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ZetaTalk - 13th June 2009 - Debunkers Deluxe Debate on the Starburst Failure

 
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ZetaTalk - 13th June 2009 - Debunkers Deluxe Debate on the Starburst Failure
We have already had the Nancy Pandemic failure this week.
The Black Box Failure is looking on the cards too.
I think we should compile a list of the many failures of Nancy. Also by keeping out of her thread as an experiment it will show her shill bunkers for what they are. Deluded morons and attack hounds, which posess severe cultic attributes.
We do not need 2012 to call Zetatalk a failure.
It has been a dead duck for a long time.
Time to open more sweets Nancy.
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I think we should compile a list of the many failures of Nancy.
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May 15, 2003.

Don't really need any others.
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debunk
A voice of reason in a world of woo-woos.
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I think we should compile a list of the many failures of Nancy.


May 15, 2003.

Don't really need any others.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 548017

Ah... The great White Lie. That is when the final Nail was driven in to this foolishness, however it has been amusing watching her and her few minions backpeddle and stutter over that and many other failures.
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Please tell me: are there people REALLY believing this Zeta bullshit ?
Its in the same class like Blossom Goodchild and Peggy Kane and many others.

I really should go on and make up my own weirdo club and write some stupid books to make some money with those weirdos ... if someone believes in bullcrap like this it would not be immoral to get some bucks out of their pockets IMHO.
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Please tell me: are there people REALLY believing this Zeta bullshit ?
Its in the same class like Blossom Goodchild and Peggy Kane and many others.

I really should go on and make up my own weirdo club and write some stupid books to make some money with those weirdos ... if someone believes in bullcrap like this it would not be immoral to get some bucks out of their pockets IMHO.
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Where can I send you a check? Oh wait, that's right, I AM NOT A BELIEVER. I take it back.
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
 [link to www.zetatalk.com] 

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Please tell me: are there people REALLY believing this Zeta bullshit ?
Its in the same class like Blossom Goodchild and Peggy Kane and many others.

I really should go on and make up my own weirdo club and write some stupid books to make some money with those weirdos ... if someone believes in bullcrap like this it would not be immoral to get some bucks out of their pockets IMHO.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 701688

I am afraid some still do.. Many have dwindled over the years and she is just left with a handfull of dubious followers.
One must ask what their intentions actually are given the circumstances.
I actually feel more sorry for Nancy these days than anything else. The delusions and messianic complex of a sick old Woman is being kept live by severalo "helpers" that portray shady agenda's.
To any reasonable individual, it is plainly apparent that Zetatalk is nothing but bunk. She doesnt need debunking.. she has done a fantastic job herself.
To the debunkers i am sure these days it is just entertainment for them and an interest in seeing the final fail.
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Please tell me: are there people REALLY believing this Zeta bullshit ?
Its in the same class like Blossom Goodchild and Peggy Kane and many others.

I really should go on and make up my own weirdo club and write some stupid books to make some money with those weirdos ... if someone believes in bullcrap like this it would not be immoral to get some bucks out of their pockets IMHO.

Where can I send you a check? Oh wait, that's right, I AM NOT A BELIEVER. I take it back.
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***

You are the worst of the lot. Saying your on the fence when your pathetic own threads and constant defending of the subject clearly shows your position.
And shows you to be a liar as well as a coward and a puppet.
Your intentions are very questionable.
Worse than any of the so called "debunkers"
Your numbers up Kid!
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i feared that 1 or more of the bunkers would use our abstenance and try to take advantage of it.
I have watched the number of views go up 100s in the last few minutes.
I am sure they are trying to make up for lack of views by refreshing the thread.
Just shows who the bad guys reall are in all this.
Defenders of lies.
Fighters against truth.
Liars.
Homophobic

