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TO ANYONE WHO IS HOMOSEXUAL AND PROCLAIMING TO BE CHRISTIAN I HAVE A QUESTION.

 
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TO ANYONE WHO IS HOMOSEXUAL AND PROCLAIMING TO BE CHRISTIAN I HAVE A QUESTION.
Firstly I am no judge so I am not judging anyone, we all have our shortcomings. My question is a simple one to homosexuals who are professed christians who follow the bible. This question is not geared toward any other faction of homosexuals.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 is pretty straight foward with stating that homosexuals will not get to be apart of Gods kingdom. How are your pastors and preist able to justify this for you? And how do you explain to others that God condones it if his word the bible clearly says he does not?

Again, this is a question I have never had adequetly answered. I am not judging or bashing. I am merely looking for that point of view with reason. Hopefully scripturally based and not a bunch of "I think" I'd rather more of "The bible says". Thanks in advance.
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Jesus was gay
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Jesus was gay
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Your user name serves you well. (soul of darkness)
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Jesus was gay


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Actually it refers to the dark night of the soul Google is your friend.

But anywhoo, Mark 14:51-52 makes reference that when the posse came to arrest him that there was a young man following Jesus wearing nothing but a cloth. Seems kind of gay.
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John 14:15 "If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.

John 15:12 "This is My commandment, that you love one another, just as I have loved you.



If you have love for one another, then you have fulfilled the law.

Romans 13:10 Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.


Love is the key, not attributes like who or what.
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1 Thessalonians 4:11-12
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Jesus was gay


Your user name serves you well. (soul of darkness)

Actually it refers to the dark night of the soul Google is your friend.

But anywhoo, Mark 14:51-52 makes reference that when the posse came to arrest him that there was a young man following Jesus wearing nothing but a cloth. Seems kind of gay.
 Quoting: SoulDarkness



G4616 Linen Cloth
sindōn
sin-done'
Of uncertain (perhaps foreign) origin; byssos, that is, bleached linen (the cloth or a garment of it): - (fine) linen (cloth).

He had on a garment of fine linen. How does that seem 'gay'?

Aren't we all naked beneath our clothes? Does not make anyone gay.
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"9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,

10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God."

Funny that you didn't address those having premarital sex, idolaters, cheating spouses, men who can't run a chainsaw, thieves, the envious, the drunks, and evangelical "send me a check" con men.
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Re: TO ANYONE WHO IS HOMOSEXUAL AND PROCLAIMING TO BE CHRISTIAN I HAVE A QUESTION.
Firstly I am no judge so I am not judging anyone, we all have our shortcomings. My question is a simple one to homosexuals who are professed christians who follow the bible. This question is not geared toward any other faction of homosexuals.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 is pretty straight foward with stating that homosexuals will not get to be apart of Gods kingdom. How are your pastors and preist able to justify this for you? And how do you explain to others that God condones it if his word the bible clearly says he does not?

Again, this is a question I have never had adequetly answered. I am not judging or bashing. I am merely looking for that point of view with reason. Hopefully scripturally based and not a bunch of "I think" I'd rather more of "The bible says". Thanks in advance.
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You, Sir, are beholden to a particular translation of a translation of the Bible. I challenge you to take Corinthians 6:9-10 and find the key word which has been translated historically as many things, not just as homosexuals.

For a bit more on the topic, however:

[link to www.religioustolerance.org]
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Jesus was gay
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Blasphemy! God have mercy on your soul.
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"9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,

10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God."

Funny that you didn't address those having premarital sex, idolaters, cheating spouses, men who can't run a chainsaw, thieves, the envious, the drunks, and evangelical "send me a check" con men.
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+1
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Why did Jesus pick only 12 guys to be his apostles?????

Hmmmmmm???????????

Reminds me of Right-Wing Leader Ted Haggard who said he wanted to have an orgie with 12 College guys!!!!

But, for the record, gays are going to HELL!!!!!!!!!!
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I am a gay man and a strict follower of Zjesus. Here is why:
You say, OP "the bible is clear"- but open your eyes and be surprised!!
The passage you quote is a poor translation- I have said this time after time. The bible is not perfect. It has mistakes. Bad translation is common in it. There is no such thing as inerrant scripture.
Now, the words "effeminate" and "homosexual" are very poor word renderings. The author actually was speaking of temple male prostitutes and preditorial child molesters. The bible has a common thread of condemnation to serial immmoral behavior, ie,sexing around life style.
The bible in no way condems commited , same sex partner ships.

The church today has it wrong wrong wrong. The view that we are being taught is with great error, and many innocent people are being punished and caused great harm by these false teachings.

