I've seen both contrails and chemtrails at the same time in the sky. I even pointed it out to my hubby and father (we were out fishing again). The contrails dissipate quickly (within about 10 minutes) where the chemtrails don't they actually grow and spread.
Gee, almost like the planes are at different altitudes or something!
We could see both planes and they looked to be about the same altitude...
OH I know, one was a fighter jet and the other was a passenger jet??
Just thought I'd help you out with your next debunking attempt.
Of course I never said that I believed in chemtrails other than they ARE different from the normal contrails that I've seen all my life in the skies.
So you can tell the difference between a jet at 35,000 feet and one at 32,000 feet with just eyes from the ground? Amazing! Especially because NOBODY on Earth can do that.
Quoting: 341923
Guess you need a lesson in sarcasm. If you notice there were question marks after. I WAS NOT saying that was in fact the difference. Next time I guess I will have to make sure and note when I am using Sarcasm.
I was only sharing my own observations of things I've seen. Again, my jury is still out on the chemtrails and the ONLY reason I even followed this is as I've noted earlier, Florence is but a short distance from me.
The Guy Mr. Know-it-All User ID: 683039 6/20/2009 11:41 PM
Re: CHEMTRAILS Outrage the Residents of Florence OR - (((SWINE FLU ANTIGENS SUSPECTED)))
So you can tell the difference between a jet at 35,000 feet and one at 32,000 feet with just eyes from the ground? Amazing! Especially because NOBODY on Earth can do that.
Quoting: 341923
Hey! It's not right to be prejudiced against the people with heads like hammerhead sharks!
I've seen both contrails and chemtrails at the same time in the sky. I even pointed it out to my hubby and father (we were out fishing again). The contrails dissipate quickly (within about 10 minutes) where the chemtrails don't they actually grow and spread.
Gee, almost like the planes are at different altitudes or something!
We could see both planes and they looked to be about the same altitude...
OH I know, one was a fighter jet and the other was a passenger jet??
Just thought I'd help you out with your next debunking attempt.
Of course I never said that I believed in chemtrails other than they ARE different from the normal contrails that I've seen all my life in the skies.
So you can tell the difference between a jet at 35,000 feet and one at 32,000 feet with just eyes from the ground? Amazing! Especially because NOBODY on Earth can do that.
Guess you need a lesson in sarcasm. If you notice there were question marks after. I WAS NOT saying that was in fact the difference. Next time I guess I will have to make sure and note when I am using Sarcasm.
I was only sharing my own observations of things I've seen. Again, my jury is still out on the chemtrails and the ONLY reason I even followed this is as I've noted earlier, Florence is but a short distance from me.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 704333
And I didn't say you were saying that one was a fighter jet and the other was a passenger jet. I was clearly responding to the comment about how they lookd to be about the same altitude. Reading comprehension not your strong suit? Just when you think batshit crazy can't get any crazier Emily
goes and ups the ante.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 578960 6/21/2009 12:00 AM
Re: CHEMTRAILS Outrage the Residents of Florence OR - (((SWINE FLU ANTIGENS SUSPECTED)))
Yeah well unlike you, no one is paying me to tell the truth.
Really? Got anything to back that up, or do you always assume people who have the gall to disagree with you must be paid to do so, since you're so obviously right about everything?
Quoting: The Guy
Dude you think you are always right and everyone else is dead wrong.
you are a newbie to this forum and you've joined the discussion about 6 years too late. talk about being behind the learning curve....shheeesshh
why don't you open your mind to the fact the US is performing weather modification. Lots of bills to prove it and lots of research to back it up. You never post anything of value../.only your opinion....and ya know opinions are like assholes ...everybody's got one
you're so blind to the blatant activity overhead.I must say you're nauseating replies are quite comical..
keep it coming...You only make yourself look foolish because you ignore the proof which is easily obtained online by searching the congressional records and bills passed by congress.
This is what's showing up in alarming fashion
cadmium is 126x the toxic limit,
chromium is 282x the toxic limit and
nickel is 169x the toxic limit.
aluminum is a stagg 6,400x the toxic limit,
iron is 28,000x the toxic limit,
magnesium is 5.3x the toxic limit,
potassium is 793x the toxic limit and
sodium is 15.9x the toxic limit
barium is 278x the toxic limit,
copper is 98x the toxic limit,
manganese is a staggering
5,820x the toxic limit
zinc is 593x the toxic limit
I can already predict your response... Let's see actual air samples from the upper atmosphere...It's already been done but you like to shit on research and claim you know better
you are very musch in the minoritty here and you have been handed your ass on a plate countless times on this issue.
