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Yes, we on occasion do import posts from the ning for the sheer entertainment value, mainly, and to wonder at the thick-headedness of what is said there. We have invited anyone to come here and attempt to uphold Nancy's claims from the very beginning. No, I don't believe zeta supporters are banned from posting at GLP more than any other random AC has been.

How is this not obsessive and hysterical?

Several hundred words of vile slander, ad hom attacks, bile, threats, and incomprehensible gibberish.
And yet again not a single fact, not a single answer to the pertinent questions asked of you, not a single piece of evidence that Nancy isn't kook heading a wierdo death cult.

Every time you post these you just proof our point.
You guys (and gals) are delusional, you guys are hateful, you guys are utterly incapable of dealing with reality.

You're also to dumb to realise it...

Not really because right now, only you and a few other people are on it and we don't consider the likes of you being all that threatening. After all, "debunkers" have science, Nancy's long list of failed predictions and time on our side.


And that will happen when? Let's see...Obama was supposed to have announced "Planet X" at least twice already. So far that's been one big failure for ya'.


Well, I can guarantee with 100% certainty that won't happen and you'll be making the same comments years from now.


If "Planet X" is so undeniable and it's so obvious that we're paid shills, then why are you wasting so much time here defending Nancy? What is it about this thread that frightens you so much?


Funny how the same statement applies to you doesn't. But let me point something out to you - have you noticed that not ONE of your comments has been deleted? Can you say the same thing about anyone who posts an opposing point of view on the ning? No, you can't. So, tell us, what frightens Nancy so much that she has to delete posts and ban people? If "Planet X" was so undeniable as you keep claiming then Nancy should have no problem defending her claims from anyone who posted an opposing point of view. So, it sounds to me like she knows her position is SO weak that it's better to delete questionable posts so her brain dead believers don't see them instead of having to defend anything she's said.


You say "ZetaTalk" is not a hoax and yet "Planet X" has failed to show up and cause a "pole shift" each and every time Nancy said it would. So, tell us more about how it isn't a hoax.


How do you know? Are you following each and every one of us around on the Internet?


Yes, they do...which leads me to wonder why you keep outing yourself.


Can you please tell us what excuse Nancy will be using when that fails to happen because I and all the others here can say with absolute 100% certainty that said announcement will NEVER come from Obama. But, tell you what, since you're so convinced - how about we make a monetary wager on that? Are you game? Somehow I suspect not - which will only go to show that you have doubt.


I've been here for almost 10 years with the same name. Nothing Nancy has predicted has come true so why should I need to change now or anytime in the future?


Just like suddenly several "believers" have shown up to defend Nancy...like you and FreeStore. A coincidence? I think not.


Again, willing to bet money on that?


I guess you'll never be correct because I'm not going anywhere. Again, I can say that with 100% certainty...and if I do suddenly disappear it's more likely because you or your master had something to do with it.


Let's see...earlier you said that denial was proof that we were "paid shills" so I guess denying that you're Ann is actually proof that you are.

Laughing.
Laughing.
Laughing.

Watch and learn!

The ONLY reason you won't debate with him is because you can't. Plain and simple. If you could, you would just to rub our debunker noses in it. But the fact that you won't speaks volumes and shows how weak your position is.


And thank you for proving our point so well. You've shown how desperate Nancy and all the other believers are getting. You've shown that you fear us and consider us a threat as "Planet X" continues to be a no show. Sucks to be you I guess.


Yes, and you're proving with every post the only one panicking is you. If you weren't, you wouldn't be wasting your time posting here.


And that announcement will be when again? Oh, that's right...it was supposed to be in September and then October and then November. Yawn! Tell you what - come back when that announcement finally happens.


I have no intention of re-writing history. But there won't be any need to anyway - you and ZetaTalk aren't nearly as important as you think.


Again, how much money do you want to wager on this announcement? Like I said in another post - I think you'll refuse to bet anything...which will only go to show that you have doubt that this announcement will ever happen. In which case - Nancy will not be pleased.


Okay, provide SPECIFIC examples of these truths and provide supporting evidence NOT from ZetaTalk. Can you? We've asked others but they all ran away - as I suspect you will.


For you - yes. That's obvious. Otherwise, you wouldn't be here.


And I can't wait to see/hear what your excuse is when this announcement fails to ever happen.


Again, for you - yes.


You're absolutely right - too bad you're the paid shill.

If the existence of Nibiru is so undeniable, why is an announcement from NASA or Obama necessary?

