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Zetatalk debunker threads are hilarious ...
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Halcyon Dayz, FCD
User ID: 434868
7/16/2009 8:31 AM
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Nice job controlling the battle field and dominating to conversation, but all of you missed the point of the thread. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 725512
That is an odd thing to say, the search for truth isn't a contest.
And IMO the reason this discussion was so unbalanced (apart from the debunkers having reality on their side), was your inability, or unwillingness, to clearly state and explain your position.
Mysticism, and assorted newage woo, thrives on ambiguity and vagueness.
On 'feelings' rather than facts.
But that won't work with people who have reasonable reasoning skills.
[link to xkcd.com]
An idea is not responsible for the people who believe in it. - Don Marquis
To defy the authority of empirical evidence is to disqualify oneself as someone worthy of critical engagement in a dialogue. - Tenzin Gyatso
Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem - William of Ockham
The truth maybe out there, but lies are inside your head - Terry Pratchett
HALCYON DAYS STOP BEING A DIPSHIT ALL YOUR LIFE YOU MORON - Anonymous Coward |
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Menow
User ID: 405501
7/16/2009 9:55 AM | | Re: Zetatalk debunker threads are hilarious ... | Quote |
Alright .. there will be no presentation just because menow said I would. It just isn't enough to make me click my mouse. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 725512
YOU made brazen claims about voluminous geological data being available. Why don't you present your data?
I also now more that three or four zetatalk follows who have invested in the "different lifestyles" None of them threw there lives away on it though. So I would say it is your friends issues long before it is Nancy's. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 725512
Nancy preys on the gullible and vulnerable. You have no problem with this?
Note to all debunkers: Since science is something we can not agree upon and arguing about it is silly, can you debunk zetatalk on philosophical terms.. you know the follow the golden rule and Earth is a school house part?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 725512
Science is the part we CAN debate with some results. If you want to debate philosophy, go right ahead. However, Zetatalk didn't invent the "golden rule" NOR "Earth is a schoolhouse". Did you think it did?
YOU made claims about geological data. YOU need to present it, or admit it doesn't exist and that there is NO such data supporting past poleshifts. What does that do to your silly assertion that the 90 degree shift in one hour would be survivable?
You were blowing smoke out your ass, just as I said.
Idiot.
Dickhead.
PX tard.
How's THAT for "rude"? |
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Menow
User ID: 405501
7/16/2009 10:03 AM | | Re: Zetatalk debunker threads are hilarious ... | Quote |
Nice job controlling the battle field and dominating to conversation, but all of you missed the point of the thread.
Have a nice life. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 725512
As he exits, stage left, tail between legs, having provided NONE of the alleged geological evidence of past poleshifts.
Heh. |
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Menow
User ID: 405501
7/16/2009 10:06 AM | | Re: Zetatalk debunker threads are hilarious ... | Quote |
I have no respect for what you are calling science.
... she typed, her reply to the forum being enabled by quantum and solid-state physics, mathematics, communications theory, computer science, electrical engineering, etc.
Ironic, isn't it, how slow the science haters are to do away
with those very benefits they enjoy from science so much? Quoting: DrPostman
They only eschew science AFTER they cannot hold their own in a discussion of same, as we have seen here. It is to laugh. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 705842
7/16/2009 10:15 AM | | Re: Zetatalk debunker threads are hilarious ... | Quote |
I'm late to the table, but have read through the past few pages. What a great demonstration of the fact that the bunkers have no evidence at all to support their claims! Good job, Menow. You made some great arguments.
Well done. |
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KeepingItReal
User ID: 553451
7/16/2009 11:05 AM
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Snip.....
Mysticism, and assorted newage woo, thrives on ambiguity and vagueness.
On 'feelings' rather than facts.
But that won't work with people who have reasonable reasoning skills.
[ link to xkcd.com]
The new age "philosophies" are no different from a religion. They are just as constraining and dis empowering. One thing that all of these doctrines have in common is that by the act of believing, you are saved, be it from hell and damnation, prison planet or destruction on earth, and rewarded in some afterlife. The new agers are even worse than the bible thumpers, because they think they are so advanced when really, they have only traded the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost for aliens, ascended masters and disembodied spirits. They are still bound by doctrine and leaders and will never be free nor will they reach their true full potential as long as they are controlled by it all.
Take Nancy's school house for example. She states that we have free will, but there is only one path. If you walk the path in the direction of the STO, you will reincarnate on earth with the other deserving souls as Zeta/human hybrids. If you walk in the opposite direction, toward STS, you will be sent to a prison planet, and if you are undecided, you will reincarnate as and octopus being be sent to a water world. Sounds a lot like heaven, hell and purgatory to me.