Just several of the negative traits employed by the Nancybois.
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i feared that 1 or more of the bunkers would use our abstenance and try to take advantage of it.
I have watched the number of views go up 100s in the last few minutes.
I am sure they are trying to make up for lack of views by refreshing the thread.
Just shows who the bad guys reall are in all this.
Defenders of lies.
Fighters against truth.
Liars.
Homophobic

Just several of the negative traits employed by the Nancybois.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 678152



I read a few posts on the pinned Zeta chat ... to me they look like complete nutcases ... i mean, totally nut, crazy ... no brain at all.
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I posted the reminder for posty. I hope everyone boycotts her theads for the month.
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Re: ZetaTalk - 13th June 2009 - Debunkers Deluxe Debate on the Starburst Failure
Free Store is trying to troll me into answering him why only
one month.

How lame.
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I know I'm going to honor the boycott. They've already gone
bonkers about it. That notice got quoted at least 4 times
on page three of their chat.
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Re: ZetaTalk - 13th June 2009 - Debunkers Deluxe Debate on the Starburst Failure
SOZT
Obviously, answering when Planet X will be visible to all is breaking the rule about giving away the timeframe. Planet X IS visible now, as the Russian video shows, and as reports on seeing the Second Sun rise or set demonstrates. As always, it is mostly lost in the glare of the Sun, and many sun filters are so strong that Planet X is filtered out entirely. As we said, sunrise and sunset are the best times for naked eye viewing, but conditions must be just right.
EOZT
 Quoting: Nancy Lieder


So, what this means is only if you believe you can see it
because the glar of the Sun makes it too hard to see and
any filter you use will be so strong it will filter out
Planet X.

Does anyone really believe that crap?
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Looks like a ghost town over there. Whatever will they talk about after the few supporters and their sock puppets tell Nancy what a great job she is doing? They might even resort to posting as a debunker so they have someone to argue with on Nancy's thread. I guess if all else fails they will drop in here. I welcome them, and hopefully they will be willing to actually discuss the topic instead of make lame accusations about us being paid.
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
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So, what this means is only if you believe you can see it
because the glar of the Sun makes it too hard to see and
any filter you use will be so strong it will filter out
Planet X.

Does anyone really believe that crap?
 Quoting: Dominus Recti


I believe you can only see planet X on the south pole, wearing a Lions basecap, standing on your left leg.
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She can do what many posters on GLP do. Spout flowery language
about how beautiful everything will be after we kill all
those innocent babbies in the pole shift. A lot of GLPs
are atrracted to spiritual speak and won't pay attention
to the fact that she constantly fails and can only make
excuses.
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So, what this means is only if you believe you can see it
because the glar of the Sun makes it too hard to see and
any filter you use will be so strong it will filter out
Planet X.

Does anyone really believe that crap?


I believe you can only see planet X on the south pole, wearing a Lions basecap, standing on your left leg.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 701688


Dats the ticket!
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lmao.. they are getting very desperate. taking quotes of debunkers out of other threads and repeatedly quoting and talking about it.
they do not have anything else.
Point has been well and truly made.
They have nothing else.
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lmao.. they are getting very desperate. taking quotes of debunkers out of other threads and repeatedly quoting and talking about it.
they do not have anything else.
Point has been well and truly made.
They have nothing else.
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What page best to look for in their thread ?
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If not px disclosure then alien disclosure seems to be in full progress now. Can the zetas speak to the dynamics between these two disclosure options? How will an alien disclosure impact any potential px disclosure? Fostering distrust of government, stretching peoples' world view, etc...?

SOZT
The requirement that there be an Element of Doubt
[link to www.zetatalk.com]
about the alien presence and about Planet X are on two different paths. The rule to slow proof about the alien presence is to reduce fear and anxiety in the populace, so that contactees are not slaughtered by the religious elite. Such slaughter has occurred on other planets during their Awakening, and has been threatened by the religious elite on your planet too. The rise in mass sightings all over the world shows how quickly the populace has come to accept and even welcome the alien presence. As we have stated, this will increasingly lead to alien bodies being glimpsed, capture of alien bodies on photo or video. Countries are opening their UFO files, one after another, without the public going into a panic. Thus the rule that an Element of Doubt about the alien presence is almost to the point of being moot. The only remaining element is conscious contact, which also is subject to being removed when anxiety will no longer be a problem.

