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I just had to share this with you.....I was crying with laughter!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, AWESOME!

The whale is my favourite! Glad you enjoyed it :))

It must be a quarterly effect as it seems these people pop out just before or after spring, summer, fall, winter, starts every time. I been living here in canada and never seen anything crazy effects off the sun like they have. I seen the photos these individuals trying to pass off as "nobeer4you" in other threads if such a thing existed. Amazing how much they want to believe its real all those lens flares or captured photos of the moon behind the small clouds. PT Barnum best describe this "A sucker is born every minute" as well as "There is a silver lining in every crowd" which basically means if there is money to be made off gullible people someone is going try to take advantage of them.

Hey everyone, I came across this forum when all of that Pattie Brassard interview stuff came out, so I apologise in advance because I know I shouldn't be here on this topic. I've never believe any doomsday predictions in my life, but for some reason this one I randomly have moments where I wonder if it might be true, even though I wouldn't say I believe it. So I'm here just to try to kill off those little moments where I'm being illogical, if that's OK. I won't interrupt your thread after this post, I just know that this is where all the debunkers are speaking, so figured asking here was a good idea.

A planet four times the size of Jupiter, you'd definitely be able to see it by now, wouldn't you? Either with the naked eye, or through a telescope. I don't know how close she claimed the second sun or planet would be to Earth, but it sounds like something you'd definitely be able to see (or feel?) by now, right?

Also, this one's really just out of curiosity because I've never paid any attention to hoaxers or such things. Is it normal for hoaxers to claim things that are so easy to disprove? By which I mean, if you've predicted the end of the world by something in the Bible, you can neither prove nor disprove that, because it's the Bible. Whereas this woman said that if you're looking with the right viewer, you should see the second sun to the lower right of our sun. This sounds pretty stupid to me, because you can simply look at the sun and not see it, therefore proving it wrong. Why would someone say something easy to disprove as part of a hoax, is it a common thing to do? Seems stupid to me.

Anyway, sorry again for posting here, I'm just hoping for intelligent people to reply with their facts, therefore putting the nail in the coffin to my illogical thoughts. Thanks a lot.

Yes. You'd be able to see it. For many months, naked-eye, and for decades with a telescope. There is no way anything like that could sneak in to be near the sun without being seen by thousands of astronomers.

No apologies necessary. I think all of us here appreciate genuine questions and respect the fact that you are being honest with yourself. That will serve you well when attempting to navigate through all of this doomsday hoopla.

I agree with Menow’s comments. Astronomers (professional and amateur alike) live for new discoveries. We would easily detect anything of that size near our sun and you would quickly know about iy because there is simply no hiding something like that. Of course there are also the gravitational consequences such an object would have and we see no such perturbations.

Welcome. And please feel free to converse more! You've only scratched the surface with your post.



Oh my, yes. Look at how bright Venus can be. Now imagine that Venus were much, much larger. Of course you'd be able to see it.

Also, you'd get the object doing things like transiting the Sun -- something PX never seems to be able to do.



Sure. Heaven's Gate comes to mind.




Yes. But in cults (for lack of a better term) believers will shape their perceptions to the belief rather than the other way around. People have believed all sorts of strange things that are contrary to perception or even measurement. Nancy's cult is no exception.




It isn't about intelligence, necessarily. Very intelligent people have bought into cults in the past. And you may have the knowledge to easily disprove that the Earth is not halted in its orbit, as Nancy has claimed for years -- but if one doesn't have the knowledge about the Sun hiding certain constellations at certain times, how could one know, or prove it to another? Secondly, the aliens, it will be claimed, are merely *testing one's faith.* Believe Nancy, not your lying eyes.



Thinking rationally about such issues takes practice. You are asking the right questions. Might I recommend Carl Sagan's "Demon Haunted World," and Festinger's "When Prophecy Fails" for further insights.

In my opinion this is a method to create further "dissonance".
What I mean is, that currently you just have these illogical thoughts on occasion which is perfectly normal for a human brain (I guess).

Problems can evolve when others try to further "dissonate" you from your regular way of thinking into an illogical belief that becomes your new "reality".