There are so many paths, yet all of the new age doctrines would like to keep us on one path, and there are 3 choices, but only one of them is the right choice. Nancy's "philosophy" appeals to the lazy and the frightened, the ones that are too afraid to explore on their own, act on their beliefs and be accountable for all of their actions and decisions. They need to be told what to do and how to think. It is a shame, because there is so much more out there than these primitive cult religions. A lot of people would rather believe in benevolent superior beings that are going to swoop down and wipe their ass clean, think nice thoughts and wave crystals in the full moon. It is so much easier than meeting self on a path, which can be pretty scary if you cling to preconceptions.
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak. |
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User # 78/68
User ID: 681262
7/16/2009 4:28 PM
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To create layers of deny ability and doubt.
Nothing is real in your world, is it?
Define real.
You asked a question and got an answer.. didn't like the answer so you make it personal.. I thought we all grew out of this in kindergarten?
My point is that in order to look at your "dubunker" material I have to assume that the people posting it are on the up and up. That is an assumption that I am unwilling to make. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 725512
That's the EXACT escalation I was talking about in another thread Postman ... you said you didn't do this???
Anyways, final richter counts are ALWAYS lower then first reports, why is that if they are taking an average? It should go BOTH ways and average out evenly. However, you never see them upgrade these earthquakes after preliminary reports. These guys manipulate data, and it's as plain as the nose on your face. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 705842
7/16/2009 4:35 PM | | Re: Zetatalk debunker threads are hilarious ... | Quote |
What's plain is that YOU haven't the first clue about how magnitudes are measured or calculated. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 727037
7/16/2009 4:40 PM | | Re: Zetatalk debunker threads are hilarious ... | Quote |
These guys manipulate data, and it's as plain as the nose on your face. Quoting: User # 78/68
Nowhere NEAR as much as Nancy manipulates 'truth'. And nowhere near as much as she manipulates YOU. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 726172
7/16/2009 5:09 PM | | Re: Zetatalk debunker threads are hilarious ... | Quote |
To create layers of deny ability and doubt.
Nothing is real in your world, is it?
Define real.
You asked a question and got an answer.. didn't like the answer so you make it personal.. I thought we all grew out of this in kindergarten?
My point is that in order to look at your "dubunker" material I have to assume that the people posting it are on the up and up. That is an assumption that I am unwilling to make.
That's the EXACT escalation I was talking about in another thread Postman ... you said you didn't do this???
Anyways, final richter counts are ALWAYS lower then first reports, why is that if they are taking an average? It should go BOTH ways and average out evenly. However, you never see them upgrade these earthquakes after preliminary reports. These guys manipulate data, and it's as plain as the nose on your face. Quoting: User # 78/68
Do you think that Richter (local magnitude) is the only scale that seismologists use?
Local magnitude is derived from a single seismograph and has it's limitations. That's why there are multiple magnitude scales. |
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AnTiSoShAL
User ID: 725668
7/16/2009 5:17 PM | | Re: Zetatalk debunker threads are hilarious ... | Quote |
Anyways, final richter counts are ALWAYS lower then first reports, why is that if they are taking an average? It should go BOTH ways and average out evenly. However, you never see them upgrade these earthquakes after preliminary reports. These guys manipulate data, and it's as plain as the nose on your face. Quoting: User # 78/68
Actually, No.
Initial reports indicate the MAXIMUM possible intensity indicated by the local report, this is more or less a worst case indication of the potential. ALL seismographs are not instantly networked and monitored by a real time supercomputer, as logical and possible as that may seem. The final determination of true intensity, epicenter and depth are aggregated from multiple and even MANY different factors and readings. This data actually takes a bit of time to aggregate and analyze, and final results are an actual indication of force, location and depth.
Think of the initial readings as a simple indication of the maximum swing of the closest measuring device. Consider the final determined magnitude to be a composite of data indicating the true absolute value of the magnitude as derived from many data sources. Because any single swing recorded for any event is usually higher than the actual strength of the event, the numbers almost always move down to the derived reading.
Or just believe whatever you want and defend it like a bulldog. That seems to pass for conversation on GLP either way. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 658394
7/16/2009 5:23 PM | | Re: Zetatalk debunker threads are hilarious ... | Quote |
How does PX theoretically cause earthquakes again? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 727300
7/16/2009 5:32 PM | | Re: Zetatalk debunker threads are hilarious ... | Quote |
These guys manipulate data, and it's as plain as the nose on your face.
Nowhere NEAR as much as Nancy manipulates 'truth'. And nowhere near as much as she manipulates YOU. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 727037
Admission of guilt. |
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Disturbed
User ID: 374025
7/16/2009 5:40 PM | | Re: Zetatalk debunker threads are hilarious ... | Quote |
I'm late to the table, but have read through the past few pages. What a great demonstration of the fact that the bunkers have no evidence at all to support their claims! Good job, Menow. You made some great arguments.
