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CHEMTRAILS Outrage the Residents of Florence OR - (((SWINE FLU ANTIGENS SUSPECTED)))

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Ladybug
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7/6/2009 10:53 PM
Re: CHEMTRAILS Outrage the Residents of Florence OR - (((SWINE FLU ANTIGENS SUSPECTED)))Quote

Here in Hawaii, after a clear sky over 4th of July weekend, pilots must have had a few days off, they are back in the sky all day with long but fast spreading chem trails. I been watching for over a year now and notice a shorter burst that spreads faster. These were done by visible planes but they can shoot cannisters off the ocean that sink after they are emptied out.They come and go off a carrier out in the ocean. 1.They are getting everyone used to seeing them daily so that when they increase intoxicity no one will relate. 2. Thyroid problems are very prevalent here, I believe are caused by the aluminum.
td
User ID: 587237
United Kingdom
7/6/2009 11:00 PM
Re: CHEMTRAILS Outrage the Residents of Florence OR - (((SWINE FLU ANTIGENS SUSPECTED)))Quote

In fact I think we'd all happily allow just the video with verifiable landmarks - at least that would be a starting point.

So, your excuse now is.....????
 Quoting: UP 719811

& just what do you think the video "don't talk about the weather" was -

something done on a hollywood soundstage ?
.
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7/7/2009 12:38 AM
Re: CHEMTRAILS Outrage the Residents of Florence OR - (((SWINE FLU ANTIGENS SUSPECTED)))Quote

td, Up is stupid - paid to be stupid. He has a script he's supposed to follow. There is a little team for chemtrail threads, and a team with some of the same shills for UFO threads.
They split up the script, and take different parts on different threads.
If you make Up desperate enough, primarily by ignoring him, he will then create a quote box & make up something to put in it, attributing it to whomever he is attacking that day.

If you want to see it action, ignore him.

Last Edited by Texas Uncensored on 7/7/2009 at 12:38 AM
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7/7/2009 2:00 AM
Re: CHEMTRAILS Outrage the Residents of Florence OR - (((SWINE FLU ANTIGENS SUSPECTED)))Quote

bluedance UP 719811stsy23b

Gee thanks for that amazing piece of information, who ever would have thought it!


"It is NOT supersaturated, AT GROUND LEVEL. I find it astonishing that you cannot grasp this concept - are you unable to think in 3 dimensions???? That 'massive' high pressure cell affects the lower few thousand feet, but then... Haven't you ever looked up and noticed the clouds going one way at low levels, and different way higher up? Don't you even realise that when you look up and see Cirrus clouds, you are seeing ICE CRYSTALS, no matter whether you are in a desert, or at a snow-bound ski chalet? THE WEATHER CHANGES AS YOU ASCEND."
Zec 12:3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.

Psa 9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, [and] all the nations that forget God.

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7/7/2009 2:35 AM
Re: CHEMTRAILS Outrage the Residents of Florence OR - (((SWINE FLU ANTIGENS SUSPECTED)))Quote

THE GUY SEES THE ERROR OF HIS WAYS - JOINS CHEMTRAILERS
band WELCOME ABOARD SAILOR trio


Not quite, lol. Too many facts on my side.

I'm just 100% convinced that "GOVERNMENT SHILL" is a chemtrail believer who posts that same crap over and over again to make skeptics look bad. I tried arguing with him a few times (there are smart people who have been tricked into believing in "chemtrails," etc.), but now I'm pretty sure he really is a shill, on your side.
 Quoting: The Guy


cheerful Humph,

My own fault, I should have known that it was to good to be true.
Zec 12:3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.

Psa 9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, [and] all the nations that forget God.

STOCK UP NOW. You should have at least 6 months worth of basics for every member of your household. Stay away from crowds when trouble starts, do not forget water storage, tobacco is worth more than gold or silver, and be kind to hungry children.
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7/7/2009 2:41 AM
Re: CHEMTRAILS Outrage the Residents of Florence OR - (((SWINE FLU ANTIGENS SUSPECTED)))Quote

td, Up is stupid - paid to be stupid. He has a script he's supposed to follow. There is a little team for chemtrail threads, and a team with some of the same shills for UFO threads.
They split up the script, and take different parts on different threads.
If you make Up desperate enough, primarily by ignoring him, he will then create a quote box & make up something to put in it, attributing it to whomever he is attacking that day.