How can someone create further "dissonance"?
If that person or ideology perviously gained trust among their believers, throwing out some totally illogical claim can further create "dissonance" because they will be faced with a conflict of their previous beliefs(actually the portrayed belief of the guru) and the rational mind (themselves).
Unfortunately, it appears many choose to stay in the "cozy feeling" and avoid conflicts with their beliefsystem.
If this type of "dissonance" starts to be dictating the thought-process these people will mistrust anyone(even their own judgement) and only trust what their guru/group/source says.
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As for me, I very much appreciate your courage to step forward with your thoughts and personal conflicts!
Welcome






Mine was the lizard.
But after the bloppers (accessible at the end of the video) I thought these guys are rather



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Well, for some the lenseflare season never ends. And they are always making the same stupid mistakes and think they`ve found a planet. If it was there you could see it with your naked eye (not only through your smartphone or some weird old floppy discs. This is completely crazy.

But cults don’t follow a logic pattern. Their system depends on pseudo religion and pseudo science. And I was absolutely right that Nancy tries to avoid now any precise date for the announcement. She tends to use vague predictions she can correct later with some lame excuses. Now she claims that her aliens don’t want to give the cultists the date or timeline for the so called announcement. Last year in September she didn`t have the slightest problem to give a more or less precise date. But like always when it comes to LIEDer`s predictions they will end in complete failure. This year she claimed that the accouncement was imminent and will most likely happen in July or August. Now she forgot this again and tries to change her prediction to fool the gullible further.

She even uses this failed prediction as an excuse for her big hoax with the 7 of 10 which was a tempest in a teapot. It simply didn`t happen. It`s incredible that Nancy`s bigots were collecting faked data to prove her 7 of 10 theory,- especially to prove the sinking of Indonesia. One and a half years ago she still claimed the Sunda Plate was under water. Now she says: “Hey cultists, it was all a joke. But this doesn’t matter because Obama will soon make a kind of announcement.”

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Astronomers - both professionals and amateurs - would trace an object of that size that is on it`s way into the inner solar system more than a decade before it would arrive.
Besides that Nancy`s claim that it is hidden in a dust cloud is completely hilarious. The dust cloud would make a planet even more visible especially if it was close to the sun. This dust cloud would cover a part of the sun like in a transit. Nobody could miss it.

Thanks for all of your replied, it's greatly appreciated. Just one more question, if that's OK. I just saw this video:



I know the two specs of light that move around are lens flares, but the one that doesn't move with the camera you can see lowering as time goes on in the video, so presumably it isn't something from the camera. Is it most likely the moon, or is that not possible?

Lens reflection/refraction can occur in many different ways.

Your main argument against such videos should be that a REAL physical planet would have vast implications on various scales and it would be impossible to hide it from people around the world.

In this video it doesn't look like the moon either, so again I tip on a reflection.
At around 4:22min you can see a similar reflection (in size and appearance) at 12 o clock.

These type of videos are always done with amateur-equipment but you'll never see something like that on a telescope with proper filters in my opinion.

Ad hoc:
I created this video a while back, to show that a lens flare does not necessarily has to move, unless you change angle between sheets (Camera and Filter for example).

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Worth posting again:

Although he calls it a lens flare, it's really better known as a "filter flare" which as mentioned above is why it doesn't move unless the "filter" moves. The filter can be any piece of flat glass in front of the lens. A window, a protective cover of a cell phone camera, etc.

If the clouds acts like a lence itself from ice crystals, it could be a cloud flare

I know what you mean about filter flares and etc., I was asking more because the 'object' lowers over time throughout the video, so I assumed it was something actually in the video.

Well the sun's causing the flare and it's getting lower over the course of the video, so too will its resulting reflection or filter flare.

I have just been checking Alberto`s latest lenseflares. They are jumping around like crazy dogs. Is it possible they make a kind of sundance?

But for the ningtards this is magic. They congratulate each other to that great shot and think it is amazing. And Pixel-Poli (PP) is changing the colours of the lenseflares. I wonder who is more stupid, PP or Flareberto.

invisible metal-boxes, earth wobble, the "dark twin"....

Yes there certainly are lot of these totally irrational claims.
One of the most irrational certainly is the "earth halted BS", because its one of those claims where Nancy wants to have it both ways:
- to be real,
- and not real (simulated),

When they discuss Flarebertos images the basis that Nancy uses for her skychart (or furthermore the basis that Nancy's program uses) is the regular skychart as calculated by mainstream science.