Well done. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 705842
Zetathreads are usually educational. :yeah:
Not because of the bunkers though... |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 726172
7/16/2009 6:02 PM | | Re: Zetatalk debunker threads are hilarious ... | Quote |
How does PX theoretically cause earthquakes again? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 658394
Didn't you know that planet eX causes everything? |
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DrPostman  
Forum Moderator
User ID: 51197
7/17/2009 1:59 AM
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To create layers of deny ability and doubt.
Nothing is real in your world, is it?
Define real.
You asked a question and got an answer.. didn't like the answer so you make it personal.. I thought we all grew out of this in kindergarten?
My point is that in order to look at your "dubunker" material I have to assume that the people posting it are on the up and up. That is an assumption that I am unwilling to make.
That's the EXACT escalation I was talking about in another thread Postman ... you said you didn't do this???
Anyways, final richter counts are ALWAYS lower then first reports, why is that if they are taking an average? It should go BOTH ways and average out evenly. However, you never see them upgrade these earthquakes after preliminary reports. These guys manipulate data, and it's as plain as the nose on your face. Quoting: User # 78/68
The only words of mine above that you seem to be replying to
are in bold. The rest are someone else's words. And before
you go on about "final richter counts" why don't you look
up what Richter is and why it isn't used as often to describe
the magnitude of a quake these days. There are several ways
to list magnitude which is one of the reasons why you guys
instantly jump to conclusions about a conspiracy. You don't
even know the difference between a ML and Mb, do you?
Haven't you guys noticed those abbreviations on the quake
reports? They are there for a very good reason.
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be around when the world ends. Two women in the last two weeks said they were contemplating
killing their children and themselves so they wouldn't have to suffer through the end of the world."
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 726172
7/17/2009 9:19 AM | |
Free Store
User ID: 151081
7/17/2009 9:58 AM
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Yes where is the mathematical equations that say how the Earth keeps it's rotation
P = mv
F = ma
I.E. it requires a force to change the momentum of an object.
Aristotle was WRONG! Are you still living in the 16th century? Galileo already figured this one out. Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD
Pretty lame answer there
Wasn't the affects or velocity of the Earth's rotation I was looking for
I re-word the question..What are the mechanical mathematical equations of what keeps the Earth's rotation in constant motion?
What 'force' keeps the Earth rotating?
Can that be described in math? And what is that equation?
I looked on the internet but did not find any
"do geese see god?"
"... lol, do your eyes need proof that they can see for to be able to see? "
gooderboy |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 705842
7/17/2009 10:03 AM | | Re: Zetatalk debunker threads are hilarious ... | Quote |
Yes where is the mathematical equations that say how the Earth keeps it's rotation
P = mv
F = ma
I.E. it requires a force to change the momentum of an object.
Aristotle was WRONG! Are you still living in the 16th century? Galileo already figured this one out.
Pretty lame answer there
Wasn't the affects or velocity of the Earth's rotation I was looking for
I re-word the question..What are the mechanical mathematical equations of what keeps the Earth's rotation in constant motion?
What 'force' keeps the Earth rotating?
Can that be described in math? And what is that equation?
I looked on the internet but did not find any Quoting: Free Store
No force, other than its own momentum is required to keep it going. What "force" would cause it to slow down?
Remember, it's spinning in a vaccuum. Momentum keeps it going. |
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Free Store
User ID: 151081
7/17/2009 10:12 AM
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Coriolis Force
As indicated above, Earth's rotation speed varies latitudinally. Because of this and momentum conservation, horizontally-moving objects slightly curve. A simplified way of thinking of this is if an object moves such that its angular momentum is increased from that of Earth's below, it moves to a location of larger Earth angular momentum, and vice-versa. For example, an object moving northeastward in the Northern Hemisphere increases its angular momentum and is moving toward a region with less angular momentum (planet moves slower toward Pole). Thus it turns southeastward (right) and rises (larger angular momentum further from Earth's center).
Remember that the Sun and the Planets tug at the Earth so there is a negative force on the Earth but the Earth overcomes this by??
"do geese see god?"
"... lol, do your eyes need proof that they can see for to be able to see? "
gooderboy |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 726172
7/17/2009 10:21 AM | | Re: Zetatalk debunker threads are hilarious ... | Quote |
Yes where is the mathematical equations that say how the Earth keeps it's rotation
P = mv
F = ma
I.E. it requires a force to change the momentum of an object.
Aristotle was WRONG! Are you still living in the 16th century? Galileo already figured this one out.
Pretty lame answer there
Wasn't the affects or velocity of the Earth's rotation I was looking for
I re-word the question..What are the mechanical mathematical equations of what keeps the Earth's rotation in constant motion?
What 'force' keeps the Earth rotating?
Can that be described in math? And what is that equation?