They simply never answer questions like that which call into question the logic of their general story.

It is a distraction,Indonesian is far from sinking and not a single 7/10 event has yet happened. Nancy needed to keep her idiotic followers believing in something.

Why are you describing your master?


If "Planet X" is real...why are you devoting so much time on this thread trying to convince others? Shouldn't it be obvious? That's what your master claims.


I don't know...you tell us shill.


Maybe...maybe not. So what?


Again? When have they been right at all? Provide specific examples supported with evidence from sources other than ZetaTalk. What? You can't? I guess that means one thing:




Can you prove they are? If not, then you're proving just the opposite...again and again.


Okay...and your proof of this is?

And yet you keep coming here and posting. Hmmm.


And that will happen when again?


No, my employer uses direct deposit. What does Nancy use? Anyway, yes, we'll see who's right in the end. But I suspect you'll never admit it when that time comes. Instead, you'll do like all those before you - quietly disappear.

Really? Where's your evidence supporting the existence of "Planet X?" And you claim that "debunkers" refuse to learn? Then riddle me this - why is it that not ONE believer has gotten a telescope, learned how to use it and then used it to photograph "Planet X?" Why is it that not ONE believer has ever contacted an astronomy club and asked to view the night sky with them? Why is it that not ONE believer took Hap, a "debunker", up on his offer to use his professional grade telescope to search for and document "Planet X?" This would have been a win-win scenario for you. Not only would Nancy have the proof she wants so bad but it would have been obtained on equipment owned by a "debunker." The only reason I can come up with to explain why none of you have done any of this is FEAR. Fear of finding out that "Planet X" isn't there. Fear of having your belief system smashed. Fear of having to admit to yourself that you were wrong.


Um, apparently, that must be you because you sure have posted a lot today. Does Nancy pay you by the post or by the hour?


Considering how many times you've posted, I would say that applies to you quite well.


Notice that I posted this morning and not again until this evening. Guess that blows a big hole in your claims. Ooops!

Hey! They'll take it because that's as close as they'll ever get.

OMG. That is the funniest thing I've seen in a while. Lol

Well, finished my homework assignment for my Network Infrastructures Administration class. Off to bed. I'll check in tomorrow to see if Nancy's hired goon is willing to bet money on Obama announcing the existence of "Planet X." Somehow, I doubt they'll do it...which is fine because it'll prove they have doubts about it ever happening. Otherwise, if it's such a sure thing, they'd jump at the chance to make some extra cash to help them prepare for the "pole shift" and rub my nose in it.

As for being paid.........

Is Nancy still sucking money from govt. and/or charity orgs. ?


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Having gotten way to interested in this subject, I began to read the Troubled Times minutes and annual report, and found a very disturbing fact!

A major portion of the funding for Troubled Times (and ipso facto for Zetatalk) comes from the Caleb C. and Julia W. Dula Foundation, based in St. Louis. Last year (or 2000...the records arent entirely clear), they granted TT $25,000, out of a total reported income of $45,000 (almost all from donations)

What makes this disturbing is that the Dula foundation is a well-respected granting organization, with grants to Harvard, Univ of Indiana, Iona Univ, The St. Louis Zoo, etc. They are the 20th largest charitable foundation in Missouri, with $45 million in assets, and who hand out over $2 million in grants a year. What is an organization like this, that "supports projects in the areas of arts and humanities (particularly museums
and libraries), child welfare, the aged, community funds and appeals, health care, religion, and historical preservation. Most groups receiving funds have an established reputation in their particular field" doing giving $25,000 to a misbegotten outfit like Zetatalk...... That is $25,000 that could be better spent on real science education!

Depressing.

You know, I am liking him more and more, the way you keep going on about him.



Oh, my. Then why are you posting on this thread *at all?* You can't *buy* entertainment like this!



Well, it is quite convenient that you are on when I happen to be on. Feel free to show up at this time every day.



You would claim such no matter what. If there are no comments to the contrary, that's positive proof. If comments come too quickly, that's positive proof.

What is the *appropriate* interval between counterposts that is *not* positive proof, in your philosophy?



You are quite welcome.



I await your response to the possibility that such an announcement will never come, what your response would be to that occurring, and how long you are willing to wait before you can *begin* to doubt that such an annoucement is forthcoming.

I expect a long wait for that answer. As long as the wait for PX, I suppose. But the believer's faith is unshakable!



I *continue* to think such an announcement is impossible, since PX, as Nancy describes it, doesn't exist.



