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Those persons who use abusive/negative words towards people like Nancy and readers of Zetatalk and the poleshift.ning have established an emotional connection to these groups or persons.

Whenever an emotional connection stays unanswered the same way it was once established (due to abusive words for example) it creates even more distress in the minds of those who initialized this connection. The Barricade increases in size.

If you are able to disconnect the first step is done and you can proceed to "fight" your enemy in that you get closer to him than ever before.

Since some (?) debunkers do not distinguish between Nancy and the zetas, disconnecting emotionally from Nancy and the Zetas would be required for the next step.

Zetatalk, or let's say the Zetas, are what you say are talking bollox (without having read ALL the Zetatalk with an opened state of mind and heart to your best knowledge!). OK so far.

Now, since you are disconnected from Nancy and the Zetas you will be able to get closer to what you maybe consider as your "enemy", the Zetas. You automatically are more able to read and understand Zetatalk and its vast amount of information. You then will eventually be able to read Zetatalk with an opened mind, your heart and eventually breaking up the hardened denial of what you read. This is NOT meant to be you being suddenly a Zetatalk believer, no way. This is meant to improve your ability to let any zetatalk information flow through your mind while filtering out what is deemed to be BS for you.

At any time you will have full control about the information you accept or not but you need to know about all the aspects the zetas spoke and speak about, not only about planet x and other scientific stuff. Most importantly it is the spiritual part, the part about the soul.

Every time you think and speak and read about spiritual stuff in general you are automatically reconstructing your mindset and maybe establish a new or brighter pathway to your mind/spirit connection.

Whenever you fall back into old habits this pathway most likely is getting narrower.

The rest is your own journey. Zetatalk can be the spark that helps you or not. Free will was given to you by God, so to speak.

Suddenly it is completely irrelevant to you if there is a Planet X, a pole-shift an announcement by Obama or the like.

Whatever one may believe regarding the source of the Messages from the Zetas through Nancy, the contents are so new to us and revolutionary, yet so compelling by their logic and sublime simplicity, that a serious study of them must be undertaken in order to comprehend their significance and challenge.

I can not compete with your knowledge about these things. I believe that you are way ahead of me in terms of your quick mind, knowledge in a varity of other stuff.

The only thing you lack information of is unfortunately the only important thing, your soul and spirituality.

The earth is not halted in its orbit, the moon is not being knocked around by forces from planet X, and the earth's axis is still pointing right where it should, not wobbling around wildly to "simulate the seasons." The zetas are talking bollox. Do you get it? Do you even understand? The fundamental beliefs of your cult are false.

Your comment just disqualified you completely to speak about the subject.

LOL.....Are you like...sure?????...I mean like REALLY REALLY sure???...;)

LOL! Excuse me, but the claims are false. Do you seriously believe the earth is "halted in its orbit," yes or no?

*Uh-oh, I challenged their beliefs, that's grounds for dismissal from the ning.
:badgeofhonor:
Unfortunately for the above zetatard, this isn't the ning.

Last Edited by Astromut on 03/21/2013 08:52 AM

Where's that smilie of the guy banging his head into the wall lol

lol...prolly around somewhere...I don't have that one..

However I DO have this one...latest data animation from JPL...there could be something to this!

LOL! I love that thing.

Your are giving the best possible example of what I was talking about. Thank You, I really appreciate it.

I agree, we should't forget that calling others "paid shills" is ad-hominem too.



True.


Agreed, but isn't that exactly what the debunkers are asking for?
Clear objective discussion, straight facts?



Somehow that doesn't make sense for me or I get it the wrong way.
I mean,
If you think Nancy is in contact with the Zetas = you are connected emotionally in my mind.
Contrary:
If you think its just Nancytalk = you are emotionally disconnected. (debunkers)

btw: You brought me thinking that the fact that we do not distinguish between N and the Zs, or furthermore, not acknowledging a difference, makes it harder for the belivers to reproduce our standpoint.
But then, appearing to distinguish N from the Zs woudln't be right, if you know its all NT...



