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It's not our fault you believed Nancy's lies.


You go ahead and run with that...and thanks for admitting that we've been quite effective at proving Nancy wrong.


So, tell us - when will that be again? Wasn't that supposed to happen back in September or October? What's Obama's excuse for not telling everyone now? Or should I be asking - what's Nancy's excuse for it not happening? I'd like to know what YOU'RE going to say when that announcement never comes. My guess is you'll just quietly disappear like all the other believers before you.


So, tell us then - why is the number of members down? And why does it keep going down?

Last Edited by Circuit Breaker on 01/15/2013 07:40 AM

It's the same old story - make grandiose claims but never debate those claims with anyone but other believers. What are they so afraid of? Sounds to me like they know their claims can't stand up on their own.

Well, ann s? Here sits a challenge! Post anything you want to say, right here. Nothing will be deleted and no one will be banned for saying anything they care to say in support of the existence of Planet X. Can you say the same thing about the poleshift ning? Of course not. What are you waiting for? Prove yourself right! Prove that Zetatalk can't be debunked! Prove that Earth is halted in orbit! Prove Nancy's "accuracy" on ANY astronomical claims or predictions!

Here is your big chance to be a heroine in support of Zetatalk. Show the debunkers how Nancy is right! GO for it!

I guess deep in their heart they know that they are only discussing pure nonsense. But for them this nonsense got a kind of religion. It is the same with some old followers of the galactic federation which still believe that Jupiter got a second sun. Jesus, so we would have - with all the second suns of crazy Nancy - at least four or five suns now in our system....

They are blocking the truth out intentionally so that their cult can continue. Everybody knows that Nibiru was a fiction. Just remember all the stories of 2012. NASA advised against this hype but so many doomsday-believers didn`t want to listen. The truth got them all now.

The galactic federation and Zetatalk both belong to the same sources of nonsense and weird cults. The problem is that some of the last desperate followers develloped strong religious feelings for their cults and so they are out of control and certifiably insane. The last few followers of Zetatalk are lost souls who probably can only be cured with a systemic psychotherapy. Otherwise they will continue to count lenseflares and all this kind of stuff for the next decades.

So... as always, a challenge made to the believers to defend their beliefs falls on deaf ears and is ignored. Yawn...

You expected a response? Come now - we've been making challenges like this for nearly 10 years and not ONE believer has EVER risen to meet it. No one has ever even tried. So there's only one thing to say:

Ann S. - thank you for confirming that "debunkers" are right...again. As stated before - the only reason you or any other believer won't take up the challenge is because, deep down, you know Nancy is wrong. You know her claims can't stand up to the weight of careful examination. You know the evidence proving her wrong is much stronger than the evidence that proves her right - for which, in reality, there is none. There will be no announcement by the Obama administration about "Planet X" this year or ever during his second and final term as President. "Planet X" will continue to only show up in poorly taken photographs of the sun. It will never become undeniable in the sky and it will never cause a geographic "pole shift". Earth is not wobbling - proven by this video shot in 2012: ).

If Earth were wobbling about unpredictably, those stars wouldn't be moving in a gentle arc across the sky.

Earthquakes are not on the increase - proven here: [link to earthquake.usgs.gov] Now, we all know believers don't accept data from the USGS - you all claim the numbers are false and prove a cover up...except for when the numbers support your claims, then it's proof that Nancy is right. The problem is - you can't have it both ways.

So, Ann S. - do you want to counter?

Last Edited by Circuit Breaker on 01/16/2013 07:53 AM

The wobble in the ning board is more a mental wobbling than a real event. The best proof for the correct orbit of the earth around the sun are solar eclipses. They also show that the moon is exactly at the position where it always was. These events have been calculated decades ago, long before Nancy Lieder read about Zechariah Sitchin`s 10th planet (and started false and fraudulent predictions). Hundreds of thousands people watched this events in many countries. And they used all kinds of telescopes, filters or special sunglasses. There has never been even a small aberration. The last penumbral solar eclipse was visible in the USA in May 2012. The last total solar eclipse was in November 2012. It was perfectly visible in Australia and delighted thousands of people.