I guess you like abuse and you seem to relish in naievity.
You obviously come from a religious paradigm which is seriously flawed.
weather modification is happening over the US and it's a pretty easy subject to research
but keep on posting your one line responses that say nothing
Anonymous Coward User ID: 578960 6/21/2009 12:02 AM
Re: CHEMTRAILS Outrage the Residents of Florence OR - (((SWINE FLU ANTIGENS SUSPECTED)))
So you can tell the difference between a jet at 35,000 feet and one at 32,000 feet with just eyes from the ground? Amazing! Especially because NOBODY on Earth can do that.
Hey! It's not right to be prejudiced against the people with heads like hammerhead sharks!
Quoting: The Guy
I can tell what kind of planes they are through my telescope. I can actually see passenger windows at 35,000 ft.
most of the planes performing these aerial operations are KC 130 Tanker planes. Very easy to spot in a telescope
you have been corrected
Anonymous Coward User ID: 578960 6/21/2009 12:04 AM
Re: CHEMTRAILS Outrage the Residents of Florence OR - (((SWINE FLU ANTIGENS SUSPECTED)))
Dude you think you are always right and everyone else is dead wrong.
you are a newbie to this forum and you've joined the discussion about 6 years too late. talk about being behind the learning curve....shheeesshh
why don't you open your mind to the fact the US is performing weather modification. Lots of bills to prove it and lots of research to back it up. You never post anything of value../.only your opinion....and ya know opinions are like assholes ...everybody's got one
you're so blind to the blatant activity overhead.I must say you're nauseating replies are quite comical..
keep it coming...You only make yourself look foolish because you ignore the proof which is easily obtained online by searching the congressional records and bills passed by congress.
This is what's showing up in alarming fashion
cadmium is 126x the toxic limit,
chromium is 282x the toxic limit and
nickel is 169x the toxic limit.
aluminum is a stagg 6,400x the toxic limit,
iron is 28,000x the toxic limit,
magnesium is 5.3x the toxic limit,
potassium is 793x the toxic limit and
sodium is 15.9x the toxic limit
barium is 278x the toxic limit,
copper is 98x the toxic limit,
manganese is a staggering
5,820x the toxic limit
zinc is 593x the toxic limit
I can already predict your response... Let's see actual air samples from the upper atmosphere...It's already been done but you like to shit on research and claim you know better
you are very musch in the minoritty here and you have been handed your ass on a plate countless times on this issue.
I guess you like abuse and you seem to relish in naievity.
You obviously come from a religious paradigm which is seriously flawed.
weather modification is happening over the US and it's a pretty easy subject to research
but keep on posting your one line responses that say nothing
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 578960
Of course weather modification is being conducted all over the US. However, it's legal, not at all clandestine, and doesn't look at all like contrails, persistent or otherwise. Thanks for playing.
The Guy Mr. Know-it-All User ID: 683039 6/21/2009 12:06 AM
Re: CHEMTRAILS Outrage the Residents of Florence OR - (((SWINE FLU ANTIGENS SUSPECTED)))
Trust nothing evil jester says because he could have wrote that himself mimicking the phraseology of law books. Besides I'm wondering why no one else has brought this up previously, if it where really true.
I couldn't see it in his links.
Quoting: 9teen.47™
now a word of caution for you.
LOOK THIS STUFF UP.
you people are really making me angry.
trust nothing i say???
THEN WHY THE HELL IS MY VIDEO EVEN POSTED HERE!!!!
Correct...... I point out to my friends the difference. And the difference between Military craft and Domestic Airlines. I work in the Airfreight Forwarding business for years. I know all aircraft including Military for I have loaded them and charted a few for airlift of cargo. (Airforce Brat). I point out the 4 engines on the planes that leave the Chemtrails are not Domestic Airlines... WHY, Because I know which airlines have 4 engines on a plane (747-but all of us should know what planes have 4 engines) and their routes daily. I also know the routes from lookups on my database. I will show them a Domestic plane and say, watch, the contrail will disappear in a few mins... Now watch that plane with the 4 engines..... Watch that chemtrail... it will be their for a hour or so....