Obviously this "earth is halted BS" did not really fruited as desired so she pulled up the "sky is simulated excuse" to further give responsibility to someone else and have an excuse when everything is normal (as usual), while keeping the possibility open to exploit the simulation whenever she finds alleged twirling Moonswirls or whatever to confirmation-feed her followers.

"Consistent" Zeta-believers must believe the sky is simulated as they are not able to deny the fact that we're not out of position, in that Nancy managed to spread enough "dissonance" so that they won't trust their own judgement anymore.
They might look at an astronomical event and must think this all somehow "simulated"...
BUT there is no simulation! No sudden changes!
Planets do not just jump out of the norm, otherwise it be noted, so how do you get a "simulation" neccessary to go undetected by all astronomers around the world?

Right. You just show the course as usual, in other words, THE ACTUAL COURSE.

Then they should ask themselves where the difference in Nancy's "simulation" and our "reality" lies to possibly conclude:

There is none! Its one and the same!

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It`s difficult to judge who is the undefeated heavyweight champion of stupidity over there. But one thing is sure. If we talk about stupid or crazy people guys like PP, Alberto, Khan and all the rest of it will always stand in the front row. They are the Ningtards who want to find evidence for a planet which doesn`t exist. We call this phenomenon the "Nobeeryou Paradox".

But such things will always happen if some people stay too long in a cult. The effects have a strong influence on their mental health. Some awake, others get totally lost. At least Ann S. found out what Nancytalk is all about: hoaxes, inconsistence and very nasty internet pranks.

Apart from that my own prophecy about Nancy`s latest behaviour was again a hit and strike.

In her latest 7 of 10 hoax letter Nancy babbles a lot of nonsense about all kinds of weird things. But she definitely tries to avoid the topic of the announcement now. Litterally spoken you can feel that she absolutely wants to get rid of it. She is wringing her hands in desperation and looking for a flimsy excuse. But she can`t find one. She had to cancel her 7 of 10 predictions due to total failure and now she needs something. But this announcement was a boomerang which smacked her hard on her fraudulent forehead. And more and more of her zealots get wary and can see her apparent lies.

The old and always cheating guru from Wisconsin is in big trouble now...

Last Edited by VeritasN1 on 08/15/2013 03:51 PM

Did Ann S. get in touch with anyone after breaking up with nancy?

So far I haven't heared anything from her.
I hope she will get in touch though, it would be nice to talk to her from another perspective putting aside all the ZetaBS.

Ann S. is still registered as a member of the poleshit.ning, but couldn't find her Astrogal account.

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I could see how a withdrawal from a cult-like environment might be depressing. It probably takes a toll on one’s ego.

One day you are living in a world with exotic aliens and mystery planets. You may even believe you are contributing to discoveries that the best minds on earth have yet to understand or detect. If the bubble truly bursts, you may suddenly find that you aren’t quite as special as you once felt. I can see how that might be hard.

I could be wrong about MoreAboutTunnelVision, but it seems like “activism” really helped in his case. Being honest and admitting errors and then trying to help others out of the pit of deceit from which you just arose has to be a big aid in the recovery process.

Well observed Setheory.
Absolutely it was a recovery process for me in getting engaged in further clearing up the Zeta-issue.
Furthermore, writing the expose, planning the release and doing it certainly was a huge relief in regards of damage reduction for me though not enough for a "full recovery".

The fact that I am still here, discussing these topics speaks for itself.

Without a doubt, being active here on this thread by reflecting different viewpoints and expressing opinions helps to a HUGE DEGREE to process the information.

I like to encourage anyone to come forward with his thoughts or worries because talking about them can open the possibility for new input.

The keyword is (correctly as you named it):
Activity (Vitality) contrary to passiveness (Depression).

Its important to fill the void that the bursting bubble created.
For me that ment sorting out the issue and concluding a worldview based on a different model from now on.


Thank you all for your participation again.

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You have my respect....

Much appreciated and absolutely likewise!

I often wondered how you got involved into the Zeta-Saga because you apparently have an in-depth-understanding of the matter.

Not that I really expect an answer from you now,
but I just wondered if it would be possible to gain such an insight without having been "into it".

Last Edited by MoreAboutTunnelVision on 08/16/2013 07:05 PM

I have a similar story I've never shared. I'm on my iPhone now, but maybe I'll fire up my laptop on a Saturday morning and share that tale with you.

What? Ann has parted ways with Nancy? When did this happen?