On such days it is always very quiet on the Ning-board. Perhaps you see a lenseflare-pic of Flareberto. But they have to ignore the reality as it disturbs their religious feelings. On such a day everything around the sun would be as visible as maroons on Sylvester. But nobody has ever seen a “Moonswirl” or a “Nibiru”. The point is that these fantasies do only exist in some weird heads of Nancy Lieder`s cult. This is the ultimate proof that all of Nancy`s crazy theories are only bullshit. Of course it is very sad that we even need such proofs to convince some people. For everyone with an average astronomical understanding or a telescope at home this is completely ridiculous and dispensable.

In April there will be a partial solar eclipse. On May 15th you can see an annual solar eclipse in many countries. All these events will happen exactly as predicted. Nobody will see a Nobeeryou or other fantasy objects. You can receive the data from the official NASA website or hundreds of other pages in all languages. And all of these solar eclipses had been calculated decades ago. We even can calculate the solar eclipses precisely till the year 3000+. And we can determine the exact duration and location of these events (more or less in seconds) as our sun system works like a clock work.
[link to eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov]

The next total solar eclipse in the USA will be in 2017. I bet that Ann S. and all the other stupid Ningtards will prefer to stay in bed that day. They will probably watch some nostalgic lenseflare-clips to remember them the good old times of Nancytalk.

And for all the fans of astronomy: I will show you some fantastic pictures of the last solar eclipse in Australia (November 2012). This is the reality and the world where we live. So no need for strange cults and sects like Scientology, Zetatalk or Harekrishna....


The true story of Zetatalk aka Nancytalk (only available in German: but the English version will soon be released):
[link to beyoubefree.runboard.com]

Last Edited by VeritasN1 on 01/16/2013 02:00 PM

He's baaack... Today I received new messages from him claiming that all images used in his video were his, and that he has filed a counter-claim and will be taking me to court (lol). Well, that's interesting considering in his own video description he admitted that he didn't take the picture from the 21st. He's decided he's going to play internet tough guy about having his video taken down and lie instead, in direct contradiction to his own video description. Well filing a false counter-claim is illegal. I can't see this ending well for him, but it looks like I actually am going to have to find a lawyer. Anyone here do pro bono work?

"There is no God but myself... Knowing this, who dares worship the false Gods of the Koran and Bible?" - Satan, from the Qu'ret Al-Yezid

"I lead to the straight path without a revealed book." Satan, from the Al-Jilwah

"Those who oppose me I afflict with disease..." Satan, from the Al-Jilwah (referring to the J e w s)

GOOGLE SATAN + JOY TO LEARN MORE AND CONTACT SATAN/ENKI

"There is no God but myself... Knowing this, who dares worship the false Gods of the Koran and Bible?" - Satan, from the Qu'ret Al-Yezid

"I lead to the straight path without a revealed book." Satan, from the Al-Jilwah

"Those who oppose me I afflict with disease..." Satan, from the Al-Jilwah (referring to the J e w s)

GOOGLE SATAN + JOY TO LEARN MORE AND CONTACT SATAN/ENKI

Wrong thread, spamboy.

Saving this for my own future use, a cached page with his video description:
"I would like to make 1 thing clear, at no point in time did I ever, say or predict Nibiru for Dec 21st 2012, so keep that in mind before you start trying to troll my channel Royalty free music from www.purple-planet.com composed and performed by Geoff Harvey and Chris Martyn Original video from Russia here Amir Kerre www.youtube.com on the still photo of Saturn on the right I did not take that image"
[link to webcache.googleusercontent.com]
Remember kids, once you post something online, it's there for good. If you later lie and perjure yourself about what you did, the truth will come out.

The bonehead is probably just puffing his chest out. When he finds out how much a lawyer will charge just to consider his claims, he'll back down.

Hell, the last time I needed a lawyer (ten years ago), he charged me $200 just to write a letter. One lousy, three paragraph letter. However, that one letter stopped my opponent cold in his tracks.

Lawyers aren't cheap.

The ning slowly fades....


Today's membership number - 462!

Fuck yeah! Have you seen Nancy's open thread for the Q&A?
Nobody is really interested in her BS-answers anymore.

Victorious truth.