How much have you read if I may ask? Because you are assuming we haven't read in a proper way.
As you know I've been very deep into it as a Moderator.
The fact that some of the sto-lecture, which Nancy masked herself with, is based on right grounds doesn't change the fact that there's no PX and she's highly misleading people.


Nancy.



And thats exactly the hard mistake the believers are doing.
IF you assume the information comes from (allegedly) highly intelligent aliens, it is not neutral anymore! In fact it is even superstitious and suggests a higher authority.



And when you realized the above and learned to disconnect from all these assumptions, you will eventually realize Nancy has just copied these known concepts from elsewhere to bait her believers because it rings true.

- Is Nancy the first one to bring up these concepts of STO, STS, undecided, transformations, dimensions etc?

No. I can name you sources prior to Nancy.
Book of RA and Lyssa Royal as an example and I know that Nancy is very familiar with these works.



It won't make PX any more real, would it?
It won't make Nancy any more reliable, would it?

Don't see any sense in blindly believing its the truth and coming from aliens.



Talking about Cherry-picking ZT? That is not allowed on the Ning btw.. (not even the Moderators Ning)
And, I would rather research the stuff elsewhere than reading Nancy's twisted versions.





A spark for what?
Don't get fooled by her transferred STO-lecture.



Hell no.. People are dramatically changing their lifes for such bollox.



Revolutionary, compelling by their logic??
But you're not talking about ZetaTalk are you? (And you still haven't answered Hydras question - regarding "compelling by their logic")

Last Edited by MoreAboutTunnelVision on 03/21/2013 09:13 AM

That's either ironic, or karmic.

Do you seriously believe the earth is "halted in its orbit," yes or no?

So, you're trying to teach us to "disconnect" but you say Astro gets insta-disqualified? For what??

Because you think he's a paid shill?

Then you can't disconnect.

Id say take his words as anyone elses.. and the same counts for NT.

Last Edited by MoreAboutTunnelVision on 03/21/2013 09:20 AM

I abolutely don't know if he is a payed shill and to be honest this is not my business. I refered to his black and white question which is completely the opposite way to do of what I was talking about beforehand.

It's this thing called reality. Earth is either halted in its orbit, or it's not. The zetas claim it is; that is a claim of fact, it's either true or it's false. Do you believe it is true?

But its a legitimate question and obviously a manner used to get ZT-believers confronted with uneasy facts in the hope that they might question it.

You might be right that other approaches could be more productive, but then what you described above wasn't really an alternative..

ZetaTalk claims to be bull-free.. Earth is halted is bull, so its legitimate to question it in my mind. As blunt as it may be.

Id be interested to hear your opinion though, how we could improve communication.

How about defining some core-attributes for communication?
like criticism should be allowed,
everyone's perspective should be heared and respected,
avoidance of logical fallacies (ad hominem, etc),
..
..
..
but then,
(PS-Ning rule #2: No debating the reality of Planet X and the validity of ZetaTalk.)

So it would seem the PS-Ningers would need to get here first until we could have an open discussion... but then they don't even want to really discuss..
Questions brought up are ignored. Instead ZT gets posted.
How communicative.
oh right...

Last Edited by MoreAboutTunnelVision on 03/21/2013 09:42 AM

So, with this, you are confirming that Zetatalk is a mere belief-system. A religion. Nothing more.

I thank you for your confirmation. I have long suspected such.

All right. I am trying to answer it and hope that I find the right words. My answer is that I don't know it, honestly I have absolutely no idea if that really happened or not and I am completely unable to speak with you about the subject because when I've read about it some time ago I filtered it out, so to say. I took it into consideration, found that it would take to much time to understand and dropped it so it wouldn't distract me from what I'm really trying to gain.

This does NOT mean I am running away from it, I just filtered it out to be of any importance to me after having read about it, true or not true - I cannot evaluate. I don't care, hence I don't follow this "Moon was halted in its orbit or not" thing because there is no spiritual outcome for me.

As an example: I also filter out what is said to be Nancy Talk. It is my understanding that she as a human is erroneous in some things and in others not.

