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Free Store
User ID: 142626
6/23/2009 5:58 PM | | Re: Zetatalk debunker threads are hilarious ... | Quote |
Here's the whole thing:
Ocean Search for Air France Jet Continues
June 2, 2009
[ link to www.reuters.com]
The Air France plane flew into turbulent weather four hours after taking off from Rio and 15 minutes later sent an automatic message reporting electrical faults. A lightning strike could be to blame and that several of the mechanisms on the Airbus 330-200, which has a good safety record, had malfunctioned. But aviation experts said lightning strikes on planes were common and could not alone explain a disaster. They also said the plane could have suffered an electrical failure, effectively leaving the pilots "blind" and making the plane vulnerable in an area notorious for bad weather.
The black box from the flight is unlikely to be recovered as the Atlantic under the disaster site is three miles deep. In speculating on the cause of the disaster, experts have the following clues: airliners do not go down simply because of lightning strikes; electrical systems are designed to be redundant to prevent complete failure; and loss of cabin pressure might indicate the plane was coming apart. No terrorist group came forward to claim responsibility.
While the article has changed since Nancy posted the link, it clearly shows that the above statement was not "ZetaTalk" but part of a news article that Nancy "cut and pasted."
Reading further through the thread, I found no mention from either Nancy or the "Zetas" discussing the "black boxes." Nancy's posts only dealt with her claim about "electromagnetic flux" being the cause for the crash. Nothing more.
What say you now, Free Store?
Where was it cut and pasted from?
[link to www.reuters.com] |
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KeepingItReal
User ID: 553451
6/23/2009 6:05 PM
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Thanks for proving the point, Freestore. Nancy and Zetas did not mention the black boxes. Nancy linked to news item, which you have found. Notice the article you linked doesn't mention electromagnetic flux, which is the cause given by Nancy. In your zeal to prove your point, you ended up proving the point made by CB and Menow. Good job!
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak. |
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Menow
User ID: 405501
6/23/2009 6:17 PM | | Re: Zetatalk debunker threads are hilarious ... | Quote |
This part SOUNDS more like something Nancy would say, instead of a news article. However, she doesn't diffenentiate that paragraph and there certainly is not any "SOZT" and "EOZT" around it.
The black box from the flight is unlikely to be recovered as the Atlantic under the disaster site is three miles deep. In speculating on the cause of the disaster, experts have the following clues: airliners do not go down simply because of lightning strikes; electrical systems are designed to be redundant to prevent complete failure; and loss of cabin pressure might indicate the plane was coming apart. No terrorist group came forward to claim responsibility. |
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The Lone Ranger 
Debunking Zetatalk for the sake of the people
User ID: 701301
6/23/2009 7:41 PM
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Thanks for proving the point, Freestore. Nancy and Zetas did not mention the black boxes. Nancy linked to news item, which you have found. Notice the article you linked doesn't mention electromagnetic flux, which is the cause given by Nancy. In your zeal to prove your point, you ended up proving the point made by CB and Menow. Good job! Quoting: KeepingItReal
Classic, Free Store.
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Therefore, "'Tis better to have dreamed and lost than never to have dreamed at all."
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Circuit Breaker
Countdown To Nancy's Next Failure
User ID: 612979
6/23/2009 8:51 PM
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Yep. It appears that Nancy and the "Zetas" were only commenting on what brought the plane down and did not make any mention of the black boxes. News articles change or get edited as more information comes in. Such must be the case here because if you follow the Reuters link to the article, much of what is posted in Nancy's thread is similar. For instance: "But aviation experts said lightning strikes on planes were common and could not alone explain a disaster" is exactly the same as in the article. In addition, the last two sentences say, "...and loss of cabin pressure might indicate the plane was coming apart. No terrorist group came forward to claim responsibility." That sounds like something you would read in a news article. And, as Menow stated, there is no SOZT/EOZT before the statement.
