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Having been part of such things in the past- can I humbly suggest that altho such things are indeed fun,

in the long term they are extremely counter-productive in fighting such woowoo cults??

(I have found in the past that they will use a two pronged attack as a response...)

first woowoo response- `SEE HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE SEEING THIS- It MUST be right!!!'

second woowoo response- ` We must be right- the debunkers are so desperate as to hack our site- proving us right!!'

better to not give them that ammunition- just stick to the facts

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Naa, if the claim they are under attack - that would be quite laughable: 1200 hits/hour

It's just to show how easy their numbers are to manipulate since every reload increases the counter - they count PIs not unique users.


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According to Alexa, Nancy's ning traffic rating is +19,205. A positive number means the site is LESS popular. Back in the day, Nancy thought it meant her site was MORE popular. In early 2012, her site ranked between 20,000 and 40,000. She's now in the 100,000...that's quite a drop in popularity. Her reach, the estimated percentage of global internet users who visit poleshift.ning.com has dropped to .0019%. Down from a peak of .008%. Page views are down from a peak of .0004% in early 2012 to 000034% over the last 7 days. Page views per user is also down from a peak of 6 in early 2012 to just 2.

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There's also Second WoWoo Response B - "The debunkers are silent; proving us right!!!"

good to see (hi C.B.-long time no speak)
thats certainly a massive drop from her all time `high' years ago- good to see

(does Alexa have records back to 2003?- I tried to find anything from then but this computer is not cooperating (Alexa doesnt seem to like early firefox's) and this computer actually dates from the time that planet x first parked itself in orbit and killed us all the first time...


oh thats right- it didn't LOL

Sounds like the zippers don't know Bode's Law too well and Nancy has a light grasp of it.


"Comment by Wayne wilson yesterday
Ah thanks Nancy....so Bodes Law explains previous passage of Planet X and the formation of earth and our moon. I wish I could've posted that article with the scientific research on Bodes Law but I only use an iPad.

Comment by Nancy Lieder yesterday

@Wayne,

That's Bodes Law, that model, which states that the way the planets are sling around the Sun indicates yet ANOTHER body should be there."

Alexa only goes back a couple years.

However, when it was possible to see zetatalk's raw statistics from the ISP, it was apparent that Nancy was either misinterpreting or just plain inflating her web statistics when she thought server requests were valid popularity numbers.

Unfortunately, the first page of zetatalk results in dozens of server requests because of the graphics and such on that page.

Sadly they use any response (or lack of it even) as an excuse to crow `zetas rite agun'

The trick is to make it so obvious that `they' are so absolutely, completely, totally wrong that even the most retarded person can see that what they are claiming is wrong


We have a rather good rate at this however- hence the zetatards were reduced to using people like elle, melfy, luser etc


The latest crop makes even `them' look like the pinnacle of intelligence however- doesn't say much for how much nancy is paying her bunkers these days- a weekly bunker paycheck from any of the major bunkers seems like its not going to give you change from a dollar coin LOL

`Unfortunately, the first page of zetatalk results in dozens of server requests because of the graphics and such on that page.'

almost like it was deliberately designed that way- so she could claim an increased popularity that in reality didnt exist

:-O

(much like planet x itself LOL)

Neither do you.

They do neither understand statistics nor astronomy. Besides that they also have a strong tendency to misinterpret all actual news. They just copy them and think they have found some proof for their weird theories. In reality all of these news just show the opposite. I think that our funny cult friend “kiwi-AC” dropped the ball here. There is nothing special in these news.

Besides that even Nancy`s spiritual soup is a poisonous mixture of stolen respectively copied things. I knew that COS – and Menow was right here too – but I think I just didn`t express it the right way. Most people won`t know it but the term STO was first used by the mormons. It is another word for charity a term which was used in the bible. Normally cults and sects change such words and try to create their own sublanguage to keep their cult followers in the line. So Nancy`s spiritual concept is another theft. She shows no respect for the intellectual property of others. Half of her Ning is an unadulterated plagiarism. The cult followers probably think that stealing other people`s property is highly STO.

[link to mormon.org]
It is for sure no coincidence that the Mormon cult is very strong in the area where Nancy Lieder (Liar) lives.

@Hydra: I appreciate your efforts to show the lies of Nancy Lieder to the public. But I`m not sure whether it is right to boost their page artificially because they will claim that this in reality only shows their popularity. Only a few fools participate there regularly. December 2012 broke their cult neck. Besides that they will abuse your trick to manipulate their hits. So every newcomer will think that this page is very popular while in reality only a few zealots are doing their dirty business over there. Please don`t understand me wrong but they will pull out this dirty cult trick. We know that it is a bad joke but the newcomers on their page don’t know it. And as the cult is very desperate in these days as they have no more active members they will for sure abuse this dirty trick to fool innocent people. That is what Nancy always did.

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@COS:
Yes I remember the little episode with Chris Thomas Wakefield. I saw his Ning and was really amused. He tried to act as a kind of perfect copycat of Nancy Lieder. Chris Thomas Wakefield, the new Lord of the Zetas…. Lol….

But I think he exaggerated it a little bit. When he even started to talk with Jesus and tried to act as god`s holy archangel on earth he went a little bit too far. I guess he saw the chance for good business and he understood how Nancy worked. So he wanted to get a piece of the cake. But his page was pure comedy gold. He even pretended that he could rise your karma level. I also saw his house and knew from the first moment that we have a real hillbilly here.

Of course Nancy does the same what he tried to do: but though her story is full of apparent lies she is acting a little bit better than Wakefield. It looks like those hoax-aliens have a fondness for characters like Wakefield and Lieder.

This is almost as funny as Nancy !!

