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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 719643
7/8/2009 1:49 PM | | Re: Zetatalk debunker threads are hilarious ... | Quote |
Troll on, dickboy. |
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User # 78/68
User ID: 681262
7/8/2009 10:05 PM
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It looks like you debunkers don't even want to discuss this stuff rationally. That's why most of us don't waste our time on you anymore. It's all put-downs and spinning people's statements until you get what you want. And you wonder why the conversations always degrade the way they do?
Take a good look at yourselves! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 6330
7/8/2009 10:33 PM | | Re: Zetatalk debunker threads are hilarious ... | Quote |
It looks like you debunkers don't even want to discuss this stuff rationally. That's why most of us don't waste our time on you anymore. It's all put-downs and spinning people's statements until you get what you want. And you wonder why the conversations always degrade the way they do?
Take a good look at yourselves! Quoting: User # 78/68
On the contrary -- I DO want to discuss this rationally.
And rationality requires evidence.
Nancy claims that certain initial outrageous astronomical events are occurring.
Those events have *inevitable* consequences.
Those consequences are NOT occurring.
Nancy's explanations as to why said consequences are not occurring have ranged from the bizzare to the way-too-fantastic-to-be-easily-believed to the out and out completely wrong.
Thus leading one to suggest that those certain initial outrageous astronomical events are NOT occurring as Nancy claims, and that the tapestry that is her mythology is unraveling.
Do you wish to discuss this further, and in depth? If not, why not? |
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AnTiSoShAL
User ID: 715294
7/8/2009 11:02 PM | | Re: Zetatalk debunker threads are hilarious ... | Quote |
It looks like you debunkers don't even want to discuss this stuff rationally. That's why most of us don't waste our time on you anymore. It's all put-downs and spinning people's statements until you get what you want. And you wonder why the conversations always degrade the way they do?
Take a good look at yourselves! Quoting: User # 78/68
I would LOVE to discuss it rationally. Heres some rational ideas that I have posed that have ONLY been responded to with personal attacks or complete dismissal:
How can an object of the size Niburu is purported to be exist ANYWHERE near the solar system without disturbing the orbits of all the planets. In the 1700s using telescopes the same quality that you can now get at ToysRUs observers managed to detect the orbits of the planets to an accuracy that allowed them to predict Neptune and Uranus and Pluto which were eventually discovered right where predicted ( please dont bother with the whole "there's a missing planet" thing, thats been proven wrong already and has no scientific value anymore)?
How can an Niburu be "right on our doorstep" and as some say, visible to everyone already when it simply isn't. If it were there, you could repeatedly and with certainty photograph it at the same times each day. It would simply be there and detectable by at least SOME repeatable means that could be used by anyone. Skip the infrared thing, thats bad science as well. Brown dwarfs are not ONLY visible in infrared, its just the wavelength they EMIT. They would still be just as visible as any other planetary mass.
Explain how each and every prediction that comes along about when it will be visible completely fails, and rather than re-assess your premise reasonably, believers accept a series of decreasingly plausible excuses and allow for increasingly unlikely premise to explain it?
Lets reasonably discuss how by one account its only visible at the south pole, which is completely geometrically impossible, and yet the next day cell phone pictures from Russia are new proof?
Reasonably discuss with me the geometry and math involved that would allow for a periodic orbit of 3500 years, mange to keep it completely hidden by the sun for the last few years, and still visible in Russia on cell phones. Keep in mind that we continue to orbit the sun, so for it to stay next to the sun from our perspective means it would be effectively rotating the sun as well or simply cruise past us. Also discuss rationally how it could be approaching only visible from the south pole (disregarding all the claims and pictures showing it near the sun) and remain only visible from the south pole as we orbit the sun and thus completely change our general orientation.
Discuss rationally the actual orbital trajectories and velocities that would allow a perihelion for a 3500 year orbit that somehow allows it to remain effectively stalled in slow motion anywhere in the inner solar system and maintaining any sort of static viewpoint in comparison to our constantly changing orbit.