Nope, because of the easily proved observations that disprove Nancy entirely. Every eclipse, every transit, every sunrise and sunset, GPS working, sextants working, ancient navigation working, GOTO telescopes operating all combine into a wall of evidence ZT simply cannot address, let alone breach.



Not if such an announcement never, ever comes. And your dilemma will be equally interesting as you wait, and wait...

...and wait...

For how long? Forever? Will you *ever* be able to even *conceive* that Nancy is merely wrong?



And as the days drag by, with no announcement, how many years must go by *this* time before you *consider* that Nancy is merely wrong? I know I have repeated the question often, but no believer has ever truly answered.

Will you be the first? I tend to doubt it. But, as I said before, hope springs eternal.

Article from 2012

"A planet four times the size of Earth may be skirting the edges of the solar system beyond Pluto, according to new research. Too distant to be easily spotted by Earth-based telescopes, the unseen planet could be gravitationally tugging on small icy objects past Neptune, helping explain the mystery of those objects' peculiar orbits.
The claim comes from Rodney Gomes, a noted astronomer at the National Observatory of Brazil in Rio de Janeiro. Gomes presented his recently completed computer models suggesting the existence of the distant planet at a meeting of the American Astronomical Society in Timberline Lodge, Ore., earlier this month."


"For several years, astronomers have observed that a handful of the small icy bodies that lie in the so-called "scattered disc" beyond the orbit of the planet Neptune, including the dwarf planet Sedna, deviate from the paths around the sun that would be expected based on the gravitational pulls of all the known objects in the solar system.
Sedna, for example, swings around the sun in an extremely elongated orbit — tracing out a very long oval. "Sedna's orbit is truly peculiar," said Mike Brown, an astronomer at Caltech who led the team that discovered Sedna in 2003."

[link to news.yahoo.com]

Nothing set in stone guys, more evidence is needed but recent scientific data, that could help to prove the existence of planet x.

Shill.. Your turn

Planet X -- so called by scientists because it has yet to be found -- would have an elliptical solar orbit like Earth, the Kobe University team said, estimating its radius was 15 to 26 billion kilometres.

The team noted that more than 1,100 celestial bodies have been found in the outer reaches of the solar system since the mid-1990s.

Researchers have set up a theoretical model looking at how the remote area of solar system would have evolved over the past four billion years.

"In coming up with an explanation for the celestial bodies, we thought it would be most natural to assume the existence of a yet unknown planet," the university said in its statement.

Researchers at Kobe University in western Japan say theoretical calculations using computer simulations led them to conclude it was only a matter of time before the mysterious 'Planet X' was found

[link to www.sbs.com.au]

That said "1,100 celestial bodies have been found" since mid-1990's - just goes to show how little modern science really knows.

Gomes' hypothetical planet has nothing at all to do with Nancy's claims of planet X, which is supposed to be deep in the inner solar system and hiding near the sun. It's not even the same as Harrington's hypothetical planet X, which was based on perceived perturbations of Neptune and Uranus later realized to be due to an inaccurate figure for the mass of Neptune. This new theory from Gomes proposes a hypothetical planet even farther away than Harrington's, which in turn was much farther from earth than in Nancy's loony ideas. In fact, this new theory is in direct agreement with limits established for the mass/distance function of any as-yet-undiscovered planetary bodies in the far outer reaches of the solar system as seen in this paper:
[link to arxiv.org]
In other words, this theory is in direct disagreement with Nancy's claims. The substance of her claims is what matters, and that substance is in direct contradiction to the very theory you just posted. So good job, you just contradicted Nancy!

Why do u obsess about Nancy, I'm not talking about Nancy??????

Take a step back and listen to your self?? You make fun of any one who believes in ANY TYPE of planet x... All I'm doing is offering information that can justify ones belief in a intruding planet that could effect the solar system...

No need to drag Nancy into this, If shes wrong she'll have to deal with it, and if shes right you will have to deal with it, in this life and the next.

I'm just sharing some research, the truth is out there

Sorry- Nancy's planet is supposed to be hovering near the sun, so what does this have to do with it? It is nothing at all like what Nancy claims.

Mate, I didnt mention Nancy?? You did... Get over her...

Time to move on bud....

Let the obsession go....

Sure you did, by default, when you said: "Shill.. Your turn". Only those who are here to promote Nancy's story use that kind of attack language.

