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| DrPostman  
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6/18/2009 7:30 PM
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Look at you go!
Look at you lie about what I actually said.
Where did I say the moon spins around it's own axis. I said the same basic thing Nancy Lieder says. The same side always faces us, whatever the mechanism.
You have to be paid to try this hard on topics like this. You sure make a fool of yourself in the process. Quoting: User # 78/68
Wow, you just dig your hole deeper and deeper:
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Nancy Lieder
User ID: 87478
4/30/2006 8:26 AM
Re: ZetaTalk : on BLOG Radio Schedule May 3
No dork, YOU are attempting to put words in Elle's link. That link does NOT say the Moon rotates, it says it orbits.
The Moon is not turning, which is rotation, is it glued to the Earth, one side of it glued to the Earth and the other side perpetually facing outward from the Earth. This is different than 'rotation'
Definition: rotation: The turning or spinning of a body about an axis running through it.
Thus for the Moon to be rotating, it must be spinning about its OWN axis, not glued to something else and thus changing its position when that something else moves. If you hold a book in front of you, pages to your nose, and turn in a complete circle, the BOOK did not turn in a circle, YOU did.
Duh!
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So you really do agree with her.
Only an idiot believes that the Moon doesn't rotate on it's own axis.
That's basic grade school science.
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| Anonymous Coward
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6/18/2009 7:34 PM | | Re: Zetatalk debunker threads are hilarious ... | Quote |
That's basic grade school science. Quoting: DrPostman
Then it's WAY beyond the zeta believers. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 705059
6/18/2009 7:35 PM | | Re: Zetatalk debunker threads are hilarious ... | Quote |
Robin Hood.....your quote is RIGHT THERE!!!! Did you skim so fast as to not notice your OWN WORDS? Postman EVEN BOLDED THEM FOR YOU!!
"So, if the moon is rotating around the Earth, as we all see and the same side is facing us all the time then the moon does indeed have to make a turn as it rotates around us."
Are you saying "make a turn" is different than "Rotate" in Robin Hood speech? Or are you just trying to disagree with the debunkers no matter what they say, just to be contrary?
What an IDIOT. And he could at least use an Errol Flynn picutre, rather than Costner from his GodAwful Robin Hood movie. |
| DrPostman
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6/18/2009 7:36 PM
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On the Moon rotating on it's own axis:
The moon's rate of rotation is the same as its orbital period. This is why the same face (basically) of the moon always faces earth.
A rotation is a movement of an object in a circular motion. A two-dimensional object rotates around a center (or point) of rotation. A three-dimensional object rotates around a line called an axis. If the axis of rotation is within the body, the body is said to rotate upon itself, or spin-which implies relative speed and perhaps free-movement with angular momentum. A circular motion about an external point, e.g. the Earth about the Sun, is called an orbit or more properly an orbital revolution.
[link to wiki.answers.com]
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Why do we see only one side of the Moon, if the Moon rotates about its axis?
Because the Moon is also orbiting around the Earth. If the Moon didn't rotate about its axis, here's what would happen. One side would be facing us right now; two weeks later, when the Moon has gone halfway in its orbit around the Earth, the opposite side of the Moon would be facing us. Here's a picture (the Earth and the Moon should really be spheres, of course, not squares):
E A R T H
E A R T H moon
E A R T H moon
E A R T H moon
E A R T H
After the Moon has gone halfway in its orbit around the Earth, if the Moon didn't spin on its axis, the picture would look like this:
E A R T H
moon E A R T H
moon E A R T H
moon E A R T H
E A R T H
Notice that we on the Earth would now see the opposite side of the Moon (the Earth sees the "m" of "moon" in the first picture, but it sees the "n" of the word "moon" in the second picture).
What really happens is that the Moon is rotating on its axis; it spins once a month, exactly the same length of time as it takes to orbit the Earth. So, after half an orbit around the Earth, the Moon has also spun one-half of a revolution about its axis. The correct second picture looks like this:
E A R T H
noom E A R T H
noom E A R T H
noom E A R T H
E A R T H
Now the Moon has rotated 180 degrees, so the Earth still sees the "m" of "moon".
Here's another picture. After one-quarter of an orbit (about one week after the original picture), the Moon has rotated 90 degrees on its axis, and it looks something like this:
n n n
o o o
o o o
m m m
E A R T H
E A R T H
E A R T H
E A R T H
E A R T H
Once again, the "m" side of "moon" is facing the Earth, but it took an appropriate amount of rotation of the Moon about its axis to keep the "m" side facing the Earth.