Anonymous Coward User ID: 578960 6/21/2009 12:45 AM
Re: CHEMTRAILS Outrage the Residents of Florence OR - (((SWINE FLU ANTIGENS SUSPECTED)))
Dude you think you are always right and everyone else is dead wrong.
you are a newbie to this forum and you've joined the discussion about 6 years too late. talk about being behind the learning curve....shheeesshh
why don't you open your mind to the fact the US is performing weather modification. Lots of bills to prove it and lots of research to back it up. You never post anything of value../.only your opinion....and ya know opinions are like assholes ...everybody's got one
you're so blind to the blatant activity overhead.I must say you're nauseating replies are quite comical..
keep it coming...You only make yourself look foolish because you ignore the proof which is easily obtained online by searching the congressional records and bills passed by congress.
This is what's showing up in alarming fashion
cadmium is 126x the toxic limit,
chromium is 282x the toxic limit and
nickel is 169x the toxic limit.
aluminum is a stagg 6,400x the toxic limit,
iron is 28,000x the toxic limit,
magnesium is 5.3x the toxic limit,
potassium is 793x the toxic limit and
sodium is 15.9x the toxic limit
barium is 278x the toxic limit,
copper is 98x the toxic limit,
manganese is a staggering
5,820x the toxic limit
zinc is 593x the toxic limit
I can already predict your response... Let's see actual air samples from the upper atmosphere...It's already been done but you like to shit on research and claim you know better
you are very musch in the minoritty here and you have been handed your ass on a plate countless times on this issue.
I guess you like abuse and you seem to relish in naievity.
You obviously come from a religious paradigm which is seriously flawed.
weather modification is happening over the US and it's a pretty easy subject to research
but keep on posting your one line responses that say nothing
Of course weather modification is being conducted all over the US. However, it's legal, not at all clandestine, and doesn't look at all like contrails, persistent or otherwise. Thanks for playing.
Quoting: The Guy
AND YOU CERTAINLY HAVE A LOT OF CREDIBILITY AS GILLIGAN
ROFL
Anonymous Coward User ID: 578960 6/21/2009 12:50 AM
Re: CHEMTRAILS Outrage the Residents of Florence OR - (((SWINE FLU ANTIGENS SUSPECTED)))
Radionics machine detects possible “simulants” in chemtrails
Results may shed light on the true purpose of the chemtrail campaign
Congress knows that the military has been covertly “spraying” the American public with known toxins since 1949. In more recent years the spraying, supported by Title 50, Chapter 32, Section 1520 of the U.S. Code, has become overt as military planes “legally”criss cross chemtrail clouds over American towns in broad daylight. What if they were spraying us with trace amounts of diseases? What if the trace amounts were not enough to make most healthy people sick but kept their immune systems “turned on?” What if such a scenario was intended to tire healthy people's immune systems out so that they may ultimately become immunologically defenseless?
By Don Harkins
With his “SE-5” plus radioanalysis machine Idaho Observer subscriber Max Willard, 67, of Roseville, Calif., found that chemtrails over his hometown contained a variety of contaminants that include DDT, hepatitis B, anthrax, DDT, and several varieties of flu and viruses associated with AIDS.
Willard was able to analyze the chemtrail clouds by photographing them and comparing the clouds' electrochemical signatures to those of various contagions until a match was found. The process Willard used would appear to be scientifically invalid. However, Willard employed the same process, resonance imaging, to determine the biochemical makeup of chemtrail clouds on earth that NASA scientists use to determine the composition of rocks, minerals and atmospheric gases on other planets.
The findings of Willard, whose professional experience was with industrial waste and water treatment, is supported by the congressional testimony of Leonard A. Cole, PhD., of Rutgers University and gives further insight into the mysteries surrounding the national “chemtrails” controversy.
Dr. Cole testified to the Senate Committee on Veterans' Affairs May 6, 1994, that, as part of chemical and biological weapons research since 1949, the U.S. military has been spraying the American public with a variety of substances. “Evidence suggested that the tests may have been causing illness to exposed citizens. Nevertheless, as army spokesmen subsequently testified, the health of the millions of people exposed was never monitored because the army assumed that the bacteria and chemicals [being sprayed] were harmless,” Dr. Cole, author of “Clouds of Secrecy,” told Congress.
Though the army “assumed” the substances, called “simulants” were “harmless,” the spraying of several substances have been discontinued amid concerns that they may be “causing disease and death.”
Among the “simulants” Dr. Cole claims the army has discontinued spraying on the pubic are the fungus aspergillus fumigatus (the contagion that causes the sometimes deadly disease aspergillus); zinc cadmium sulfide (a known carcinogen); the bacterium serattia marcescens (a bacteria that can cause infections that may lead to death); and dimethyl methylphosphonate (another known toxin and carcinogen).