I looked on the internet but did not find any Quoting: Free Store
You won't understand the math, but try reading this:
[link to articles.adsabs.harvard.edu] |
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Free Store
User ID: 151081
7/17/2009 10:35 AM | | Re: Zetatalk debunker threads are hilarious ... | Quote |
I hope the PDF file loads
24kps and the screen froze up so I will get back here later
I hope the force is recognized in the equation or it won't answer the reason why and how |
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DrPostman
Forum Moderator
User ID: 51197
7/17/2009 10:47 AM
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Quoting: Anonymous Coward 726172
You are attempting rational discourse with a brick wall.
"I've had two teenagers who were considering killing themselves, because they didn't want to
be around when the world ends. Two women in the last two weeks said they were contemplating
killing their children and themselves so they wouldn't have to suffer through the end of the world."
-- NASA Astrobiology Institute scientist David Morrison, on 2012 fears
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Free Store
User ID: 151081
7/17/2009 10:52 AM | | Re: Zetatalk debunker threads are hilarious ... | Quote |
DP has his problems..very deep rooted ones
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Free Store
User ID: 151081
7/17/2009 11:25 AM | | Re: Zetatalk debunker threads are hilarious ... | Quote |
OK this is what I was looking for TYVM..The explanation in theory of the Earth's rotation
I will read it piece by piece and look for the equation that best describes the force that keeps the Earth in it's constant motion of rotation for the last 800 million years
Remember it takes a force to create a force..where is that formula? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 704903
7/17/2009 12:00 PM | | Re: Zetatalk debunker threads are hilarious ... | Quote |
OK this is what I was looking for TYVM..The explanation in theory of the Earth's rotation
I will read it piece by piece and look for the equation that best describes the force that keeps the Earth in it's constant motion of rotation for the last 800 million years
Remember it takes a force to create a force..where is that formula? Quoting: Free Store 151081
why only 800 million yeas?
earth is 4.6 billion years and has been roatating the whole time. It used to roatate faster but the tidal forces of the moon has slowly slowed this roatation lengthening the days. In millions of years the day will be 25 hours long.
Note the huge amounts of time needed to slow the planet even with a constantly acting tidal force. This shows the immense amount of energy involved and how a pole shift halting roatation and tilting the planet wold involve so much energy that the planet would become molten (no chance of survival).
Anyway as for why the earth was created rotating here is something I cut and pasted
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There is no force that causes the planets to rotate. Most of the rotation comes about from the conservation of angular momentum. Angular momentum is given by L=m*w*r2 where m is the mass, w is the angular velocity in radians per second, and r is the radius of the circular motion. Due to conservation of angular momentum, if the radius of the orbit decreases, then its angular velocity must increase (as the mass is constant).
All planetary and stellar systems are born from the collapse of dense interstellar clouds. The clouds may originally be very large (even thousands of light years across). Consider a portion of the cloud the collapses from a size of a light year or so to the size of the solar system. That is a huge change in the size of the system. So, the very slight rotation that the cloud has in the beginning is increased dramatically when the collapse takes place. In fact, this is one of the barriers in star formation: there is excess angular momentum and there has to be a way of losing angular momentum before you can form a star.
Anyway, the bottom line is that stars like the Sun spin from the original angular momentum that was there in the solar nebula from which it formed. Not only that, all orbital motion of the planets (including the spin) is due to this orginal angular momentum. "
This sholud clear up all your questions but since you are a massive idiot it probably will not. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 704903
7/17/2009 12:17 PM | | Re: Zetatalk debunker threads are hilarious ... | Quote |
oh and if the above explination isnt to your liking why dont you just ask the zetas. lol |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 727975
7/17/2009 12:30 PM | | Re: Zetatalk debunker threads are hilarious ... | Quote |
Wasn't it the 22nd of this month that Soledad said PX would be seen by all?
I did a search and couldn't find that thread.
Was that another little white lie? |
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DrPostman
Forum Moderator
User ID: 51197
7/17/2009 1:18 PM
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Wasn't it the 22nd of this month that Soledad said PX would be seen by all?
I did a search and couldn't find that thread.
Was that another little white lie? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 727975
Soledad seems to have abandoned her thread, especially since
Nancy threw her prediction under the bus. But the thread is
still there:
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
"I've had two teenagers who were considering killing themselves, because they didn't want to
be around when the world ends. Two women in the last two weeks said they were contemplating
killing their children and themselves so they wouldn't have to suffer through the end of the world."
-- NASA Astrobiology Institute scientist David Morrison, on 2012 fears
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 705842
7/17/2009 1:22 PM | | Re: Zetatalk debunker threads are hilarious ... | Quote |
Nancy seems to be throwing her own prediction of px being here "before 2012" under the bus as well with her latest "take it with a grain of salt" statement.
The bunkers are finally coming to the realization that it simply does not exist. |
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