Naw man, you've got it all messed up. Leave Nancy out of this.. If any one is curious they can check out the poleshift.ning.com and zetatalk themselves.

Everybody who participates in this thread already knows about Nancy and the Zetas so lets move beyond that now and explore other possibilities.

If you are so obsessed with Nancy, why dont u contact 60 minutes or 20/20 and expose her real good??

I'm not obsessed, I'm an equal opportunity debunker, but by playing the shill gambit you identify yourself with her and similar loons. But thank you for debunking zetatalk, Nancy, and all other similar PXtards who think a massive body is in or near the inner solar system.

No, I don't. There was a legitimate scientific theory regarding planet X and Gomes is proposing a new theory that bears the same name but not the same characteristics. These are entirely distinct from the bullshit that gets spewed on this forum about "planet X" day in, day out. And it's not just Nancy, YOU'RE the one who takes offense anytime anyone says her name. The problem is bigger than her, there are a number of loons out there making similar claims including Marshall Masters who was just on C2C tonight. Nancy's 15 minutes are up, but there are others out there pushing similar loony ideas that have nothing to do with the theory you just posted. As I said, the theory you just posted is in direct contradiction with these loons. Now try actually addressing my post instead of whining about Nancy.

And the zetatalk fan unmasks himself. Pathetic. Thanks for debunking Nancy though! And others too!

Why is the solar system heating up (no cars on mars)

"Mars may be going through a period of climate change, new findings from NASA's Mars Odyssey orbiter suggest.

Odyssey has been mapping the distribution of materials on and near Mars' surface since early 2002, nearly a full annual cycle on Mars. Besides tracking seasonal changes, such as the advance and retreat of polar dry ice, the orbiter is returning evidence useful for learning about longer-term dynamics".

[link to mars.jpl.nasa.gov]

"Pluto is undergoing global warming, researchers find
October 9, 2002

BIRMINGHAM, Ala.--Pluto is undergoing global warming, as evidenced by a three-fold increase in the planet's atmospheric pressure during the past 14 years, a team of astronomers from Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), Williams College, the University of Hawaii, Lowell Observatory and Cornell University announced in a press conference today at the annual meeting of the American Astronomical Society's (AAS) Division for Planetary Sciences in Birmingham, AL.

The team, led by James Elliot, professor of planetary astronomy at MIT and director of MIT's Wallace Observatory, made this finding by watching the dimming of a star when Pluto passed in front of it Aug. 20. The team carried out observations using eight telescopes at Mauna Kea Observatory, Haleakala, Lick Observatory, Lowell Observatory and Palomar Observatory. Data were successfully recorded at all sites.

An earlier attempt to observe an occultation of Pluto on July 19 in Chile was not highly successful. Observations were made from only two sites with small telescopes because the giant telescopes and other small telescopes involved lost out to bad weather or from being in the wrong location that day. These two occultations were the first to be successfully observed for Pluto since 1988."


[link to web.mit.edu]

that's a 300% increase in atmospheric pressure in Pluto, which is the highest increase in any planet in the Solar system, and it is increasing as Pluto orbits away from the Sun. If the Sun is the cause for global warming in the solar system, as some scientists say, why is it that Pluto, the planet that is the farthest away from the Sun, experiencing the most severe effects, and it is getting worse and worse as it orbits away from the sun?

And there's more evidence.

"rediction of a global climate change on Jupiter
Philip S. Marcus

Top of pageJupiter's atmosphere, as observed in the 1979 Voyager space craft images, is characterized by 12 zonal jet streams and about 80 vortices, the largest of which are the Great Red Spot and three White Ovals that had formed1 in the 1930s. The Great Red Spot has been observed2 continuously since 1665 and, given the dynamical similarities between the Great Red Spot and the White Ovals, the disappearance3, 4 of two White Ovals in 1997−2000 was unexpected. Their longevity and sudden demise has been explained5 however, by the trapping of anticyclonic vortices in the troughs of Rossby waves, forcing them to merge. Here I propose that the disappearance of the White Ovals was not an isolated event, but part of a recurring climate cycle which will cause most of Jupiter's vortices to disappear within the next decade. In my numerical simulations, the loss of the vortices results in a global temperature change of about 10 K, which destabilizes the atmosphere and thereby leads to the formation of new vortices. After formation, the large vortices are eroded by turbulence over a time of 60 years—consistent with observations of the White Ovals—until they disappear and the cycle begins again."

Hey mate, you're the one who brought her up, not me??

I'm the one who is wondering about the solar system warming up