There's few dozen other wasy that its existence violates most of known astrophysics and science, as well of almost all of history, but we can start rationally with those few. We don't even have to bring up that Sitchin, the primary source of most of the ideas, has since declared that Nancy is effectively insane and Niburu is nowhere near us at the moment. Sitchin himself isn't terribly rational, so we can leave him out of rational discussion.
Addressing any of these ideas with a logical, rational mode of science and math would be a great start. |
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AnTiSoShAL
User ID: 715294
7/8/2009 11:16 PM | | Re: Zetatalk debunker threads are hilarious ... | Quote |
Rational?
Crickets......crickets.......crickets........... |
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AnTiSoShAL
User ID: 715294
7/8/2009 11:29 PM | | Re: Zetatalk debunker threads are hilarious ... | Quote |
Rational? anyone?
Soledad...got anything besides youtube clips and proclamations that people are shills and not worth talking to?
Max...you there? Wanna talk orbital velocities and inner solar system velocities of objects that have 3500 year periods?
chirp...... chirp.......chirp......... |
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UP
User ID: 721609
7/9/2009 5:17 AM | | Re: Zetatalk debunker threads are hilarious ... | Quote |
It looks like you debunkers don't even want to discuss this stuff rationally. That's why most of us don't waste our time on you anymore. It's all put-downs and spinning people's statements until you get what you want. And you wonder why the conversations always degrade the way they do?
Take a good look at yourselves!
I would LOVE to discuss it rationally. Heres some rational ideas that I have posed that have ONLY been responded to with personal attacks or complete dismissal:
How can an object of the size Niburu is purported to be exist ANYWHERE near the solar system without disturbing the orbits of all the planets. In the 1700s using telescopes the same quality that you can now get at ToysRUs observers managed to detect the orbits of the planets to an accuracy that allowed them to predict Neptune and Uranus and Pluto which were eventually discovered right where predicted ( please dont bother with the whole "there's a missing planet" thing, thats been proven wrong already and has no scientific value anymore)?
How can an Niburu be "right on our doorstep" and as some say, visible to everyone already when it simply isn't. If it were there, you could repeatedly and with certainty photograph it at the same times each day. It would simply be there and detectable by at least SOME repeatable means that could be used by anyone. Skip the infrared thing, thats bad science as well. Brown dwarfs are not ONLY visible in infrared, its just the wavelength they EMIT. They would still be just as visible as any other planetary mass.
Explain how each and every prediction that comes along about when it will be visible completely fails, and rather than re-assess your premise reasonably, believers accept a series of decreasingly plausible excuses and allow for increasingly unlikely premise to explain it?
Lets reasonably discuss how by one account its only visible at the south pole, which is completely geometrically impossible, and yet the next day cell phone pictures from Russia are new proof?
Reasonably discuss with me the geometry and math involved that would allow for a periodic orbit of 3500 years, mange to keep it completely hidden by the sun for the last few years, and still visible in Russia on cell phones. Keep in mind that we continue to orbit the sun, so for it to stay next to the sun from our perspective means it would be effectively rotating the sun as well or simply cruise past us. Also discuss rationally how it could be approaching only visible from the south pole (disregarding all the claims and pictures showing it near the sun) and remain only visible from the south pole as we orbit the sun and thus completely change our general orientation.
Discuss rationally the actual orbital trajectories and velocities that would allow a perihelion for a 3500 year orbit that somehow allows it to remain effectively stalled in slow motion anywhere in the inner solar system and maintaining any sort of static viewpoint in comparison to our constantly changing orbit.
There's few dozen other wasy that its existence violates most of known astrophysics and science, as well of almost all of history, but we can start rationally with those few. We don't even have to bring up that Sitchin, the primary source of most of the ideas, has since declared that Nancy is effectively insane and Niburu is nowhere near us at the moment. Sitchin himself isn't terribly rational, so we can leave him out of rational discussion.