If you want to see it action, ignore him.
 Quoting: Texas Uncensored

scratching
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UP
User ID: 720003
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7/7/2009 2:45 AM
Re: CHEMTRAILS Outrage the Residents of Florence OR - (((SWINE FLU ANTIGENS SUSPECTED)))Quote

If you make Up desperate enough, primarily by ignoring him, he will then create a quote box & make up something to put in it, attributing it to whomever he is attacking that day.
 Quoting: Texas Uncensored


Please give a direct example of where I did this, TU.

Lying again? If NOT, then you can prove it right here and now.

Tread carefully, dear.
UP
User ID: 720003
Australia
7/7/2009 2:54 AM
Re: CHEMTRAILS Outrage the Residents of Florence OR - (((SWINE FLU ANTIGENS SUSPECTED)))Quote

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Gee thanks for that amazing piece of information, who ever would have thought it!


"It is NOT supersaturated, AT GROUND LEVEL. I find it astonishing that you cannot grasp this concept - are you unable to think in 3 dimensions???? That 'massive' high pressure cell affects the lower few thousand feet, but then... Haven't you ever looked up and noticed the clouds going one way at low levels, and different way higher up? Don't you even realise that when you look up and see Cirrus clouds, you are seeing ICE CRYSTALS, no matter whether you are in a desert, or at a snow-bound ski chalet? THE WEATHER CHANGES AS YOU ASCEND."
 Quoting: 9teen.47™


So I guess that means 1947 agrees, and concedes the point, which essentially tears her whole ridiculous observation about seeing contrails over a desert. FTR I now live near a city where the conditions are rarely conducive to contrails, so I actually miss seeing them. But when I am outback, in the remoter regions of OZ (we have deserts too, sweetie, and I spend a fair amount of my time camping/trekking in these beautiful regions) I often see contrails. Last time, yes, it would have been about 40C (that's about 105F) at ground level. But at 25,000 feet up, you'd freeze to death quite quickly.

Anyway, thanks for playing, 1947. I'm sure those with open minds are picking up some clues here and there, so in a way, you are helping debunk your 'cause'.
Texas Uncensored Subscriber
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7/7/2009 3:04 AM
Re: CHEMTRAILS Outrage the Residents of Florence OR - (((SWINE FLU ANTIGENS SUSPECTED)))Quote

[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
Page 9, post #8, poster -Up'hisass. The quote box and it's contents were created by him, and attributed to me.

I wonder why none of the shills post their own threads. Oh, yeh. Because Karma would be such a bitch, and they are limited to a script.

If you can find a way to ignore him for 20 pages or more, he becomes enraged and goes Off ! It's hysterical. He'll accuse you of evading him, when in truth you have no idea what he said, nor do you care. Equally hilarious.

laugh
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7/7/2009 3:08 AM
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sylvie152 SnakeAirlines piroutte



What an imbecilic, maundering, mental defective you are Tweeny...
 Quoting: SnakeAirlines


matsu

Why thank you Snakie, that's quite a complement coming from you.
Zec 12:3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.

Psa 9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, [and] all the nations that forget God.

STOCK UP NOW. You should have at least 6 months worth of basics for every member of your household. Stay away from crowds when trouble starts, do not forget water storage, tobacco is worth more than gold or silver, and be kind to hungry children.
UP
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7/7/2009 4:43 AM
Re: CHEMTRAILS Outrage the Residents of Florence OR - (((SWINE FLU ANTIGENS SUSPECTED)))Quote

In fact I think we'd all happily allow just the video with verifiable landmarks - at least that would be a starting point.

So, your excuse now is.....????

& just what do you think the video "don't talk about the weather" was -

something done on a hollywood soundstage ?
.
 Quoting: td 587237


Excuse me???? Can you supply the timings on that video where the dates and times were given, and the locations were precisely identified in sufficient detail to identify the flights?