Anyhow, I know most people want the Fraud to be stopped as soon as possible but lets not put these individuals (except LIEder) under constant fire because it seems they just feel drawn into a corner and defend themselves for the sake of it.

Give em time.
The faster they notice the lack of manifestation and interest, the faster they'll question their previous beliefs.
(Hopefully)



They obviously already feel drawn into a corner and just keep defending themselves.





Gawd. What a dick.
I hate it when people point their anger over being wrong about something towards the one who set it straight.

Hot air in my mind though.... or at least I can't believe he would be so naive to succeed with a false claim.


BTW: Anyone with excessive GLP bans recently?
Whenever I log in with my account I get insta-banned after browsing a couple sites.
Did I hurt someone's (selfish) feelings?

Or at least lets try to keep the insults aside because this whole issue is probably emotionally overloaded for them already anyway.

Just straight the facts.

[link to poleshift.ning.com]

At the latest Ann S. believes her IP got banned by the Gran-cover-up preventing her from posting the "truth" on Phil Plaits bad-astronomy-site:

"Comment by ann s.

Re: Recent ZetaTalk about Phil Plait

"... The Bad Astronomy site run by Phil Plait is yet to be buried, and the atrocious Wikipedia article on ZetaTalk corrected, but these are in the works." [link to www.zetatalk.com]

Phil Plait is busy, busy, busy posting articles at slate.com where he pretends everything is normal and "explains" away what phenomena or events we know are actually due to the near presence of Planet X.

Along with GLP, Slate may be banning anyone who attempts to post about Planet X or Nibiru (specifically on Phil's daily articles there), although this, naturally, is never stated.

The below error message comes up over and over again, but apparently not for all who attempt to post on Phil's articles. My most recent attempt was to tell the truth about the increase in fireballs on his article for January 16, 2013, but it is a total no-go and I think I know why: The cover up! Can I prove my IP has been banned at Slate? Of course not, but it sure appears that way. But the paid shills who lurk on Phil's articles at Slate have no difficulty at all, and they are generally really fast with their ridicule that could have been taken straight out of a paid debunker's playbook: Ridicule the poster with "take your meds" or "where is your tin foil hat?"
There was a server error while trying to submit your item. Please try again in a few minutes. Error: "internal_error".
"


But what truth?
Another Zeta-article with empty claims? Where's the statistics, some scientific, solid research?
Where's the "undeniable" evidence?
Alberto's images? Gordon's flickery animation of the "earth wobble"? The pixel-errors on Soho?

Maybe I just type in the wrong keywords? Where are these articles of factual correlation?

I just can't find them while earth keeps revolving around the sun.

Or lets ask that way,
may I copy n paste "this truth" for you over there?
How about using another computer, or go to local wifi-network?

On the other hand...No. Forget it... It surely must be the grand-cover-up. Watch out... and stay in.

Of course it couldn't be a server issue, like the error message says, it's got to be part of a huge conspiracy to silence a failed internet scamster that currently has fewer than 500 members on her ning. I bet TPTB are spending BILLIONS on this cover up! ROFLMAO!!!!!

Reply from Kris H. on the zetatalk chat

"Hi Nancy, it has been a while since my last question! I was wondering if the Zetas would discuss why there seems to have been a drop off in questions for Zetatalk? Has the suppression of major earth movements, while waiting for the Nibiru announcement, left people with little to question? Or are contactees simply getting their answers directly to their subconscious and satisfying their curiosity in that way? Thanks as always."

Maybe its because if any body asks a sensible question they'll be Instabanned

And now for something else.

Let's forget about Zeta-Nancy-whackos for awhile. They are over and done with. They will dwindle and go away.

Now, some other interesting tidbits:

A psychic named 'Vine' from Australia is calling for these predictions in 2013:

[link to www.vinemedium.com.au]

- Earthquake in Chile
- New surface land forming, worldwide seabed phenomenon
- Record flooding beyond Pakistan and India

Also, I ran into some claimed (haven't verified) Billy Meier channelings from claimed aliens throughout 50s and 70s. Some hand picked examples (from claimed prophecies from 1951):

- ozone layer destruction
- climate warming incl. increased likelihood of storms
- deluges, landslides (esp. in overpopulated areas)
- television and computer in every home
- sect leaders will pump money from gullible through schemes and fear, claiming end of the world (in 2000) and aliens being the saviors
- new viral epidemics, some transferred from animals to humans

Source: [link to www.futureofmankind.co.uk]

BTW, often he gives no years, just vague timelines. Also, he distinguishes between prophecies (may come true, depends on humanity) and predictions (will come true, are already set in motion).