So the Moon rotates about its own axis in the same length of time that it takes to orbit the Earth. That's what keeps the same side of the Moon always facing the Earth.
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| Anonymous Coward
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6/18/2009 7:42 PM | | Re: Zetatalk debunker threads are hilarious ... | Quote |
love is in the air |
| User # 78/68
User ID: 681262
6/19/2009 10:49 AM
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Nancy Lieder's description of how and why the moon rotates as Earth spins is a far better explanation than any one I have seen the debunkers make.
This troubles you so much, Postman? Why? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 703876
6/19/2009 10:54 AM | | Re: Zetatalk debunker threads are hilarious ... | Quote |
Nancy Lieder's description of how and why the moon rotates as Earth spins is a far better explanation than any one I have seen the debunkers make.
This troubles you so much, Postman? Why? Quoting: User # 78/68
You mean to tell us her explanation of the moon being "glued" to the earth makes more sense than tidal locking?
I guess to someone with your complete lack of scientific understanding, it could. |
| Duncan Kunz
The Debunker King
User ID: 8107
6/19/2009 11:36 AM
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Nancy Lieder's description of how and why the moon rotates as Earth spins is a far better explanation than any one I have seen the debunkers make. Quoting: User # 78/68
Not surprising; with Nancy's "magic" explanations, her technologically-challenged devotees don't need to actually sit down and think things through.
Why do you suppose that none of Nancy's people have any scientific education?
Those western imperialist warmongers beat us to the Moon. Damn! |
| DrPostman
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User ID: 51197
6/19/2009 12:00 PM
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Nancy Lieder's description of how and why the moon rotates as Earth spins is a far better explanation than any one I have seen the debunkers make.
This troubles you so much, Postman? Why? Quoting: User # 78/68
It's only a little disappointing to see people be so willfully
ignorant of science. So I guess you are back to accepting
that the Moon rotates on it's own axis again, like every
science book teaches?
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 6330
6/19/2009 1:54 PM | | Re: Zetatalk debunker threads are hilarious ... | Quote |
Nancy Lieder's description of how and why the moon rotates as Earth spins is a far better explanation than any one I have seen the debunkers make. Quoting: User # 78/68
Really, #78/68?
Please explain Nancy's description, the traditional description, the difference, and what makes Nancy's more likely. I will likely have a followup question or two. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 707330
6/20/2009 10:35 AM | | Re: Zetatalk debunker threads are hilarious ... | Quote |
Nancy Lieder's description of how and why the moon rotates as Earth spins is a far better explanation than any one I have seen the debunkers make.
Really, #78/68?
Please explain Nancy's description, the traditional description, the difference, and what makes Nancy's more likely. I will likely have a followup question or two. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6330
You won't get what you ask for...luser will just post some flippant insult. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 705842
6/20/2009 12:04 PM | | Re: Zetatalk debunker threads are hilarious ... | Quote |
Luser has NEVER once actually entered into any debate on anything. He isn't capable. Just like he said...he just takes Nancy's word for everything. He has no mind of his own. He is owned by Nancy. |
| User # 78/68
User ID: 681262
6/22/2009 12:56 AM
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Nancy Lieder's description of how and why the moon rotates as Earth spins is a far better explanation than any one I have seen the debunkers make.
This troubles you so much, Postman? Why?
It's only a little disappointing to see people be so willfully
ignorant of science. So I guess you are back to accepting
that the Moon rotates on it's own axis again, like every
science book teaches? Quoting: DrPostman
Dr Postman, do you really believe everything you read?
For hundreds of years on Earth the scientists of the world might as well have been the preachers. We know very little about the way things actually work. Open your mind a little. |
| Whee! 8D (Quebec)
Devil's advocate
User ID: 699155
6/22/2009 1:07 AM
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Nancy Lieder's description of how and why the moon rotates as Earth spins is a far better explanation than any one I have seen the debunkers make.
This troubles you so much, Postman? Why? Quoting: User # 78/68
How do you qualify yourself?