Addressing any of these ideas with a logical, rational mode of science and math would be a great start. Quoting: AnTiSoShAL 715294
That's quite a nice collection, Anti.. There are of course MANY more, but they are a good start.
So yes, SoleDad, User, etc, etc - how about rationally debating these point by point? One at a time is fine.
Whenever you are ready.... |
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Free Store 
User ID: 141361
7/9/2009 5:35 AM
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Science still can't grasp how the Earth keeps it's rotation and the question has been proposed for millennium
can you talk about the mechanics involved?
So how do you expect science to even explain what you have proposed LOL
"do geese see god?"
"... lol, do your eyes need proof that they can see for to be able to see? "
gooderboy |
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UP
User ID: 721632
7/9/2009 6:18 AM | | Re: Zetatalk debunker threads are hilarious ... | Quote |
Science still can't grasp how the Earth keeps it's rotation and the question has been proposed for millennium
can you talk about the mechanics involved?
So how do you expect science to even explain what you have proposed LOL Quoting: Free Store
Que???
Earth is a large heavy object, that originally condensed out of a spinning mass of cosmic star stuff. The physics of this is pretty well understood, although it can be said that no-one was there to actually watch and measure the process... Similarly, we cannot know (for absolute certain) the consistency and materials that comprise every square inch of the planet to it's core.
However, the equations relating to the earth's mass/momentum/rotation/etc are all quite precise, and they fit the observed behavior (which is all one can expect).
As far as I am aware, there is no 'missing mass' or 'wrong speed' problem, so please cite a reference that explains your alleged anomaly/ies, or that gives a precise description about the 'problem' you imply.
I do realise (don't you?) that trying to change the subject like this, and the lack of any links or specifics are all normal BUNKer tactics...
but let's try to bring it back to REALITY AND RELEVANCE, and please be SPECIFIC in your postings, thanks.. |
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Circuit Breaker
Countdown To Nancy's Next Failure
User ID: 612979
7/9/2009 7:23 AM
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It looks like you debunkers don't even want to discuss this stuff rationally. That's why most of us don't waste our time on you anymore. It's all put-downs and spinning people's statements until you get what you want. And you wonder why the conversations always degrade the way they do?
Take a good look at yourselves! Quoting: User # 78/68
I'm rather disappointed in, yes. However, there are only a few "debunkers" that respond less than rationally. And, I have seen you respond with insults to people who responded rationally in the past. I've been responding rationally to Soledad for weeks....she, however, hasn't always done the same.
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 705842
7/9/2009 7:59 AM | | Re: Zetatalk debunker threads are hilarious ... | Quote |
Science still can't grasp how the Earth keeps it's rotation and the question has been proposed for millennium
can you talk about the mechanics involved?
So how do you expect science to even explain what you have proposed LOL Quoting: Free Store
No, let's be clear on this....science has a perfect grasp on all of this. It makes perfect sense. It's YOU who can't get it through your thick skull.
Just because YOU are too stupid to understand something doesn't mean that everyone is. |
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Circuit Breaker
Countdown To Nancy's Next Failure
User ID: 612979
7/9/2009 9:10 AM
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Science still can't grasp how the Earth keeps it's rotation and the question has been proposed for millennium
can you talk about the mechanics involved? Quoting: Free Store
We aren't discussing those points right now and they have no bearing on the existence of "Planet X."
So how do you expect science to even explain what you have proposed LOL Quoting: Free Store
Science explains the other points very well. They've been tested time and time again. How else do you think satellites make it to where we send them? Do you think we just launch a rocket in some general direction and just hope the satellite makes it there? If you don't think science does indeed have some answers, please explain how any of it is wrong. |
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User # 78/68
User ID: 681262
7/9/2009 11:33 AM
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It looks like you debunkers don't even want to discuss this stuff rationally. That's why most of us don't waste our time on you anymore. It's all put-downs and spinning people's statements until you get what you want. And you wonder why the conversations always degrade the way they do?