In the chemtrail clouds over Roseville, Willard's SE-5 detected measurable levels of a variety of pathogens that have been associated with the manifestation of physiological complications such as cancer (medulliary, melanotic, scirrhous, thymus, carcinoma), mucosal infections, upper respiratory complaints, rheumatic fever, strep throat, staph infection, tuberculosis, hepatitis C, candida and cirrhotic and fungal liver disease. There have been epidemic numbers of these types of sicknesses reported throughout the nation in recent years. Those most affected are the elderly and small children.
However, the purpose of seeding American airspace with systemic amounts of toxic substances may be even more sinister than intentionally causing the old and the young to become ill. Several people, including clinical toxicologist Dr. Zane Gard and the late Dr. Clyde Reynolds, concur that exposure to traces of toxins can trigger an immune response in healthy bodies. If the immune system is effectively “turned on” all of the time due to the traces of toxins that have been intentionally seeded into our breathing mixture, then it can be worn out. If millions of people can slowly have their immune systems undermined in this perverse manner, then, when the time is right, they may more easily succumb to pathogens that are more deadly.
“How are we going to survive this as a people unless we somehow protect ourselves from the stuff they are spraying is with?” asked Willard.
Protection will not come from those we pay to represent us in Congress as Congress has been perfecting laws that legalize the use of “human subjects” for chemical and biological weapons testing since the late 1960s. Title 50, Chapter 32, Section 1520 of the U.S. Code makes it “legal” to test chemical and biological weapons on the unsuspecting public so long as unnamed public officials are “notified in advance of such a test or experiment” 30 days in advance. The law's most recent amendment was made in 1997 when Congress was pressured to change the law after thousands of irate Americans expressed their displeasure at being legally reduced to the status of lab rats. Congress responded by changing the law to forbid the use of unsuspecting human subjects for chemical and biological weapons research -- except under certain conditions that really mean the law was not changed at all.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 694565 6/21/2009 2:11 AM
Re: CHEMTRAILS Outrage the Residents of Florence OR - (((SWINE FLU ANTIGENS SUSPECTED)))
I don't know. I go out for a while, come back and find that the shrills have been all over the place. Anyway shrills thanks at least for keeping the thread bumped up while I was away.
Here is a really in your face music/chemtrail video. This was taken at the Merritt Music Festival last July, they where actually spraying in a localised area, just like in Florence OR.
Here is the comment by Northern Disclosure who took the video...
Driving to Vernon and we drove through Merritt which at the time was hosting it's Music Festival. Clear skies before Merritt and after but over Merritt nothing but chemtrails. This is huge I think that we the people need to pay more attention to the USA closed session of Congress because I believe the two are tied together in someway not sure quiet how but this again was taking place over a Music festival with people from all around.
Last Edited by 9teen.47™ on 6/21/2009 at 4:46 AM Zec 12:3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.
Psa 9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, [and] all the nations that forget God.
STOCK UP NOW. You should have at least 6 months worth of basics for every member of your household. Stay away from crowds when trouble starts, do not forget water storage and be kind to hungry children.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 682282 6/21/2009 6:11 AM
Re: CHEMTRAILS Outrage the Residents of Florence OR - (((SWINE FLU ANTIGENS SUSPECTED)))
Humph. I had to google that one. I assume that you mean pendules as in hanging freely. Not as a pendulum in a clock, or the Satanic rock group that has an album/song with the same name.
Yeah I think I can see it: as in small chemtrail clouds hanging freely.
They are kind of odd looking now that you mention it.
Last Edited by 9teen.47™ on 6/21/2009 at 6:37 AM Zec 12:3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.
Psa 9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, [and] all the nations that forget God.
STOCK UP NOW. You should have at least 6 months worth of basics for every member of your household. Stay away from crowds when trouble starts, do not forget water storage and be kind to hungry children.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 704702 6/21/2009 7:09 AM
Re: CHEMTRAILS Outrage the Residents of Florence OR - (((SWINE FLU ANTIGENS SUSPECTED)))
cadmium is 126x the toxic limit,
chromium is 282x the toxic limit and
nickel is 169x the toxic limit.
aluminum is a stagg 6,400x the toxic limit,
iron is 28,000x the toxic limit,
magnesium is 5.3x the toxic limit,
potassium is 793x the toxic limit and
sodium is 15.9x the toxic limit
barium is 278x the toxic limit,
copper is 98x the toxic limit,
manganese is a staggering
5,820x the toxic limit
zinc is 593x the toxic limit
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 578960
Utter
Government Shill User ID: 596199 6/21/2009 7:10 AM
Re: CHEMTRAILS Outrage the Residents of Florence OR - (((SWINE FLU ANTIGENS SUSPECTED)))
The only people who believe in them are the naive and gullible.