The Element of Doubt about the presence of Planet X is in place because of nervous government who are likely to mow down their citizens with machine guns if they, the government, panic. It is the wealthy, the elite, those with much to lose, who fear the public being educated. There would, of course, be some reduction in the number of people faithfully attending to their jobs if the truth were known, but this number is not as devastating as the elite and those in power fear. There will be a threshold where signs that Planet X is nearby are too obvious, the Earth changes too devastating, so the issue is again moot. At this point, the Council of Worlds will begin to lift the restrictions on maintaining an Element of Doubt about Planet X. It would matter not, then, how the government or the elite would react. The situation they feared would be upon them.
EOZT
 Quoting: Nancy Lieder

Ah the Element of Doubt. They want to keep everyone guessing so that the governments don't kill innocents. Those innocents are supposed to die in the pole shift, with no warning, not at the hands of governments!! I fail to see how it matters if the government does commit genocide preshift, if most of us are going to die anyways. What a convenient umbrella to hide under when the questions get too hard and the predictions fail, as they always do. The Element of Doubt and the Great White Lie allow Nancy to wiggle out of her gaffes, explain away her failures. Fortunately only a very few and their cast of sockpuppets fall for it.
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
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OK, its only 3 pages ... ill figure it out ... lol


Thought you guys might enjoy this song, the lyrics fit the topic pretty well:




The mystery man came over
And he said Im outta sight!
He said for a nominal service charge
I could reach nirvana tonight
If I was ready, willing and able
To pay him his regular fee
He would drop all the rest of
His pressing affairs and devote
His attention to me

But I said look here brother
Who you jiving with that cosmik debris?
Now who you jiving with that cosmik debris?
Look here brother, dont waste your time on me

The mystery man got nervous
And he fidget around a bit
He reached in the pocket of his mystery robe
And he whipped out a shaving kit
Now I thought it was a razor
And a can of foaming goo
But he told me right then when the top popped open
There was nothin his box wont do
With the oil of aphrodite, and the dust of the grand wazoo
He said you might not believe this, little fella
But itll cure your asthma too

And I said look here brother
Who you jiving with that cosmik debris?
Now what kind of a guru are you, anyway?
Look here brother, dont waste your time on me
(dont waste your time)

Ive got troubles of my own, I said
And you cant help me out
So, take your meditations and your preparations
And ram it up your snout!
But I got the crystal ball, he said
And held it to the ligh
So I snatched it, all away from him
And I showed him how to do it right

I wrapped a newspaper round my head
So I looked like I was deep
I said some mumbo-jumbo, then
I told him he was going to sleep
I robbed his rings and pocketwatch
And everything else I found
I had that sucker hypnotized
He couldnt even make a sound
I proceeded to tell him his future, then
As long as he was hanging around
I said the price of meat has just gone up
And your old lady has just gone down!

And I said look here brother-who you
Jiving with that cosmik debris?
Now is that a real poncho or is that a sears poncho?
Dont you know, you could make more money as a butcher?
So, dont waste your time on me
Dont waste it, dont waste your time on me


Hope you like it.
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link in case the embedded vid doesnt work:

[link to www.youtube.com]
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Another failure by Nancy..
Amazing how gaffe prone she is becoming.