Take a good look at yourselves!
I'm rather disappointed in, yes. However, there are only a few "debunkers" that respond less than rationally. And, I have seen you respond with insults to people who responded rationally in the past. I've been responding rationally to Soledad for weeks....she, however, hasn't always done the same. Quoting: Circuit Breaker
Yes, CB, I think you are the only one doing this right now. Kudos to you!
With limited time it's hard to repond to all of the crap that gets wound into these talks/ threads. |
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Circuit Breaker
Countdown To Nancy's Next Failure
User ID: 612979
7/9/2009 11:52 AM
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I think what has happened on some occasions, in the past, is that you would make an insulting comment towards someone and I would take offense to it feeling as if you were lumping us all in the same pot and I would respond with my own "attack"...but now, when I see an "attack" I'm more careful about responding...if it's obvious the comment was meant towards a specific person, then I move on. I've grown tired of the pissing matches that really go nowhere and serve no purpose.
Last Edited by Circuit Breaker on 7/9/2009 at 11:53 AM |
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User # 78/68
User ID: 722038
7/9/2009 5:03 PM
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I think what has happened on some occasions, in the past, is that you would make an insulting comment towards someone and I would take offense to it feeling as if you were lumping us all in the same pot and I would respond with my own "attack"...but now, when I see an "attack" I'm more careful about responding...if it's obvious the comment was meant towards a specific person, then I move on. I've grown tired of the pissing matches that really go nowhere and serve no purpose. Quoting: Circuit Breaker
Yep, I'm sick of them myself! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 722438
7/10/2009 7:06 AM | | Re: Zetatalk debunker threads are hilarious ... | Quote |
I think what has happened on some occasions, in the past, is that you would make an insulting comment towards someone and I would take offense to it feeling as if you were lumping us all in the same pot and I would respond with my own "attack"...but now, when I see an "attack" I'm more careful about responding...if it's obvious the comment was meant towards a specific person, then I move on. I've grown tired of the pissing matches that really go nowhere and serve no purpose.
Yep, I'm sick of them myself! Quoting: User # 78/68
then how about you respond to the 2 rational speakers above |
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Preacher Zero
User ID: 722421
7/10/2009 7:16 AM
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How can an object of the size Niburu is purported to be exist ANYWHERE near the solar system without disturbing the orbits of all the planets. In the 1700s using telescopes the same quality that you can now get at ToysRUs observers managed to detect the orbits of the planets to an accuracy that allowed them to predict Neptune and Uranus and Pluto which were eventually discovered right where predicted ( please dont bother with the whole "there's a missing planet" thing, thats been proven wrong already and has no scientific value anymore)?
How can an Niburu be "right on our doorstep" and as some say, visible to everyone already when it simply isn't. If it were there, you could repeatedly and with certainty photograph it at the same times each day. It would simply be there and detectable by at least SOME repeatable means that could be used by anyone. Skip the infrared thing, thats bad science as well. Brown dwarfs are not ONLY visible in infrared, its just the wavelength they EMIT. They would still be just as visible as any other planetary mass.
Explain how each and every prediction that comes along about when it will be visible completely fails, and rather than re-assess your premise reasonably, believers accept a series of decreasingly plausible excuses and allow for increasingly unlikely premise to explain it?
Lets reasonably discuss how by one account its only visible at the south pole, which is completely geometrically impossible, and yet the next day cell phone pictures from Russia are new proof?
Reasonably discuss with me the geometry and math involved that would allow for a periodic orbit of 3500 years, mange to keep it completely hidden by the sun for the last few years, and still visible in Russia on cell phones. Keep in mind that we continue to orbit the sun, so for it to stay next to the sun from our perspective means it would be effectively rotating the sun as well or simply cruise past us. Also discuss rationally how it could be approaching only visible from the south pole (disregarding all the claims and pictures showing it near the sun) and remain only visible from the south pole as we orbit the sun and thus completely change our general orientation.