Then some other claimed prophecies (claimed to be from '58):

- Soviet Union will dissolve by 1991 at the latest
- Germany will be reunified
- War to Iraq lead by USA
- 2nd war to Iraq lead by the former president's son, in 3rd millenium
- Genetic manipulation by humans on fauna and flora before 2000
- Rapid advancement of computer technology at the end of 90s
- AIDS will develop by 80s and spread worldwide
- in 2000s there will be economical fraud, million dollar bonuses/golden handshakes, indebtedness, fiat credit and all this results in misery
- by 1993 European Union dictatoships will rise incl. biometric implant for all citizens
- huge deluge of asylum seekers will start before 2000 and asylum seekers will shop around for where to go
- CFCs will destroy atmosphere, resulting in increase of melanoma
- cutting of rainforests will start to reduce oxygen in the atmosphere unnoticeably

[link to www.futureofmankind.co.uk]

I cherry-picked, there are so many of them, many are too vague, hard to test or did not/have not come true.

There are much more at the same web site.

Take it away, boys!

PS. I'm not a believer of his prophecies, nor do I believe with certainty that they were given when claimed. I remain on the fence. I do NOT know. That is the only sane position, unless there is more facts.

IOW she advocating censorship and vandalism.


Of cause all astronomy bloggers do that.

But Plait is the one who exposed Miss Lieder's Bad Astronomy.
So Nancy has a grudge against and an obsession with the guy.

lol,
I think it must be due to: " Or .. contactees simply get their answers directly to their subconscious and satisfying their curiosity in that way?"


All those who are left graduated to dimension "X".
No need to ask Nancy and the Nancy's directly anymore.



I don't get your drift mate.
Do any of these have something has a "track record" (and I mean a true trackrecord unlike Nancy's wannabe record) ??

Even one occurence where they clearly predicted something which would come true?

Why bother with this BS?

Looks like just another LIEder, Masters or Galatic Federation of BS in my mind.

Or lets ask this way,

How can something be predicted that includes ,millions of human decisions?

If someone claims to predict stuff as "reunions" of people or whatever, they invariably include something as "destiny" in their prophecy.


Do you believe in "destiny"?
Or do you think you can actually change your future by taking action?

Hm?

hehe! Another Gold Comedy,
they simply don't want to acknowledge that people have gone away and turned their backs to Nancy:
[link to poleshift.ning.com]
" Comment by ann s.

As I keep saying, the PS ning is about readership, although the ning would be nothing without its posting members.

The number of unique readers revealed by Nancy is really outstanding, especially for a ning. Please note once and for all, paid shills, that readership is rising and is happening with less than 500 members!

Those statistics, who is reading, and the fact the PS ning is a wonderful home for the ZetaTalk Chat may explain why the professional liars/paid shills continue to ridicule Nancy Lieder, the PS ning, Gerard Zwaan, and some PS ning members.

Thank you, Nancy, Gerard, the all-volunteer moderating staff, and ning members.

Comment by Nancy Lieder on January 17, 2013:

"... the ning has reduced the number of members down from 5,000 to 500 or so, deliberately. The goal is to reduce the amount of hand wringing, wailing, and lazy questions - all of which amount to work on the moderators part and no quality of product for the readership. And I might add for the Zetas and myself. The number of readers also has risen from half a million unique readers in a month to a million. Repeat this to yourself a dozen times each morning - "quality not quantity". Thank you." (Emphasis added.) [link to poleshift.ning.com]
"

Yes Numbers are telling indeed.

- The blogs barely get a couple thousand hits anymore (while in the past they would get thousands in a DAY). - The debunkers blog actually was the most popular. (And don't forget that everytime you reload the page you count as an additional Hit)

- Readers and ZT Questions have been on the decrease dramatically...(and surely not due to a lack of existing questions)

- What does Statcounter say? Still even getting 10.000 unique visitors a day on the Ning?
I doubt. Do yourself the favor and go watch for yourself (to the Moderators).