SOZT
There are many rumors about secret government technologies that have no basis in fact. HAARP, for instance, is merely measuring the planets magnetosphere, not causing earthquakes. Such rumors are spread by those within the government itself which want the populace fearful of the government. They want to prevent riots, and certainly want to prevent being challenged. Microwave weapons are obvious, as they cause heat and burns. Attempts to manipulate certain individuals such as authors were tried, using telepathy, but the success was so spotty that the projects closed down, a failure. There is NO technology that can influence humans thinking, despite the hype.
EOZT

Neuro technologies that they admit to, imagine what they really have. Well imagination is not that hard when there are also Patents for machinert that totally can influence human thought.
Zeta's wrong again in this instance and HAARP
[link to www.technolhttp:]
www.brojon.org/frontpage/bj1203.htmlogyreview.com/biotech/181​37/

Is this Woman ever right?
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petty smilies and no content.
Pathetic
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I found on a youtube comment that Nancy killed her dog in 2003 because she thought the world would end:



[link to www.youtube.com]

Is this confirmed ... she looks completely delusional btw., complete lunatic.
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Re: ZetaTalk - 13th June 2009 - Debunkers Deluxe Debate on the Starburst Failure
It is pretty remarkable how little traffic is happening over there -- it's been propped up by debunkers for so long that, when they vanish, it all collapses.

That said, I'll repost the banned questions they don't respond to here:

In answer to these three questions:



Please clarify these positions:

1) What do you mean: Just because the Earth has a wobble does not mean the constellations are wobbling? The constellations' movements are *completely* dependent on the Earth's rotation.

2) Why did the Zetas state that 'Star Trails' is a facility? It is not.

3) How can long exposure photographs *deny* the wobble? There are movies and star trail pictures all over the internet, numbering in the thousands, that all show the heavens moving normally. Can you or your followers not produce ONE long exposure photo of the skies SHOWING the wobble? Please?



Nancy's latest non-answer answer was this:

This was addressed. The answer was that the scopes focus on stars, not the horizon, so a wobble could not be captured.
 Quoting: Nancy Lieder



That is blatantly incorrect. Telescopes have no ability whatsoever to follow stars: they can only follow **the position where stars are predicted to be.** If the stars aren't there, they will happily follow the bit of empty sky where they think things OUGHT to be.

Thus, of COURSE a wobble will be detected. It would blur a telescope's image to unusability, or take pictures of nothing, because the assumptions in the telescope's hardware are wrong.

Also, there are thousands of long exposures, showing star trails moving normally, WITH the horizon in view. Why have you not addressed these? And why won't you or your followers TAKE one of these shots yourself DEMONSTRATING the wobble?

I'm not going to go dig out the answer because you KNOW this was posted in past chats, and are just trying to delay the chat on other issues.
 Quoting: Nancy Lieder




That's ridiculous. You CAN'T dig out the answer, because you never answered. If you HAD answered those three questions, I wouldn't ask them anymore. You have evaded or deleted the questions each week, and avoided them again this week.

You have NEVER explained how the Earth can wobble while the constellations don't.

You have NEVER explained why the Zetas stated that the Earth wobbling would have no affect on the North Star being at the center of a spinning sky as it is normally.

You have NEVER explained why the long exposure pictures of stars show a perfectly circular path, with no figure eight as the Zetas describe.

You have NEVER explained why the Zetas called Star Trails 'a facility,' when it isn't one, and why they never corrected the error, nor what it does to their continued claim of 100 percent accuracy.

You have NEVER explained WHY neither you, nor your followers will take star trails pictures yourself: only that you have 'the right' NOT to.

So, the questions will be reposted, yet again, at the next chat, Nancy. Maybe you should prepare your answers, like you do for so many other questions that aren't asked by anyone.
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^^its right the first comment
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And this one...

Zetas, you have stated that PX is to the right of the Sun, and sets before the Sun, yet rises after the Sun, and to the right of the Sun, correct?

How is this possible? Let us say that a person it witnessing the Sun set while on the equator. At the same moment, on the other side of the Earth, yet still on the equator, someone is watching the Sun rise.

Is PX below the horizon for BOTH observers? Is PX to the right of the Sun for BOTH observers?

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