I reach out in humble christian love, and state to you, there is a place for us gay people in the church.
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worship worship KD
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Dude I'm an atheist and even I know you cannot claim to be openly and happily gay and be a genuine Christian.
It's one or the other.
You can't have your cake and eat it know what I mean?

Homosexuality goes against the core dogma of Christinaity.
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I reach out in humble christian love, and state to you, there is a place for us gay people in the church.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 703935


Yea, I bet if I bend over and show u my ass, you'll show me how much love you got!!!

damned faggot!!!

You twist the scriptures to fit your own perverse agenda of butt banging!!
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Jesus was gay


Your user name serves you well. (soul of darkness)

Actually it refers to the dark night of the soul Google is your friend.

But anywhoo, Mark 14:51-52 makes reference that when the posse came to arrest him that there was a young man following Jesus wearing nothing but a cloth. Seems kind of gay.
 Quoting: SoulDarkness


And Jesus, being angered , went off with her into the garden where the tomb was, and straightway, going in where the youth was, he stretched forth his hand and raised him, seizing his hand. But the youth, looking upon him, loved him and began to beseech him that he might be with him. And going out of the tomb they came into the house of the youth, for he was rich. And after six days Jesus told him what to do and in the evening the youth comes to him, wearing a linen cloth over his naked body. And he remained with him that night, for Jesus thaught him the mystery of the Kingdom of God. And thence, arising, he returned to the other side of the Jordan."

[link to www.gnosis.org]
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Yeah, true. And two of them - Jonathan and Barnabus were fairly open about being lovers for a very long time. Pissed Paul off but Jesus didn't have a problem with it at all...

You go figure out what he was trying to tell us...


Why did Jesus pick only 12 guys to be his apostles?????

Hmmmmmm???????????

Reminds me of Right-Wing Leader Ted Haggard who said he wanted to have an orgie with 12 College guys!!!!

But, for the record, gays are going to HELL!!!!!!!!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 677668
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Re: TO ANYONE WHO IS HOMOSEXUAL AND PROCLAIMING TO BE CHRISTIAN I HAVE A QUESTION.
Firstly I am no judge so I am not judging anyone, we all have our shortcomings. My question is a simple one to homosexuals who are professed christians who follow the bible. This question is not geared toward any other faction of homosexuals.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 is pretty straight foward with stating that homosexuals will not get to be apart of Gods kingdom. How are your pastors and preist able to justify this for you? And how do you explain to others that God condones it if his word the bible clearly says he does not?

Again, this is a question I have never had adequetly answered. I am not judging or bashing. I am merely looking for that point of view with reason. Hopefully scripturally based and not a bunch of "I think" I'd rather more of "The bible says". Thanks in advance.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 618413


why do fornicators proclaim to be christian?
why do people who dishonor their parents, elders proclaim to be christian?
why do prochoice advocates proclaim to be christian?
why do soldiers and armies proclaim to be christian?

everyone is a sinner OP, and yes by making this thread so are you...no matter how much you say your not judging, that is exactly what you are doing, sinner.

so tell us, why do you proclaim to be christian, when NO ONE is sin free?
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I reach out in humble christian love, and state to you, there is a place for us gay people in the church.


Yea, I bet if I bend over and show u my ass, you'll show me how much love you got!!!

damned faggot!!!

You twist the scriptures to fit your own perverse agenda of butt banging!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 677668


Another supposedly straight heterosexual who is fixated on how other people have sex. Sorry, bub, been on this rock long enough to see you for what you are -- in the closet.
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Dude I'm an atheist and even I know you cannot claim to be openly and happily gay and be a genuine Christian.
It's one or the other.
You can't have your cake and eat it know what I mean?

Homosexuality goes against the core dogma of Christinaity.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 704586


Actually, it doesn't. You have not dug deep enough into the bowels of Christianity -- I suggest you try it.

For starters, the passages which are generally used of the Bible to condemn homosexuality are very poor translations into English. I would further encourage you to seek out the book "What the Bible REALLY says about homosexuality" by Helmeniak.
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"9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,

10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God."

Funny that you didn't address those having premarital sex, idolaters, cheating spouses, men who can't run a chainsaw, thieves, the envious, the drunks, and evangelical "send me a check" con men.
 Quoting: Riker


IMO:

Verse 11 is important: "And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God."


That passage (verse 9-10) describes those who would break these laws and still remain unrepentant. Those who are unrepentant will not inherit the Kingdom. We are all guilty of violation of these laws.

But, verse 11 tells us that we can repent.
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I reach out in humble christian love, and state to you, there is a place for us gay people in the church.


Yea, I bet if I bend over and show u my ass, you'll show me how much love you got!!!

damned faggot!!!

You twist the scriptures to fit your own perverse agenda of butt banging!!


Another supposedly straight heterosexual who is fixated on how other people have sex. Sorry, bub, been on this rock long enough to see you for what you are -- in the closet.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 484854


WTF???? In the closet????