NO SMART PERSON really believes in them. The ones who say they do are liars, trying only to mislead you for their own agendas.
Proof of this is that I have to keep telling you and you are still too stupid to get it.
Quoting: Government Shill 596199
Hi Government Shill,
I sure do wish you would tell my mum. She keeps making me take baths to wash them off. Zec 12:3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.
Psa 9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, [and] all the nations that forget God.
STOCK UP NOW. You should have at least 6 months worth of basics for every member of your household. Stay away from crowds when trouble starts, do not forget water storage and be kind to hungry children.
9teen.47™ Time is short. User ID: 707944 6/21/2009 9:23 AM
Re: CHEMTRAILS Outrage the Residents of Florence OR - (((SWINE FLU ANTIGENS SUSPECTED)))
That was a good post. Zec 12:3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.
Psa 9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, [and] all the nations that forget God.
STOCK UP NOW. You should have at least 6 months worth of basics for every member of your household. Stay away from crowds when trouble starts, do not forget water storage and be kind to hungry children.
So you can tell the difference between a jet at 35,000 feet and one at 32,000 feet with just eyes from the ground? Amazing! Especially because NOBODY on Earth can do that.
Hey! It's not right to be prejudiced against the people with heads like hammerhead sharks!
I can tell what kind of planes they are through my telescope. I can actually see passenger windows at 35,000 ft.
most of the planes performing these aerial operations are KC 130 Tanker planes. Very easy to spot in a telescope
you have been corrected
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 578960
Again, I wasn't commenting on the type of plane but that it was said they looked to be the same altitude, which you can't tell even with a telescope.
And by the way, a KC-130 is a prop driven plane. Are you sure you want to insist that is what they were?
Last Edited by 341923 on 6/21/2009 at 9:48 AM Just when you think batshit crazy can't get any crazier Emily
goes and ups the ante.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 704702 6/21/2009 1:12 PM
Re: CHEMTRAILS Outrage the Residents of Florence OR - (((SWINE FLU ANTIGENS SUSPECTED)))
Radionics machine detects possible “simulants” in chemtrails
Results may shed light on the true purpose of the chemtrail campaign
Congress responded by changing the law to forbid the use of unsuspecting human subjects for chemical and biological weapons research -- except under certain conditions that really mean the law was not changed at all.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 578960
That was a nice post 578960, with quite a bit of useful information.
Ignore the shrills folks and keep those good posts coming. Zec 12:3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.
Psa 9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, [and] all the nations that forget God.
STOCK UP NOW. You should have at least 6 months worth of basics for every member of your household. Stay away from crowds when trouble starts, do not forget water storage and be kind to hungry children.
9teen.47™ Time is short. User ID: 708198 6/21/2009 2:26 PM
Re: CHEMTRAILS Outrage the Residents of Florence OR - (((SWINE FLU ANTIGENS SUSPECTED)))
Correct...... I point out to my friends the difference. And the difference between Military craft and Domestic Airlines. I work in the Airfreight Forwarding business for years. I know all aircraft including Military for I have loaded them and charted a few for airlift of cargo. (Airforce Brat). I point out the 4 engines on the planes that leave the Chemtrails are not Domestic Airlines... WHY, Because I know which airlines have 4 engines on a plane (747-but all of us should know what planes have 4 engines) and their routes daily. I also know the routes from lookups on my database. I will show them a Domestic plane and say, watch, the contrail will disappear in a few mins... Now watch that plane with the 4 engines..... Watch that chemtrail... it will be their for a hour or so....
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 590942
Thanks 590942, the truth drives the debunkers crazy.
Last Edited by 9teen.47™ on 6/21/2009 at 2:30 PM Zec 12:3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.
Psa 9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, [and] all the nations that forget God.
STOCK UP NOW. You should have at least 6 months worth of basics for every member of your household. Stay away from crowds when trouble starts, do not forget water storage and be kind to hungry children.
The Guy Mr. Know-it-All User ID: 683039 6/21/2009 2:38 PM
Re: CHEMTRAILS Outrage the Residents of Florence OR - (((SWINE FLU ANTIGENS SUSPECTED)))
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Just thought I'd help you out with your next debunking attempt.
Humph. I had to google that one. I assume that you mean pendules as in hanging freely. Not as a pendulum in a clock, or the Satanic rock group that has an album/song with the same name.
Hi Government Shill,
That was a nice post 578960, with quite a bit of useful information.