The world woud be a thousand times better place if your silly cults didnt exist. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 673558
The Bible says you must believe the Bible, the Qu'ran says you must believe the Qu'ran, the book of mormon says you must believe the book of mormon, the Pali Canon says you must believe the Pali Canon, the Sruti says you must believe the Sruti, the Avesta says you must believe the Avesta, the Book of Enoch says you must believe the Book of Enoch.
There can be only one of them that is true. Why should yours be the one? If there was one of them that had the complete, undeniable, verifiable truth, the others wouldn't exist anymore.
Searching the undebunkable.
[French Quebecker!] |
| Whee! 8D (Quebec)
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User ID: 699155
6/22/2009 1:08 AM
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Nancy Lieder's description of how and why the moon rotates as Earth spins is a far better explanation than any one I have seen the debunkers make.
This troubles you so much, Postman? Why?
It's only a little disappointing to see people be so willfully
ignorant of science. So I guess you are back to accepting
that the Moon rotates on it's own axis again, like every
science book teaches?
Dr Postman, do you really believe everything you read?
For hundreds of years on Earth the scientists of the world might as well have been the preachers. We know very little about the way things actually work. Open your mind a little. Quoting: User # 78/68
You should read your own post for yourself.
Oh the fucking retarded irony that you didn't even see.
The world woud be a thousand times better place if your silly cults didnt exist. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 673558
The Bible says you must believe the Bible, the Qu'ran says you must believe the Qu'ran, the book of mormon says you must believe the book of mormon, the Pali Canon says you must believe the Pali Canon, the Sruti says you must believe the Sruti, the Avesta says you must believe the Avesta, the Book of Enoch says you must believe the Book of Enoch.
There can be only one of them that is true. Why should yours be the one? If there was one of them that had the complete, undeniable, verifiable truth, the others wouldn't exist anymore.
Searching the undebunkable.
[French Quebecker!] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 6330
6/22/2009 1:54 AM | | Re: Zetatalk debunker threads are hilarious ... | Quote |
Luser has NEVER once actually entered into any debate on anything. He isn't capable. Just like he said...he just takes Nancy's word for everything. He has no mind of his own. He is owned by Nancy. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 705842
Quod est demonstrandum. |
| DrPostman
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User ID: 51197
6/22/2009 3:14 AM
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Dr Postman, do you really believe everything you read?
For hundreds of years on Earth the scientists of the world might as well have been the preachers. We know very little about the way things actually work. Open your mind a little. Quoting: LUser # 78/68
Science never claims to have all the answers (unlike Nancy's
claims about the "Zetas") so by all means explain how science
is wrong about the Moon rotating on it's own axis. I'm
open minded enough to pay attention if you want to explain.
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| Menow
User ID: 405501
6/22/2009 10:41 AM | | Re: Zetatalk debunker threads are hilarious ... | Quote |
Nancy Lieder's description of how and why the moon rotates as Earth spins is a far better explanation than any one I have seen the debunkers make.
This troubles you so much, Postman? Why? Quoting: User # 78/68
Nancy says that the Moon rotates? Where? AFAIK, she says it DOESN'T rotate. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 158594
6/22/2009 11:00 AM | | Re: Zetatalk debunker threads are hilarious ... | Quote |
Is there a ZetaTalk explaining why the Moon does not rotate? I looked on ZetaTalk.com and couldn't find anything.
We have made the statement that the Moon itself does not rotate. The Moon completes its orbit every 28 days while it has one-half of its sphere constantly facing the Earth, glued to the Earth. Thus, the Moon orbits but does not rotate. If the Moon were not in a perpetual dance with the Earth, it would not move at all. Rotation is driven by a liquid or semi-liquid core, not homogeneous, which has parts that attempt to move toward attractants and other parts which attempt to escape elements that repulse. The core is swirling about, like a dog chasing its tail. The Earth would rotate even without the presence of the Sun or other planets nearby. The Moon would not. |
| Menow
User ID: 405501
6/22/2009 11:33 AM | | Re: Zetatalk debunker threads are hilarious ... | Quote |
Is there a ZetaTalk explaining why the Moon does not rotate? I looked on ZetaTalk.com and couldn't find anything.