You see how these faggot homo's want to turn everybody fukn gay!!!!

They should be SHOT for this!!!!!!!!!!!
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Oh please. Anyone who claims to be a christian and follows the word of the Bible to a T is a liar.

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Jesus was gay


Your user name serves you well. (soul of darkness)

Actually it refers to the dark night of the soul Google is your friend.

But anywhoo, Mark 14:51-52 makes reference that when the posse came to arrest him that there was a young man following Jesus wearing nothing but a cloth. Seems kind of gay.



G4616 Linen Cloth
sindōn
sin-done'
Of uncertain (perhaps foreign) origin; byssos, that is, bleached linen (the cloth or a garment of it): - (fine) linen (cloth).

He had on a garment of fine linen. How does that seem 'gay'?

Aren't we all naked beneath our clothes? Does not make anyone gay.
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The guy was wearing a loin cloth if that's not gay I don't know what is.
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"9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,

10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God."

Funny that you didn't address those having premarital sex, idolaters, cheating spouses, men who can't run a chainsaw, thieves, the envious, the drunks, and evangelical "send me a check" con men.


IMO:

Verse 11 is important: "And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God."


That passage (verse 9-10) describes those who would break these laws and still remain unrepentant. Those who are unrepentant will not inherit the Kingdom. We are all guilty of violation of these laws.

But, verse 11 tells us that we can repent.
 Quoting: tangelo


It does... but it doesn't explain why the OP hasn't addressed this thread to Christians who continue to cheat, are envious, drink too much, have sexual relations before marriage, etc etc etc
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Re: TO ANYONE WHO IS HOMOSEXUAL AND PROCLAIMING TO BE CHRISTIAN I HAVE A QUESTION.
Firstly I am no judge so I am not judging anyone, we all have our shortcomings. My question is a simple one to homosexuals who are professed christians who follow the bible. This question is not geared toward any other faction of homosexuals.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 is pretty straight foward with stating that homosexuals will not get to be apart of Gods kingdom. How are your pastors and preist able to justify this for you? And how do you explain to others that God condones it if his word the bible clearly says he does not?

Again, this is a question I have never had adequetly answered. I am not judging or bashing. I am merely looking for that point of view with reason. Hopefully scripturally based and not a bunch of "I think" I'd rather more of "The bible says". Thanks in advance.


why do fornicators proclaim to be christian?
why do people who dishonor their parents, elders proclaim to be christian?
why do prochoice advocates proclaim to be christian?
why do soldiers and armies proclaim to be christian?

everyone is a sinner OP, and yes by making this thread so are you...no matter how much you say your not judging, that is exactly what you are doing, sinner.

so tell us, why do you proclaim to be christian, when NO ONE is sin free?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 658020

There hasn't been a sin free soul since Adam and Eve left the garden. It's not as simple as knowing you've sinned... it's having conviction in your actions. Doing a moral thing for a greater good. Most gays and lesbians keep to themselves, and all they're doing is sharing love... One of the most crucial parts to our existence.

Lets keep in mind, the bible was written by men. Translated and re-written by men. We can't fairly judge where God really stands on this issue simply because so much has been lost in translation and time. I'm a firm believer in God, but I can't put all my faith into the words of men who lived 2 thousand years ago in a different time, with different struggles. I put ALL my faith in God. And anyone who has God in their heart will know when they do wrong, not because a book told them, but because they can feel it in their soul.

Regardless, leave the gays alone. Either they go to hell for sinning, or we do for shunning their love. Everyone's view will always differ on this subject, whether we accept them or not. We won't know til we die anyway.
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Jesus was gay

Blasphemy! God have mercy on your soul.
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The holy spirit was gay!
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"9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,

10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God."

Funny that you didn't address those having premarital sex, idolaters, cheating spouses, men who can't run a chainsaw, thieves, the envious, the drunks, and evangelical "send me a check" con men.


IMO:

Verse 11 is important: "And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God."


That passage (verse 9-10) describes those who would break these laws and still remain unrepentant. Those who are unrepentant will not inherit the Kingdom. We are all guilty of violation of these laws.

But, verse 11 tells us that we can repent.


It does... but it doesn't explain why the OP hasn't addressed this thread to Christians who continue to cheat, are envious, drink too much, have sexual relations before marriage, etc etc etc
 Quoting: Riker


but to the XIAN cultists HOMO is a totally different repellent type of sin!
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"9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,

10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God."

Funny that you didn't address those having premarital sex, idolaters, cheating spouses, men who can't run a chainsaw, thieves, the envious, the drunks, and evangelical "send me a check" con men.
 Quoting: Riker

Because thats not what I was asking about. Pretty simple

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