So, if the black boxes are not found, bunkers cannot say, "Zetas right again!" By the same token, if the black boxes are found, "debunkers" can't say "Zetas wrong again." since the "Zetas" never said one way or the other. All anyone needs to concentrate on is whether there was any "electromagnetic flux" or not. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 708572
6/23/2009 9:16 PM | | Re: Zetatalk debunker threads are hilarious ... | Quote |
Yep. It appears that Nancy and the "Zetas" were only commenting on what brought the plane down and did not make any mention of the black boxes. News articles change or get edited as more information comes in. Such must be the case here because if you follow the Reuters link to the article, much of what is posted in Nancy's thread is similar. For instance: "But aviation experts said lightning strikes on planes were common and could not alone explain a disaster" is exactly the same as in the article. In addition, the last two sentences say, "...and loss of cabin pressure might indicate the plane was coming apart. No terrorist group came forward to claim responsibility." That sounds like something you would read in a news article. And, as Menow stated, there is no SOZT/EOZT before the statement.
So, if the black boxes are not found, bunkers cannot say, "Zetas right again!" By the same token, if the black boxes are found, "debunkers" can't say "Zetas wrong again." since the "Zetas" never said one way or the other. All anyone needs to concentrate on is whether there was any "electromagnetic flux" or not. Quoting: Circuit Breaker
Electromagnetic flux is a joke explanation. ACARS and SATCOM were both working and providing data to Air France maintenance. SATCOM is a picky system as it requires a stable connection with a satellite to relay data from the aircraft to the ground. |
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NOLADOG
User ID: 466677
6/23/2009 9:19 PM
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What is hilarious is Nancy Lieder and the tards that believe her!
"V" for Vendetta..SUCKS MORE than George Noory EVER COULD!!!!! AND HE IS PROUD OF IT!!!!!
"V" is for Vermin...the creatures you call an exterminator for to get rid of. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 705842
6/23/2009 9:20 PM | | Re: Zetatalk debunker threads are hilarious ... | Quote |
Electromagnetic flux is a joke explanation. ACARS and SATCOM were both working and providing data to Air France maintenance. SATCOM is a picky system as it requires a stable connection with a satellite to relay data from the aircraft to the ground. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 708572
Therefore...wait....it's coming.....
ZETA'S WRONG AGAIN!!!!!! |
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Free Store
User ID: 142626
6/23/2009 9:26 PM
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Where did Reuters quote that the black boxes are unlikely to be found??
Paraphrasing is ok and the heart of the matter is it was from Zetatalk
"do geese see god?"
"... lol, do your eyes need proof that they can see for to be able to see? "
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Circuit Breaker
Countdown To Nancy's Next Failure
User ID: 612979
6/23/2009 9:32 PM
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Electromagnetic flux is a joke explanation. ACARS and SATCOM were both working and providing data to Air France maintenance. SATCOM is a picky system as it requires a stable connection with a satellite to relay data from the aircraft to the ground. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 708572
I agree. ZetaMax's explanation is that the plane's electrical system didn't fail all at once. It was a cascading failure starting with one system and then continuing to other systems. I suppose that's possible, but very unlikely. The injuries to the bodies found thus far, and the damage found on debris, suggests the plane broke apart mid-air. For instance, there were respiratory injuries consistent with hypoxia which would be experienced at high altitude. There may have been an electrical failure, but how does some "electromagnetic flux" cause the plane to come apart? And why weren't any other aircraft in that area affected? Why haven't any of the thousands of aircraft that have flown over that area in the past 10 years ever been affected? The facts at hand make it extremely unlikely that any "electromagnetic flux" was responsible. |
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Circuit Breaker
Countdown To Nancy's Next Failure
User ID: 612979
6/23/2009 9:33 PM
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Where did Reuters quote that the black boxes are unlikely to be found??
Paraphrasing is ok and the heart of the matter is it was from Zetatalk Quoting: Free Store
Already covered. You obviously failed to read any of what was posted. Show us where the "Zetas" said the black boxes would not be recovered. Here's the official "ZetaTalk" on the matter...not one mention of the black boxes:
[link to www.zetatalk.com]
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 710229
6/23/2009 9:38 PM | | Re: Zetatalk debunker threads are hilarious ... | Quote |
All this zeta stuff is such crap.
Has nancy ever published a picture of a zeta ? |
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Disturbed
User ID: 374025
6/23/2009 9:41 PM | | Re: Zetatalk debunker threads are hilarious ... | Quote |
All this zeta stuff is such crap.
Has nancy ever published a picture of a zeta ? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 710229
She has one locked up in her basement
:nanciesbas: |
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Free Store
User ID: 159127
6/23/2009 9:44 PM
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Where did Reuters quote that the black boxes are unlikely to be found??