Discuss rationally the actual orbital trajectories and velocities that would allow a perihelion for a 3500 year orbit that somehow allows it to remain effectively stalled in slow motion anywhere in the inner solar system and maintaining any sort of static viewpoint in comparison to our constantly changing orbit.
There's few dozen other wasy that its existence violates most of known astrophysics and science, as well of almost all of history, but we can start rationally with those few. We don't even have to bring up that Sitchin, the primary source of most of the ideas, has since declared that Nancy is effectively insane and Niburu is nowhere near us at the moment. Sitchin himself isn't terribly rational, so we can leave him out of rational discussion.
Addressing any of these ideas with a logical, rational mode of science and math would be a great start. Quoting: AnTiSoShAL 715294
Very good.
I would like to hear the Zeta believers rebuttals for these points too.
I suspect many will not even take the time to read them however. :(
"Fuck 'em, and their law."
"Universal Truth is Not Measured in Mass Appeal." |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 705842
7/10/2009 7:48 AM | | Re: Zetatalk debunker threads are hilarious ... | Quote |
I think what has happened on some occasions, in the past, is that you would make an insulting comment towards someone and I would take offense to it feeling as if you were lumping us all in the same pot and I would respond with my own "attack"...but now, when I see an "attack" I'm more careful about responding...if it's obvious the comment was meant towards a specific person, then I move on. I've grown tired of the pissing matches that really go nowhere and serve no purpose.
Yep, I'm sick of them myself!
then how about you respond to the 2 rational speakers above Quoting: Anonymous Coward 722438
Yes, User, please do. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 722438
7/11/2009 3:13 AM | | Re: Zetatalk debunker threads are hilarious ... | Quote |
I think what has happened on some occasions, in the past, is that you would make an insulting comment towards someone and I would take offense to it feeling as if you were lumping us all in the same pot and I would respond with my own "attack"...but now, when I see an "attack" I'm more careful about responding...if it's obvious the comment was meant towards a specific person, then I move on. I've grown tired of the pissing matches that really go nowhere and serve no purpose.
Yep, I'm sick of them myself!
then how about you respond to the 2 rational speakers above
Yes, User, please do. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 705842
Come on User, we would all like to hear your response to the calm rational questions above |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 723307
7/11/2009 7:04 AM | | Re: Zetatalk debunker threads are hilarious ... | Quote |
then how about you respond to the 2 rational speakers above
Yes, User, please do.
Come on User, we would all like to hear your response to the calm rational questions above Quoting: Anonymous Coward 722438
Earth to User... we are waiting?
Tap, tap.
12345
Hello?
Testing?
Damn, is this thing switched on? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 723297
7/11/2009 7:07 AM | | Re: Zetatalk debunker threads are hilarious ... | Quote |
He won't even read it fully, none of them will. |
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Free Store
User ID: 142860
7/11/2009 7:14 AM
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Mike Wood plays a big part in the Debunker quest
I'm a 33rd degree Freemason and lifelong member of the Bilderberg Group.
"do geese see god?"
"... lol, do your eyes need proof that they can see for to be able to see? "
gooderboy |
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Free Store
User ID: 142860
7/11/2009 7:27 AM
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This is a sample piece of work from his site
Glory to the Illuminati, Death to the Human Cattle!
Novus Bloggo Seclorum!
Novus Bloggo Seclorum!
Welcome to the inaugural post of NWO Disinfo!
With the recent uptick in mainstream conspiracism, my overlords in the upper echelons of the Bilderberg Group have expressed some concern that our plot to institute a New World Order will soon be discovered by the masses. Though I once held a middle-management post in the NWO’s psy-ops division, a trifling mistake on my part caused a rather sharp reduction in rank. My hopes of a comfortable retirement in a depopulated Earth shattered, I have been dispatched to this blog as a front-line psyber-ops soldier.