We have made the statement that the Moon itself does not rotate. The Moon completes its orbit every 28 days while it has one-half of its sphere constantly facing the Earth, glued to the Earth. Thus, the Moon orbits but does not rotate. If the Moon were not in a perpetual dance with the Earth, it would not move at all. Rotation is driven by a liquid or semi-liquid core, not homogeneous, which has parts that attempt to move toward attractants and other parts which attempt to escape elements that repulse. The core is swirling about, like a dog chasing its tail. The Earth would rotate even without the presence of the Sun or other planets nearby. The Moon would not. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 158594
I guess you have quoted Zetatalk, here, but you gave no link.
Apparently, "Zetas" say that the Moon DOES NOT ROTATE. So, User, why are you saying the opposit? |
| User # 78/68
User ID: 681262
6/22/2009 11:42 AM
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Is there a ZetaTalk explaining why the Moon does not rotate? I looked on ZetaTalk.com and couldn't find anything.
We have made the statement that the Moon itself does not rotate. The Moon completes its orbit every 28 days while it has one-half of its sphere constantly facing the Earth, glued to the Earth. Thus, the Moon orbits but does not rotate. If the Moon were not in a perpetual dance with the Earth, it would not move at all. Rotation is driven by a liquid or semi-liquid core, not homogeneous, which has parts that attempt to move toward attractants and other parts which attempt to escape elements that repulse. The core is swirling about, like a dog chasing its tail. The Earth would rotate even without the presence of the Sun or other planets nearby. The Moon would not. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 158594
Bingo!
Did you understand that, Dr Postman? The moon turns with the Earth as it is glued to it, it drives it so to speak.
Do you really believe that the moon is spinning on it's axis around the Earth in perfect synchronicity so it's one side only exposed? Really? What are the odds of that?
And, if we could somehow stop the moon from rotating (hypothetical) or slow it down somehow, do you think it would stay at that speed or stay stopped?
Or could it eventually become synchronous with Earth's orbit again? |
| Circuit Breaker
Countdown To Nancy's Next Failure
User ID: 612979
6/22/2009 11:44 AM
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Well, it's obvious you don't understand that the moon does indeed rotate. There's no way to explain it to you in a way you can understand, so just continue believing what you want. You'll be wrong...but you're wrong about a lot of things. Just like Nancy.
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| User # 78/68
User ID: 681262
6/22/2009 11:44 AM
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Is there a ZetaTalk explaining why the Moon does not rotate? I looked on ZetaTalk.com and couldn't find anything.
We have made the statement that the Moon itself does not rotate. The Moon completes its orbit every 28 days while it has one-half of its sphere constantly facing the Earth, glued to the Earth. Thus, the Moon orbits but does not rotate. If the Moon were not in a perpetual dance with the Earth, it would not move at all. Rotation is driven by a liquid or semi-liquid core, not homogeneous, which has parts that attempt to move toward attractants and other parts which attempt to escape elements that repulse. The core is swirling about, like a dog chasing its tail. The Earth would rotate even without the presence of the Sun or other planets nearby. The Moon would not.
I guess you have quoted Zetatalk, here, but you gave no link.
Apparently, "Zetas" say that the Moon DOES NOT ROTATE. So, User, why are you saying the opposit? Quoting: Menow 405501
I agree with what was said above. The semantics game you love so much MeNow is cute. (spin, rotate, turn, orbit) pick one. |
| User # 78/68
User ID: 681262
6/22/2009 11:47 AM
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Well, it's obvious you don't understand that the moon does indeed rotate. There's no way to explain it to you in a way you can understand, so just continue believing what you want. You'll be wrong...but you're wrong about a lot of things. Just like Nancy. Quoting: Circuit Breaker
Circuit Breaker ... maybe, just maybe, you're wrong about a lot of things. I stand by what I believe is happening with the moon. |
| Circuit Breaker
Countdown To Nancy's Next Failure
User ID: 612979
6/22/2009 11:49 AM
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I am wrong about some things. Just not the moon. Maybe this video will help:
[link to www.youtube.com] |
| Menow
User ID: 405501
6/22/2009 11:59 AM | | Re: Zetatalk debunker threads are hilarious ... | Quote |
Is there a ZetaTalk explaining why the Moon does not rotate? I looked on ZetaTalk.com and couldn't find anything.
We have made the statement that the Moon itself does not rotate. The Moon completes its orbit every 28 days while it has one-half of its sphere constantly facing the Earth, glued to the Earth. Thus, the Moon orbits but does not rotate. If the Moon were not in a perpetual dance with the Earth, it would not move at all. Rotation is driven by a liquid or semi-liquid core, not homogeneous, which has parts that attempt to move toward attractants and other parts which attempt to escape elements that repulse. The core is swirling about, like a dog chasing its tail. The Earth would rotate even without the presence of the Sun or other planets nearby. The Moon would not.