Is that your video? Oh, pleease say yes...
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 717574
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7/7/2009 4:45 AM
Re: CHEMTRAILS Outrage the Residents of Florence OR - (((SWINE FLU ANTIGENS SUSPECTED)))Quote

bump for all of humanity
UP
User ID: 720047
Australia
7/7/2009 4:57 AM
Re: CHEMTRAILS Outrage the Residents of Florence OR - (((SWINE FLU ANTIGENS SUSPECTED)))Quote

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Page 9, post #8, poster -Up'hisass. The quote box and it's contents were created by him, and attributed to me.
 Quoting: Texas Uncensored



Thanks dearie. And I repeat:

It is where I snipped your entire quote, and commented that it was "..nothing useful".

TU, most folks with half a brain would recognise that as meaning your quote was removed as in my opinion it contained .... NOTHING USEFUL. I know you find some basic concepts difficult to grasp, but really...

So to TU, my 'lie' was to insert the two words "nothing useful" in an otherwise empty quote box. She said this about it:
"..creating a quote box, putting a lie in it, and attributing it to anyone else, as you did on this thread"

How is the comment of 'nothing useful' a LIE? It is a comment, and a pretty obvious one at that.


Frankly, I think TU has it all over me for LYING.

She claimed that her long-exposure night shots were taken at 1/1000 sec or greater. LIE. They weren't, as anyone who has used a camera will attest, and she refuses to post the original images as she knows she will be busted.

She repeatedly claims that MUFON have verified her claims. LIE. They have NOT, as far as I or anyone else can find, and she again refuses to post any verifying link.

I'm happy to provide direct links to these lies of TU, but most folk already know about them, I suspect, from the infamous 'Bright Star Like Thing' thread. Happy to post them if asked. There are a lot more, like the numerous times she has said she will never respond to me again - I note she has done the same to MysterySoul and others - and then of course within a few days or even hours, she 'forgets'.


So who rules?

And who lies?

Over to you, dear reader.
Texas Uncensored Subscriber
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7/7/2009 5:01 AM
Re: CHEMTRAILS Outrage the Residents of Florence OR - (((SWINE FLU ANTIGENS SUSPECTED)))Quote

TU, most folks with half a brain would recognise that as meaning your quote was removed as in my opinion it contained .... NOTHING USEFUL. I know you find some basic concepts difficult to grasp, but really...

So to TU, my 'lie' was to insert the two words "nothing useful" in an otherwise empty quote box. She said this about it:"..creating a quote box, putting a lie in it, and attributing it to anyone else, as you did on this thread"

How is the comment of 'nothing useful' a LIE? It is a comment, and a pretty obvious one at that.
 Quoting: UP 720047



You lie, Up your ass, and you are trying to blow it up everyone else's asses.

You admitted it. And you attributed the quote to me.

BTW, in all of my posts about UFO's, etc., all I said is true. Up his ass can't stand it, and can't refute it.

fuckoff2 Shill !
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The Guy
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7/7/2009 5:25 AM
Re: CHEMTRAILS Outrage the Residents of Florence OR - (((SWINE FLU ANTIGENS SUSPECTED)))Quote

Most holding patterns are at lower altitudes, and they would leave circular or elliptical contrails - I've not ever seen such a thing, and I suspect that you won't find much evidence of that. Oh, except for World War II footage showing high altitude dogfights...
 Quoting: UP 719811


I've seen some pics of a contrail from an AWACS holding station.
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Last Edited by The Guy on 7/7/2009 at 5:51 AM
Political tags--such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and. so forth--are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire. The former are idealists acting from highest motives for the greatest good of the greatest number. The latter are surly curmudgeons, suspicious and lacking in altruism. But they are more comfortable neighbors than the other sort.
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7/7/2009 5:49 AM
Re: CHEMTRAILS Outrage the Residents of Florence OR - (((SWINE FLU ANTIGENS SUSPECTED)))Quote

[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
Page 9, post #8, poster -Up'hisass. The quote box and it's contents were created by him, and attributed to me.

I wonder why none of the shills post their own threads. Oh, yeh. Because Karma would be such a bitch, and they are limited to a script.