My mission: to combat dangerous conspiratorial thinking with the best weapons at the Illuminati’s disposal – science, skepticism, and critical thinking. I debunk without mercy, and I snark without quarter.
If I pull this off, it won’t be long before I’m back in my old position. I’ve already started thinking of new ways to pass hidden messages to paranoid schizophrenics through TV ads. Wish me luck!
[link to nwodisinfo.com]
"do geese see god?"
"... lol, do your eyes need proof that they can see for to be able to see? "
gooderboy |
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DrPostman 
Forum Moderator
User ID: 51197
7/11/2009 8:55 AM
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Some people are so irony and sarcasm challenged that they
really do need some sort of advocacy like Jerry's Kids.
They simply can't find a clue to save their lives.
It actually looks like he wants to disparage a web site that
is supporting the protesters in Iran. That's right, Free Store
supports the Mullahs who are killing their own people in Iran.
Last Edited by DrPostman on 7/11/2009 at 8:57 AM
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Free Store
User ID: 153814
7/11/2009 8:59 AM
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(Hat tip to the folks at Godlike Productions for help with this post! The NWO thanks you, and your deaths will be quick and painless.)
Another snip from Mike Woods site
"do geese see god?"
"... lol, do your eyes need proof that they can see for to be able to see? "
gooderboy |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 723297
7/11/2009 9:09 AM | | Re: Zetatalk debunker threads are hilarious ... | Quote |
(Hat tip to the folks at Godlike Productions for help with this post! The NWO thanks you, and your deaths will be quick and painless.)
Another snip from Mike Woods site Quoting: Free Store
What's your point?
I'm just out of bed so I may be a little slow, but like...
What relevance does this have? |
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Prof_Rabbit
User ID: 148352
7/11/2009 9:11 AM | | Re: Zetatalk debunker threads are hilarious ... | Quote |
The Zeta Wars, coming to a theatre near you this summer.
Two factions, one pile of bullshit.
At this point both sides are coming across as douchebags.
You got the title wrong. It's Zeta Bores and it's a direct to DVD movie about the life of a crazy old woman and her mindless flock of sheep.
That room is full of invisible people who think it was funny. They are just as real as Nancy's planet. Quoting: Menow 405501
And just as real as the Furby.
"Anger is a wind that blows out the lamp of your mind" |
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DrPostman
Forum Moderator
User ID: 51197
7/11/2009 9:19 AM
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What's your point?
I'm just out of bed so I may be a little slow, but like...
What relevance does this have? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 723297
He thinks it's to be taken seriously, especially since that
site made fun of Zetatalk.
"I've had two teenagers who were considering killing themselves, because they didn't want to
be around when the world ends. Two women in the last two weeks said they were contemplating
killing their children and themselves so they wouldn't have to suffer through the end of the world."
-- NASA Astrobiology Institute scientist David Morrison, on 2012 fears
Can't PM? Feel free to email me at DrPostman(at)gmail.com
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Prof_Rabbit
User ID: 148352
7/11/2009 9:22 AM | | Re: Zetatalk debunker threads are hilarious ... | Quote |
Nancy's astronomical claims are NOT the cornerstone of her entire mythology. Quoting: User # 78/68
Well there you have it, Loser correctly states Nancy's astronomical claims are mythology!
The term "mythology" sometimes refers to the study of myths and sometimes refers to a body of myths.
myth
 noun
1. a traditional or legendary story, usually concerning some being or hero or event, with or without a determinable basis of fact or a natural explanation, esp. one that is concerned with deities or demigods and explains some practice, rite, or phenomenon of nature.
2. stories or matter of this kind: realm of myth.
3. any invented story, idea, or concept: His account of the event is pure myth.
4. an imaginary or fictitious thing or person.
5. an unproved or false collective belief that is used to justify a social institution.
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Free Store
User ID: 153814
7/11/2009 9:28 AM
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:>
"do geese see god?"
"... lol, do your eyes need proof that they can see for to be able to see? "
gooderboy |
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