Paraphrasing is ok and the heart of the matter is it was from Zetatalk
Already covered. You obviously failed to read any of what was posted. Show us where the "Zetas" said the black boxes would not be recovered. Here's the official "ZetaTalk" on the matter...not one mention of the black boxes:
[ link to www.zetatalk.com]
Where did you get the Zetatalk quote to begin with??
"do geese see god?"
"... lol, do your eyes need proof that they can see for to be able to see? "
gooderboy |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 705842
6/23/2009 9:45 PM | | Re: Zetatalk debunker threads are hilarious ... | Quote |
All this zeta stuff is such crap.
Has nancy ever published a picture of a zeta ? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 710229
Yeah...get a load of the crap here...
[link to www.zetatalk.com]
I just about die laughing every time I see that! |
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Circuit Breaker
Countdown To Nancy's Next Failure
User ID: 612979
6/23/2009 9:46 PM
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Where did you get the Zetatalk quote to begin with?? Quoting: Free Store
What ZetaTalk quote? There is no ZetaTalk quote discussing the black boxes.
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Free Store
User ID: 159127
6/23/2009 9:48 PM
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Here's the whole thing:
Ocean Search for Air France Jet Continues
June 2, 2009
[ link to www.reuters.com]
The Air France plane flew into turbulent weather four hours after taking off from Rio and 15 minutes later sent an automatic message reporting electrical faults. A lightning strike could be to blame and that several of the mechanisms on the Airbus 330-200, which has a good safety record, had malfunctioned. But aviation experts said lightning strikes on planes were common and could not alone explain a disaster. They also said the plane could have suffered an electrical failure, effectively leaving the pilots "blind" and making the plane vulnerable in an area notorious for bad weather.
The black box from the flight is unlikely to be recovered as the Atlantic under the disaster site is three miles deep. In speculating on the cause of the disaster, experts have the following clues: airliners do not go down simply because of lightning strikes; electrical systems are designed to be redundant to prevent complete failure; and loss of cabin pressure might indicate the plane was coming apart. No terrorist group came forward to claim responsibility.
While the article has changed since Nancy posted the link, it clearly shows that the above statement was not "ZetaTalk" but part of a news article that Nancy "cut and pasted."
Reading further through the thread, I found no mention from either Nancy or the "Zetas" discussing the "black boxes." Nancy's posts only dealt with her claim about "electromagnetic flux" being the cause for the crash. Nothing more.
What say you now, Free Store?
This does exist on Zetatalk
"do geese see god?"
"... lol, do your eyes need proof that they can see for to be able to see? "
gooderboy |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 708572
6/23/2009 9:48 PM | | Re: Zetatalk debunker threads are hilarious ... | Quote |
All this zeta stuff is such crap.
Has nancy ever published a picture of a zeta ?
Yeah...get a load of the crap here...
[ link to www.zetatalk.com]
I just about die laughing every time I see that!
Sounds like she had some really bad acid. |
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Free Store
User ID: 159127
6/23/2009 9:58 PM
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The ZetaTalk Newsletter
Issue 136, Sunday, June 7, 2009
Weekly news and views from around the world and beyond.
New ZetaTalk Earth Changes Announcements Signs of the Times
Air France Disaster
A horrific airliner disaster occurred June 1, 2009 over the Atlantic, when Air France 447 traveling from Rio to Paris crossed through air turbulence, per the pilots report, and then per a computer report experience failure in several electrical systems including the loss of cabin pressure.
Ocean Search for Air France Jet Continues
June 2, 2009
[link to www.reuters.com]
The Air France plane flew into turbulent weather four hours after taking off from Rio and 15 minutes later sent an automatic message reporting electrical faults. A lightning strike could be to blame and that several of the mechanisms on the Airbus 330-200, which has a good safety record, had malfunctioned. But aviation experts said lightning strikes on planes were common and could not alone explain a disaster. They also said the plane could have suffered an electrical failure, effectively leaving the pilots "blind" and making the plane vulnerable in an area notorious for bad weather.
The black box from the flight is unlikely to be recovered as the Atlantic under the disaster site is three miles deep. In speculating on the cause of the disaster, experts have the following clues: airliners do not go down simply because of lightning strikes; electrical systems are designed to be redundant to prevent complete failure; storms do not cause electrical failures; fuel slicks found at the site indicate an explosion such as a bomb did not occur and no terrorist group came forward to claim responsibility; and loss of cabin pressure might indicate the plane was coming apart.
>>>The bold print is from Nancy<<<
You should subscribe?