I guess you have quoted Zetatalk, here, but you gave no link.
Apparently, "Zetas" say that the Moon DOES NOT ROTATE. So, User, why are you saying the opposit?
I agree with what was said above. The semantics game you love so much MeNow is cute. (spin, rotate, turn, orbit) pick one. Quoting: User # 78/68
You said you agreed with the "Zeta" explanation of why the moon rotates, but they say it does NOT rotate. What is semantic about that? How can you agree with something you have clearly not understood and can't synopsize without contradicting?
By the way, "rotate" and "orbit" are not the same thing at all, so which do you mean? |
| Menow
User ID: 405501
6/22/2009 12:13 PM | | Re: Zetatalk debunker threads are hilarious ... | Quote |
It is truly hilarious how "User" is reduced to simply saying "I agree", while he is unable to explain what it is that he "agrees" with in his own words. What a drone!
Heh. |
| User # 78/68
User ID: 681262
6/22/2009 5:36 PM
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Is there a ZetaTalk explaining why the Moon does not rotate? I looked on ZetaTalk.com and couldn't find anything.
We have made the statement that the Moon itself does not rotate. The Moon completes its orbit every 28 days while it has one-half of its sphere constantly facing the Earth, glued to the Earth. Thus, the Moon orbits but does not rotate. If the Moon were not in a perpetual dance with the Earth, it would not move at all. Rotation is driven by a liquid or semi-liquid core, not homogeneous, which has parts that attempt to move toward attractants and other parts which attempt to escape elements that repulse. The core is swirling about, like a dog chasing its tail. The Earth would rotate even without the presence of the Sun or other planets nearby. The Moon would not.
I guess you have quoted Zetatalk, here, but you gave no link.
Apparently, "Zetas" say that the Moon DOES NOT ROTATE. So, User, why are you saying the opposit?
I guess it went over your head Menow.
It moon orbits the Earth and as it does this it appears to rotate or spin, always keeping the same side facing us. Why is this so hard for you?
Semantic games ... and you play them Menow, you have since you started posting here at GLP.
I agree with what was said above. The semantics game you love so much MeNow is cute. (spin, rotate, turn, orbit) pick one.
You said you agreed with the "Zeta" explanation of why the moon rotates, but they say it does NOT rotate. What is semantic about that? How can you agree with something you have clearly not understood and can't synopsize without contradicting?
By the way, "rotate" and "orbit" are not the same thing at all, so which do you mean? Quoting: Menow 405501
The moon orbits the Earth, and it appears to spin or rotate as it does this. Is this so hard for you to understand?
Since you got here and started posting at GLP you always play semantic games with others.
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| Circuit Breaker
Countdown To Nancy's Next Failure
User ID: 612979
6/22/2009 5:40 PM
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To be fair...you've done the same. For instance, you're saying the moon appears to rotate which implies that it is just an illusion. However, the moon does actually rotate...as the video link I provided clearly shows.
Last Edited by Circuit Breaker on 6/22/2009 at 5:41 PM |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 658394
6/22/2009 5:53 PM | | Re: Zetatalk debunker threads are hilarious ... | Quote |
The stars rise and set on the Moon. It rotates, spins, whatever you call it.
It is tidally locked with the Earth. That is not unusual, as all SORTS of Moons in the solar system are tidally locked to their primaries. They ALL rotate, spin, whatever you call it.
If Earth vanished, the Moon would CONTINUE to spin, rotate, whatever you call it. It would revolve once every 28 days or so.
If the Sun lasted long enough, the Earthless Moon would eventually tidally lock to the Sun.
Come to think of it, the same would happen to the Earth. If the Sun lasted well beyond the five billion years its estimated to last, Earth would have the time to tidally lock to it, with the same face looking at the Sun all the time. Yet, the stars would move overhead, because the rate of Earth's spin would match its orbit around the Sun.
Nancy's 'does not spin' argument is completely semantic on its face. If the Moon did NOT spin, the stars and Sun should not rise or set on the Moon. Yet, we watch this happening every month with the phases of the Moon.
Nancy's wrong. She's playing every semantic game possible to avoid admitting this. |
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