"Because of the Sun’s rotational energetics, Planet X always assumes a retrograde orbit (in other words: an opposite rotational and orbital direction) when segwaying through our Solar System, this resulted in a stand-off between Earth and Planet X. Since Planet X is 23 times the mass and 4 times the size of Earth, Earth just came to a halt (as if you came upon a large fallen rock standing in your way on a narrow pathway).


A trillion/trillion tons of planet travelling at 108,000 km/h
comes to a stop? where are the brakes?

Utter Stupidity!

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Nancy's ("Zetas") story about the repulsion effect, which is what is supposed to cause all this 'slowing' and 'halting', falls right apart when you find the places where she/they describe the strength of that force relative to gravity. She/they say that the repulsion force rises to equal the force of gravity at the "point of contact between the bodies". Whoops! In other words, there would be NO net 'slowing' of PX approaching the sun or Earth until the two bodies actually CAME IN CONTACT WITH EACH OTHER! Heh...

Excellent Menow.

So we have been hit by Nibiru and didn`t notice it. Nancy`s cult is really full of bullshit. I bet this Nibiru hit Nancy and Flareberto right on the forehead.

Knock, Knock ...

What do the Zetas have to say about repulsion force?
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The above is an excerpt from:
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Well...

Given it apparently has the density and mass of a lens flare -- that might have been exactly what happened.

Interestingly, though, comets plough into the Sun like there is no repulsion force, planets continue to move like there is no repulsion force, deep space probes continue to move like there is no repulsion force, and orbits continue just as Newton predicted, making such a force completely unnecessary to explain anything observed. It seems to only affect Nancy's invisible, intangible, and undetectable planet.

Can you propose an experiment *isolating* this force, please?

[link to www.zetatalk.com]

Where the repulsion force comes to equal the force of gravity by the time the objects in play would make contact, it builds at a rate that differs from gravity. ... The repulsion force is infinitesimally smaller than the force of gravity, but has a sharper curve so that it equals the force of gravity at the point of contact.
ZetaTalk™, Repulsion Force

In other words, by the "Zetas" own claims of the strength of the alleged repulsion force, there could be NO NET SLOWING of two approaching objects. Gravity would still be the stronger influence right up until the bodies COLLIDED! Heh.

Did you read the content of the link(s)?

Yes. Several times. And it's still garbage.

Garbage for the garbage can. Incredible that some people still swallow this bullshit. Their astronomy seems to be born in the garbage can ...

Stupid people do stupid things and they believe into stupid things.

Hi Veritas,

I had the same thoughts before but I decided to do the little hoax.

Some weeks ago Nancy pointed to the "overwhelming numbers of readers" implying the numbers show unique users (Are ZetaTalk fans welcome now?). So I looked a little into it.

She already plays her dirty little tricks:
Attaching new "Flarebertos" to old "Flarebertos" - almost doubling the numbers this way.
Digging out old post and putting it to the front page again - thus also increasing the numbers.
With time she (or Gerard Zwaan) had found this way (to boost the numbers) by herself.

But now - if she again points to her "overwhelming numbers of readers" - we can show, how easy it is to manipulate this numbers.
Nobody (even the ning tards) will believe, that her 7 of 10 had 25,000 readers or the Flarebertos 60,000.

And I'm covinced, that more poleshitters than ever read GLP (thanks to the promotion of Ann S.) and now know about the hoax - making it more difficult to Poleshit-Nancy to use it herself.

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By just watching Sesamstraße as a kid most people would have acquired enough knowledge about how reality works to see right through the ZT bullshit.

I just don't get it. Were some people literally raised inside a barrel?

It goes a little like this;

Mad person: 2+2 = 6

Sane person: no it doesn't, here's the calculation

Mad person: but if you're telling me that 2+2 = 4 then you must be a shill & lying.

Sane person: no, here, again, is the calculation

Mad person: *ad hominem*

I think you are right here. Why shouldn't they? It is an interesting site full of valuable information about many sociological aspects.

I extend a welcome to them - not only as readers but also as contributors (Yeah, they should refrain from posting the complete ZataTalk here :)).

Don't know if I made this offer to you or an other Polshifter - if it was you, the offer still stands.

I invite you to join me for an observation day/evening (near Hamburg or near Osnabrück, your choice).
You will get your own telescope including sun filter (and I also can bring some old floppys) to use and I will show and explain you, how to set it up, how it works, what to see.
You are free to search the complete day and night sky.

And even if you don't find Planet X - there is so much to see, the Universe is beautiful.

(And yes, at GLP I'm sometimes quite rude - but in real live I'm a quite nice guy.)


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Thank you for the offer. If you have read my postings beforehand you will see that is it not so important to me if I am able to see planet x personas or the like.

In fact the whole Zetatalk about Planet X might well be used a force (fear) used to move or to prepare mankind for the other stuff mentioned on Zetatalk. I am NOT saying that is so, I just have this in the back part of my head whenever I read Zetatalk. Things like an announcement by Obama, Planet X complex or Moon Swirls beeing visible in the sky or stuff like that could exactly be made up by unkown entities which orientation I can not exactly evaluate.

I am trying to be prepared mentally, spritually for "whatever" is to come. And if there is "nothing" to come I will live my life in a different spiritual way etc etc, you get the message.

I would like to thank you for not using negative description / words regarding the polehift.ning readers.

Read them for what, specifically? I know what the Zeta claims are regarding the repulsion force.

Did you read what I posted and the supporting link?

Yes, I have read your link and your assumption and according to the content of the websites I posted as an excerpt and some other discussions on the google search result link, the Zetas have proven to be correct about a repulsion force existence and its mechanics, thus I think your assumption is incorrect, to my understanding, I must say.