"do geese see god?"
"... lol, do your eyes need proof that they can see for to be able to see? "
gooderboy |
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KeepingItReal
User ID: 553451
6/23/2009 10:07 PM
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You idiot freestore. There is nothing to indicate these words are Nancy's or the Zetas. It is apparently part of a news story from Reuters. I did a google search for the whole passage, and while Nancy's post comes up first, there are others that suggest that Nancy, if she did write it, paraphrased from other sources.
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak. |
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Menow
User ID: 405501
6/23/2009 10:08 PM | | Re: Zetatalk debunker threads are hilarious ... | Quote |
The ZetaTalk Newsletter
Issue 136, Sunday, June 7, 2009
Weekly news and views from around the world and beyond.
New ZetaTalk Earth Changes Announcements Signs of the Times
Air France Disaster
A horrific airliner disaster occurred June 1, 2009 over the Atlantic, when Air France 447 traveling from Rio to Paris crossed through air turbulence, per the pilots report, and then per a computer report experience failure in several electrical systems including the loss of cabin pressure.
Ocean Search for Air France Jet Continues
June 2, 2009
[ link to www.reuters.com]
The Air France plane flew into turbulent weather four hours after taking off from Rio and 15 minutes later sent an automatic message reporting electrical faults. A lightning strike could be to blame and that several of the mechanisms on the Airbus 330-200, which has a good safety record, had malfunctioned. But aviation experts said lightning strikes on planes were common and could not alone explain a disaster. They also said the plane could have suffered an electrical failure, effectively leaving the pilots "blind" and making the plane vulnerable in an area notorious for bad weather.
The black box from the flight is unlikely to be recovered as the Atlantic under the disaster site is three miles deep. In speculating on the cause of the disaster, experts have the following clues: airliners do not go down simply because of lightning strikes; electrical systems are designed to be redundant to prevent complete failure; storms do not cause electrical failures; fuel slicks found at the site indicate an explosion such as a bomb did not occur and no terrorist group came forward to claim responsibility; and loss of cabin pressure might indicate the plane was coming apart.
>>>The bold print is from Nancy<<<
You should subscribe?
Who bolded that text and HOW do you know it was originated by Nancy? Some of that exact text has been since seen on Reuters. That isn't quite the same as the original text on the thread Nancy started: [link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
"The black box from the flight is unlikely to be recovered as the Atlantic under the disaster site is three miles deep. In speculating on the cause of the disaster, experts have the following clues: airliners do not go down simply because of lightning strikes; electrical systems are designed to be redundant to prevent complete failure; and loss of cabin pressure might indicate the plane was coming apart. No terrorist group came forward to claim responsibility."
None of this is marked as "Zetatalk", anyway, so what is your point? That is... *IF* you have one. |
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Circuit Breaker
Countdown To Nancy's Next Failure
User ID: 612979
6/23/2009 10:10 PM
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This does exist on Zetatalk Quoting: Free Store
Where? Find the page on ZetaTalk.com and provide it. That statement concerning the black boxes was not made by either Nancy or the "Zetas" because there is no SOZT/EOZT. No amount of spinning will change that. |
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Circuit Breaker
Countdown To Nancy's Next Failure
User ID: 612979
6/23/2009 10:10 PM
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>>>The bold print is from Nancy<<<
You should subscribe? Quoting: Free Store
Prove it. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 374025
6/23/2009 10:11 PM | | Re: Zetatalk debunker threads are hilarious ... | Quote |
You idiot freestore. There is nothing to indicate these words are Nancy's or the Zetas. It is apparently part of a news story from Reuters. I did a google search for the whole passage, and while Nancy's post comes up first, there are others that suggest that Nancy, if she did write it, paraphrased from other sources. Quoting: KeepingItReal
It sounds indeed more like recapping things in the news those days than a channeled message from the zetas. |
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Free Store
User ID: 159127
6/23/2009 10:15 PM
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Im sure Nancy or others can verify this newsletter
Not all people are dishonest
"do geese see god?"
"... lol, do your eyes need proof that they can see for to be able to see? "
gooderboy |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 708572
6/23/2009 10:19 PM | | Re: Zetatalk debunker threads are hilarious ... | Quote |
Im sure Nancy or others can verify this newsletter
Not all people are dishonest Quoting: Free Store
At the most it's Nancytalk and not zetatalk.