Also I filter out what Ann s. says sometimes, because I consider it as unnecessary to call a person she does not know personally to be a payed shill. She simply answeres the emotional call on her with a negative emotion -

AC 36382091, the communication between us has improved, wouldn't you argee?

I think because we eventually managed to get on a basis where we can exchange arguments and respect each other for our views. (Not to be confused with objective facts.)

But why can some believers seemingly not get past the "paid debunker thing"?
You must agree that an emotional barrier to avoid a critical discussion seems plausible? I mean, what matters is the message, not the messenger so much.

Even though it wasn't directed to me, I want to thank you.
Glad communication improves fast.

Regarding the subject I can relate to some of the things you describe... but again I wouldn't make these exclusive to Nancy.
She's not the first to bring up these concepts, as right as some may be.
Also, I hope you'll find what you're seeking and then be able to move on... because going over Nancy's homework is like... um.. there are better things to spend your time with :)

Sharing is caring.

Last Edited by MoreAboutTunnelVision on 03/21/2013 10:04 AM

One little problem... there is really nothing new or revolutionary about what "Zetas" say about spiritual matters. The whole "STO" thing is a spiritual trap, IMHO. Your presumption that none of the debunkers understand anything in the 'spiritual' realm speaks volumes... about YOU.

I abolutely agree with you.

Ok, I see it in a different way but If I start now to tell you to read...,...,... we are running in circles again. This obvously cannot be solved between us, I guess.

Why would anyone have to be paid to simply explain factual astronomy? All he did was cite some "Zeta" claims which are demonstrably false. Are you claiming that those "Zeta" claims are NOT false? How so? Is it some alternate reality thing? Fine, if that is what you are alluding to, then SAY SO! If you feel that you or anyone can find a way to inhabit a reality where the Zeta astronomical claims are true, then SAY SO. You have dismissed or even indicted Astro for doing nothing more than describing our physical surroundings in an accurate way. If you are immune to having to accept those physical surroundings at face value, please enlighten the rest of us on how you have accomplished that.

Then why did YOU come on here, touting "Zeta accuracy" about such things?

I appreciate your perspective.
I think it might be worthy to point out that the debunkers main impulse seems to be the fearmongering of Nancy (Just like her latest Post on the Ning) and the resulting paranoia and confusion it conducts among people.

I don't think there's much discussion over the morale concepts... as they are usally subjective issues everyone has to sort out for himself.

Now, how can we improve connection between the more hardened believers?

I'd be really interested in your feedback.
What, in your opinion, struck out the most in a negative way regarding having a mature discussion when you came here?
Or, in other words, what was very counter-productive in regards to a discussion?

They way people answered? The tone?

Thanks.
Eventually your feedback could save time and improve efficiency of all parties involved.

Last Edited by MoreAboutTunnelVision on 03/21/2013 10:26 AM

You act as if we have been in a discussion about spirituality all along. We have not. YOU came on here touting GENERAL "Zeta accuracy", did you not? You pretended that we simply couldn't "understand" what Zetatalk was saying and danced around, alluding to some mysterious content which we just hadn't grasped. Nonsense! Spirituality is NOT what we have been discussing and I daresay, with all due humility, that I have some insight into that area. If you desire to discuss general spirituality, then SAY SO! There may be some who are interested in engaging in that discussion. On the other hand, it is the Zeta supporters who constantly claim that the Zeta claims about the PHYSICAL WORLD are accurate, when they are demonstrably not.

I have reread your message and found my answer to it to be incomplete.

The spiritual part in Zetatalk cannot be found only in those sites where they describe the soul or spirit. It is distributed througout the whole zetatalk domain but most importantly (to me) is the part about the soul and spirit and science and so on. Zetatalk should be considered as a whole. The way the zetas describe a spiritual development (STO - STS) including all the grey tones is something I understand but this is not really the mind blowing way to describe it, in my opinion. Anyway, it is their way to explain it.

Because ann s said so? Calling somebody you don't know a paid shill without having seen the paychek is a NO-GO, imo. They are running into the same problems like everyone else would.



I think a barrier to a certain degree is not only plausibel but necessary to survive.



Absolutely.