If you can find a way to ignore him for 20 pages or more, he becomes enraged and goes Off ! It's hysterical. He'll accuse you of evading him, when in truth you have no idea what he said, nor do you care. Equally hilarious.

laugh
 Quoting: Texas Insane


But you didn't say anything useful, so his 'quote' was absolutely correct...
Obey me, for I am root...
SnakeAirlines
User ID: 720066
United States
7/7/2009 5:52 AM
Re: CHEMTRAILS Outrage the Residents of Florence OR - (((SWINE FLU ANTIGENS SUSPECTED)))Quote

What an imbecilic, maundering, mental defective you are Tweeny...
===================

Why thank you Snakie, that's quite a complement coming from you.
 Quoting: 9teen.47™


No, it's not, but...

You're just too vapid to know the difference...
Obey me, for I am root...
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 720014
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7/7/2009 6:13 AM
Re: CHEMTRAILS Outrage the Residents of Florence OR - (((SWINE FLU ANTIGENS SUSPECTED)))Quote

do you guys have ANYTHING to add on the TOPIC???
did you even bother watch that video?

this is SERIOUS shit
Winningjob Subscriber
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7/7/2009 6:17 AM
Re: CHEMTRAILS Outrage the Residents of Florence OR - (((SWINE FLU ANTIGENS SUSPECTED)))Quote

do you guys have ANYTHING to add on the TOPIC???
did you even bother watch that video?

this is SERIOUS shit
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 720014

I don't always add, but I do bump..which is adding.
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SnakeAirlines
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7/7/2009 6:25 AM
Re: CHEMTRAILS Outrage the Residents of Florence OR - (((SWINE FLU ANTIGENS SUSPECTED)))Quote

this is SERIOUS shit
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 720014


You mean that 27 part chemmie wank-fest with the poor imitation of Ringo narrating?

Oh yes...

Serious...

yawn
Obey me, for I am root...
SnakeAirlines
User ID: 720066
United States
7/7/2009 6:26 AM
Re: CHEMTRAILS Outrage the Residents of Florence OR - (((SWINE FLU ANTIGENS SUSPECTED)))Quote

BTW...That was a different thread, but...

Thanks for trying...
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The Guy
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7/7/2009 7:10 AM
Re: CHEMTRAILS Outrage the Residents of Florence OR - (((SWINE FLU ANTIGENS SUSPECTED)))Quote

do you guys have ANYTHING to add on the TOPIC???
did you even bother watch that video?

this is SERIOUS shit
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 720014


I watched the video. Dude sees jet-induced cirrus cloud, assumes someone is spraying. No fact-checking. Tries to elicit emotional response from the audience.

If he had any idea about the realities of cloud formation, he wouldn't be freaking out over a little cirrus. His ignorance allows him to be scared of a cloud. That's what's disgusting.
Political tags--such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and. so forth--are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire. The former are idealists acting from highest motives for the greatest good of the greatest number. The latter are surly curmudgeons, suspicious and lacking in altruism. But they are more comfortable neighbors than the other sort.
-Robert Heinlein
UP
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7/7/2009 10:05 PM
Re: CHEMTRAILS Outrage the Residents of Florence OR - (((SWINE FLU ANTIGENS SUSPECTED)))Quote

In fact I think we'd all happily allow just the video with verifiable landmarks - at least that would be a starting point.

So, your excuse now is.....????

& just what do you think the video "don't talk about the weather" was -

something done on a hollywood soundstage ?
.


Excuse me???? Can you supply the timings on that video where the dates and times were given, and the locations were precisely identified in sufficient detail to identify the flights?

Is that your video? Oh, pleease say yes...
 Quoting: UP 720039


td, you've gone all quiet...

Again, can you tell me where in the video I can find the bits that will allow me to identify those flights? I have a slow connection, and I'm not planning to waste it.

Anyone?
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7/8/2009 12:12 PM
Re: CHEMTRAILS Outrage the Residents of Florence OR - (((SWINE FLU ANTIGENS SUSPECTED)))Quote

grizzy Sorry about that UP,

We have been busy on the CHEMTRAIL VICTORY Thread.
Zec 12:3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.

Psa 9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, [and] all the nations that forget God.