As for honesty, look who is calling the kettle black. |
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Free Store
User ID: 159127
6/23/2009 10:23 PM
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Nancy in Her news letters uses bold text to highlight Herself
Anyways it is dated from June 7th so we shall see shall we?
Mmmuuu I think the maker of black boxes may be disappointed losing a perfect recovery rating
"do geese see god?"
"... lol, do your eyes need proof that they can see for to be able to see? "
gooderboy |
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KeepingItReal
User ID: 553451
6/23/2009 10:32 PM
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This was posted on the internet on June 1st.
[link to trueslant.com]
Jun. 1 2009 - 12:16 pm | 14,727 views | 7 recommendations | 97 comments
A Dark, Stormy Night over the Atlantic
So what happened to Air France Flight 447? It is early and speculation at this juncture is often wildly wrong. And remember, there are usually several factors that conspire to bring an airliner down. But here is what we do know for sure. Keep this in mind as you process the often inaccurate reporting on aviation that is so prevalent in the mainstream media.
The Timeline – The flight, carrying 216 passengers and 12 crewmembers, left Rio de Janeiro at 2203 GMT (7:03 PM local time). It flew beyond radar coverage 3 hours and 33 minutes later (at 0133 GMT). A half hour later (0200 GMT) – now four hours into the flight - the plane encountered heavy turbulence. Fifteen minutes later (0215 GMT), now a long way out to sea, it transmitted automated signals indicating the plane was in serious trouble.
“A succession of a dozen technical messages (showed that) several electrical systems had broken down,” according to Air France CEO Pierre-Henry Gourgeon. He described the failures, which included (most ominously) the pressurization system as “totally unprecedented situation in the plane.”
It was a dark and stormy night - in a place that is home to the world’s worst thunderstorms. Just as it disappeared, the Airbus A330-203 was flying into a thick band of convective activity that rose to 41,000 feet. This equatorial region is known as the Intertropical Convergence Zone – it is where Northeast and Southeast Trade Winds meet - forcing a lot of warm, moist air upward - which condenses – an efficient thunderstorm producing machine.
The crew had “Sully-esque” seasoning – The Captain had 11,000 hours total time (1700 in the Airbus A330/A340). One Copilot had 3,000 hours total time (800 in the Airbus A330/340) and the other Copilot had 6,600 hours total time (2,600 in the Airbus A330/340).
The Airbus A330 has a good record – and this was the first crash of a twin-engine A330 in revenue service in its history. In 1994, seven employees of Airbus died when a 330 went down during a test flight. The accident report says it was a case of pilot error. The airplane that crashed last night – tail number F-GZCP – had no accidents or incidents in its history. It went into service on April 18, 2005 and had logged 18,870 hours. In 2006, it’s wing collided with the tail of an Airbus A321 on the ground at Charles de Gaulle Airport - the damage was classified as “minor”. It was last in the hangar on April 16, 2009l for routine maintenance. No serious squawks reported.
No reason to believe terrorism – While you cannot take the possibility of a bomb off the list just yet, no groups have claimed any responsibility for downing the plane. What good is a terrorist attack if the perpetrators don’t, well, terrorize us?
So consider this as a possible scenario: The crew is flying toward a line of storms in the dark, out of range of land-based radar. They are equipped with on board weather radar however – and can use it to thread their way through the bad cells if need be.
It is quite likely the airplane was struck by lightning - or it could have triggered lightning by the mere act of flying at Mach .8 through storm clouds. It is not impossible that could have sparked a fuel fire – but that is highly unlikely. In fact, it has been four decades since lightning alone caused an airliner crash in the US. A lot of time and effort is spent protecting airplanes from this clear and present danger (interesting piece here). And airliners get hit by lightning all the time - you don’t hear about it because nothing bad happens. Remember, it is seldom just one thing that brings a modern airliner down.
Many of those airliners that get hit by lightning are so called fly-by-wire aircraft (meaning the controls in the cockpit are linked to the movable surfaces on the airplane by electrical wires and computers). Airbus pioneered FBW control systems in commercial airliners and the engineers in Toulouse have gone out of their way to demonstrate their products are safe in stormy weather. There are four fully redundant electrical systems on an Airbus – and if the worst happens, a manual flight control system that allows the crew to fly the plane (barely) using the rudder, differential thrust on the engines and horizontal stabilizer trim. [You may recall that is how the crew of United flight 232 managed to get a DC-10 on the ground in Sioux City, Iowa in 1989 after a complete hydraulics failure]
Ironically, one of the systems most vulnerable to lightning strikes is the on-board weather radar located in the nose cone. It cannot do its job if it is shielded from lightning like the rest of the airplane is – and so it is more likely to go down when bolt strikes (which is, of course, when you need it most). So it is possible this plane was hit by lightning, knocking out the radar.
