate that.

I havent read Velikovskys book and probably won't in the future either unless there's something that sparks significant correlation.
(Again I dont see anything of it happening).

Same counts about Zaccharia Stichin, although I went to look deeper into his claims as this site offers so greatly [link to www.sitchiniswrong.com]


How is it that you are suprised that I "discredit" ZT? (While it is merely pointing out lies)

Last Edited by MoreAboutTunnelVision on 12/24/2012 10:41 PM

It seems as though he received the notice of a copyright violation report, he now edited the description of his video to mention that he didn't take the picture from the 21st, but he still does not credit me or give any link back to the original source. I will be looking for legal representation later this week to contact google so that I may send him a bill.

Thank you for your permission, MATV (COS). But I will only add the link and post some additional comments.

It is a shame that this guy abuses pictures of a renowned astronomer like Dr. Astro to spread his hoaxes. Of course planets like Saturn and Jupiter don`t simply tilt.

Besides that it is highly flashy that Nancy`s so called Zetas are always getting their latest news from google or youtube which are soon exposed as hoaxes. If there were real aliens with a message out there, they would probably use the internet or television to send us their things.

So another hoax ... exposed. Crazy Nancy should really soon close her Ning.

If that's how you are going to boil down 5 years of your irrational behavior regarding certain types of predictions...

I just hope you learned something along the way, and might make more rational choices in the future.

News from the Poleshifters!!!!

OBVIOUS WOBBLE (Southern Germany records warmest Christmas Eve ever!)


Too bad they didnt actually do any research into this because if they had they would have noticed that the antipodes would have also had the exact opposite results, so we should have expected record lows in New Zealand, unfortunately it seems that at the exact same time Munich was breaking record highs, Wellington was showing a temperature also about 10 degrees ABOVE their average as opposed to what it should have been if the earth actually was wobbling. Idiots.

Those people just make shit up as they go dont they, lol.

They're not the sharpest bunch when it comes to critical thinking. Perhaps they stood attend the class my eldest brother teaches at the local university - Logic, Reason and Critical Thinking.

I seriously doubt any of the ningtards understands that if the Earth was wobbling as they claim, the planet would be tearing itself apart from the shifts of it's rotational axis.

Off of the original topic - it seems that the membership of the ning has gone completely static - still at 621 members.

Still got my eye on the February through June timeframe. We are NOT "out of the woods" in terms of Courtney Brown's remote viewing material until June 2013 is in the history books. At ***THAT*** point, my DOOM CUPBOARDS will truly be "bare". (Which will be a GOOD thing!)

Though all this "gun control" noise has me nervous ...