STOCK UP NOW. You should have at least 6 months worth of basics for every member of your household. Stay away from crowds when trouble starts, do not forget water storage, tobacco is worth more than gold or silver, and be kind to hungry children.
UP
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7/8/2009 7:16 PM
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(rubbish removed)
Sorry about that UP,

We have been busy on the CHEMTRAIL VICTORY Thread.
 Quoting: 9teen.47™

Sorry about what? Don't you know how to quote?

Are all your victories as complete as this one? You know, the successful court case. The media coverage. The verified proof, the in-situ testing, the... oh wait.. ....?

Ah yes, such a sweet 'victory'.

Claiming a 'win' on GLP, without anything to back it up - doesn't get any better than that.

(O;
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7/9/2009 1:02 AM
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Claiming a 'win' on GLP, without anything to back it up - doesn't get any better than that.
 Quoting: UP 721325


:ice34: UP,

Go suck an iceburg.
Zec 12:3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.

Psa 9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, [and] all the nations that forget God.

STOCK UP NOW. You should have at least 6 months worth of basics for every member of your household. Stay away from crowds when trouble starts, do not forget water storage, tobacco is worth more than gold or silver, and be kind to hungry children.
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7/9/2009 1:17 AM
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do you guys have ANYTHING to add on the TOPIC???
did you even bother watch that video?

this is SERIOUS shit

I don't always add, but I do bump..which is adding.
 Quoting: Winningjob

. .

Bumps are a very important addition! hf

.
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7/12/2009 3:24 PM
Re: CHEMTRAILS Outrage the Residents of Florence OR - (((SWINE FLU ANTIGENS SUSPECTED)))Quote

Bumps are a very important addition! hf

.
 Quoting: Aquarius 7


grizzy Indeed, where would we be without them.
Zec 12:3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.

Psa 9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, [and] all the nations that forget God.

STOCK UP NOW. You should have at least 6 months worth of basics for every member of your household. Stay away from crowds when trouble starts, do not forget water storage, tobacco is worth more than gold or silver, and be kind to hungry children.
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7/13/2009 3:41 AM
Re: CHEMTRAILS Outrage the Residents of Florence OR - (((SWINE FLU ANTIGENS SUSPECTED)))Quote

Here in Hawaii, after a clear sky over 4th of July weekend, pilots must have had a few days off, they are back in the sky all day with long but fast spreading chem trails. I been watching for over a year now and notice a shorter burst that spreads faster. These were done by visible planes but they can shoot cannisters off the ocean that sink after they are emptied out.They come and go off a carrier out in the ocean. 1.They are getting everyone used to seeing them daily so that when they increase intoxicity no one will relate. 2. Thyroid problems are very prevalent here, I believe are caused by the aluminum.
 Quoting: Ladybug 719918


cheerful

I am very sorry to hear that.
Zec 12:3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.

Psa 9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, [and] all the nations that forget God.

STOCK UP NOW. You should have at least 6 months worth of basics for every member of your household. Stay away from crowds when trouble starts, do not forget water storage, tobacco is worth more than gold or silver, and be kind to hungry children.
The Guy
User ID: 683039
United States
7/13/2009 5:15 AM
Re: CHEMTRAILS Outrage the Residents of Florence OR - (((SWINE FLU ANTIGENS SUSPECTED)))Quote

Here in Hawaii, after a clear sky over 4th of July weekend, pilots must have had a few days off, they are back in the sky all day with long but fast spreading chem trails. I been watching for over a year now and notice a shorter burst that spreads faster. These were done by visible planes but they can shoot cannisters off the ocean that sink after they are emptied out.They come and go off a carrier out in the ocean. 1.They are getting everyone used to seeing them daily so that when they increase intoxicity no one will relate. 2. Thyroid problems are very prevalent here, I believe are caused by the aluminum.
 Quoting: Ladybug 719918


I am very sorry to hear that.
 Quoting: 9teen.47™


And you just believe those claims, just like that?
Political tags--such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and. so forth--are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire. The former are idealists acting from highest motives for the greatest good of the greatest number. The latter are surly curmudgeons, suspicious and lacking in altruism. But they are more comfortable neighbors than the other sort.
-Robert Heinlein
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