You can imagine the crew was suddenly preoccupied with multiple electric failures that left them in the dark, over the ocean and without weather radar as they hurtled toward some epic cumulus nimbus thunderheads. This would have been a serious emergency that should prompt a pilot to do a 180 and head for the nearest suitable size slab of concrete.
The fact that the airplane sent automatic warnings that it had an electrical problem means, by definition, that it was not a total, instant failure. But did things cascade from there? They might have found themselves inside a huge storm only able to control the airplane manually - which means minimally - with the rudder primarily.
And then there is the Airbus rudder. You may recall the crash of American Airlines flight 587 on November 12, 2001 as it departed New York’s JFK airport. The plane encountered some wake turbulence and the copilot apparently stepped too hard on the rudder pedals – breaking off the graphite vertical stabilizer and rudder (the tail).
As long as we are talking about pilot inputs leading to broken airplanes, consider this important point: when the Airbus FBW system is up and running as it should, there are all kinds limits placed on the pilot’s ability to move the control surfaces of the airplane. It’s sort of like a governor on a car engine. If you move the controls too far, too fast in any direction, the computer, in essence, ignores the human being’s commands and keeps the plane inside the flight envelope. This is designed to stop a plane from stalling, spinning, gaining too much speed or pulling too many “G’s” because a pilot is over-correcting (which of course, is not correct at all).
But as the electrical systems start failing, the machines lose their authority to trump the humans fairly quickly. Depending on how many multiple failures of redundant systems there are, the so called flight control laws change to “Alternate”, “Abnormal Alternate” and finally “Direct Law”. At each level, the pilots get more authority to move the control surfaces without the machines intervening. So a combination of loosened fly-by-wire reins, cruise speed and extreme turbulence would increase the potential for an in-flight breakup.
We do know whatever happened on that airplane in its last few minutes was nothing short of horrifying. It is hard to imagine the kind of turbulence that would break up an airliner. My heart goes out to the passengers and crew.
Will we ever know what happened? This one will be hard. The wreckage will be likely strewn over a wide area – and locating the Flight Data and Cockpit Voice Recorders won’t be easy since they are likely at the bottom of the sea - possibly 24,ooo feet below the surface. Even if they are transmitting their homing signals, you would need a lot of luck and a pretty stout submersible to retrieve them. But that may be moot - as simply knowing where to search will be difficult.
One thing which may help: those automatic messages indicating system failures - which are designed primarily to give mechanics a heads up about problems so they can turn a plane around on the ground faster - no doubt contained much more information than is now in the public realm.
Which brings me to this wild idea: why not send steady streams of telemetry from airliners to the ground all the time - ala the space shuttle? This effectively places the “black boxes”, safe and sound - on the ground. Imagine how invaluable that much data would be right now - given the the distinct possibility this could remain an unsolved mystery.
We all need to know what happened to Air France 447. Is there something that makes the A-330 fleet unsafe in certain conditions? In the absence of real facts, will conspiracy theorists spin a tale of terrorism and government cover ups? Did the flight crew make crucial errors in judgment? Or was this an unavoidable scenario - bad luck with odds so long that nothing or no one is really to blame?
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 708572
6/23/2009 10:34 PM | | Re: Zetatalk debunker threads are hilarious ... | Quote |
Nancy in Her news letters uses bold text to highlight Herself
Anyways it is dated from June 7th so we shall see shall we?
Mmmuuu I think the maker of black boxes may be disappointed losing a perfect recovery rating Quoting: Free Store
Not 100% recovery on CVRs and DFDRs (the boxes are not black - they are international orange).
There's been at least one crash in the ocean where they didn't recover the CVR and FDR. |
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KeepingItReal
User ID: 553451
6/23/2009 10:38 PM
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In the above article the bolding is mine to show similarities to what Nancy posted a week later. I missed some interesting tidbits. I would say that its safe to say that Nancy did not come up with the text in question on her own. It seems she paraphrased something written a week earlier.
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak. |
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