- May Nancy be so pleasent to validate her claims of a "million visitors"?

- Doesn't it sound highly unrealistic that she gets increased attention when the exact opposite seems to be the case?



Of course you won't get any proof from her...Beside hits say nothing about authenticity. And beside Nancy just tries to desperately make herself more important.

Just because many read, follow or believe something, doesn't mean it is MORE authentic.
In that manner, yes, quality not quantity.

And Nancy doesn't has either (and she knows it).
It must suck to be you Nancy, doesn't it?

You may get off the Titanic...or stay and bear the consequences.

the strange thing about a lot of this type of people is that the believe their own bullshit.

The sad thing about these cult-victims is that they are trying to let Indonesia sink again. Indonesia always was and remained an open wound for the Zeta-followers. This step should have marked the beginning of their 7 of 10,- but it has never happened. Back at the end of 2010 crazy Nancy claimed that around 80 percent of Indonesia would sink and drown within two weeks. Of course nothing happened.

Later Nancy tried the same dirty prank with so many other countries out there: Malaysia, Thailand, Pakistan, Kuba, Dominican Republic, Jamaica, Philippines…(just to name a few)! But of course it has never worked. Back at the beginning of 2012 Nancy Lieder even claimed that cities like Jakarta, Bangkok and Phnom Penh were totally under water (between 40 to 80 feet): forever gone. Of course this was another hoax. When the rainy season was over the flooding was over like hundreds of years before.

This was so hard for the true followers to believe and they tried and tried and tried to find evidence for the sinking of these countries. Nancy and her last cult-victims developed a real flood fetish. I bet dirty people like Ann S. and Polspinner were masturbating while they saw some poor people losing everything and drowning. It made them so horny to see some people in the heavy monsoon rains. And they felt so sad after the flooding was gone some weeks later. Welcome in a cult without every connection to reality!

Now they are getting ruttish again because there is the rainy season in many countries of Asia. In a few weeks they will feel so sad again because the rains will be over. Then they will probably tell each other some new hoaxes about an announcement of Obama, show each other some lenseflares (as in the last two years) and wait and wait … And the original topic will be censored. Sometimes your destiny is a part of your stupidity.

Life in a cult is not easy! And if your guru is an old crazy woman you will soon act crazy yourself. I still remember a certain hotel at Bali beach. The name of it was Poppies. Nancy claimed that the whole area there was deep under water in February/March 2011. Guess what?
It is still an attraction for tourists from all over the world! Watch the webcam and decide yourself!
[link to www.poppies.net]

Last Edited by VeritasN1 on 01/17/2013 02:11 PM

Whow. Now that is a heap of adrenaline.
Chill bro.
Even though they are members of an irrational cult doesn't make them monsters.
I doubt they would actually like to see people drowning, although of course they feel exited whenever they seemingly see progress toward "the end and the new beginning" (in their minds an overall betterment).
It is irrational. Denial is prevalent among the ways of their thinking.
Actually, when the Moderators expected Indonesia to be sinking soon they send out letters to all Indonesian-members and told them what they expected.

Of course it was highly misleading and (unawarely) manipulating these individuals but it doesn't change the fact these "believers" actually believed they'd do the right thing (helping these people).

Again, they're not aware that they're misleading people with their supposed beliefs.

Why the hard feelings?

They're humans. And this applies for Nancy too.
Even though she was arrogant enough to assume her past actions wouldn't come after her.
But thats it and there we are on this planet we call "Earth". Lessons.

One can only have a track record if a trusted 3rd party tests the predictions.

The above are CLAIMS by people who have translated Meier's stuff to dozen(+) languages to be the original prophecies/predictions he made in the 50s.

If that is true (I don't know), then that's a decent enough track record, even without counting the false positives (and yes, they should be counted also).

So my drift is to ask those who may be more familiar with Meier case to try and assess his claims.



Looks like just another LIEder, Masters or Galatic Federation of BS in my mind.


Sorry, not familiar with those at all.

According to alexa:

Last 7 days - down 27.94%
Reach - 0.0023% - less than 60,000 internet users

Pure spin and pure bullshit.