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Will the Antichrist come before Jesus comes back ?

 
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Will the Antichrist come before Jesus comes back ?
I think so. The State of Israel indicates that the Antichrist is very near. Israel would have to be destroyed for Jesus to come back.
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Re: Will the Antichrist come before Jesus comes back ?
That is the way that the Bible explains it.
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Bibi talks about wanting to rebuild the third temple.
This is a big thing to watch for.
Then the abomination of desolation isn't far behind.
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Re: Will the Antichrist come before Jesus comes back ?
If your beliefs are correct, you're probably right.

But, a question to open any minds:

What if the "AntiChrist" concept was just a Roman Catholic "insurance policy," ensuring that any peace-preachers, teaching coexistence, non-religion, and an end to the Pope's war machine would be killed?

Also, on a separate note, Jesus says in the book of Matthew, 24:6,7 that war "must come to pass, but the end is not yet."

That seems similar to a sign in a tavern saying, "Free beer...TOMORROW."

Anyway, just a question.
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Re: Will the Antichrist come before Jesus comes back ?
If your beliefs are correct, you're probably right.

But, a question to open any minds:

What if the "AntiChrist" concept was just a Roman Catholic "insurance policy," ensuring that any peace-preachers, teaching coexistence, non-religion, and an end to the Pope's war machine would be killed?

Also, on a separate note, Jesus says in the book of Matthew, 24:6,7 that war "must come to pass, but the end is not yet."

That seems similar to a sign in a tavern saying, "Free beer...TOMORROW."

Anyway, just a question.
 Quoting: Voices For Guns


What if there was a man named John who lived in exile on Patmos and wrote Revelation?

And, what if in the time of Antichrist it will not be the Catholic church that is recognized as the 'world religion' but rather it is a 'universal religion' and the Pope becomes irrelevant?

What if that warning of wars is simply a road sign on the highway to let people know that the correct exit is forthcoming so that one can keep one's eyes on the road more carefully at that time so as not to miss the exit?

I guess it's a matter of perception and understanding of what the Bible is saying.

And, of course belief.
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got to be after, how can you be anti something that ain't even there?
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Anti

or

Ante

This small difference make a totally different thing.

Anti mean against
Ante mean before
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If your beliefs are correct, you're probably right.

But, a question to open any minds:

What if the "AntiChrist" concept was just a Roman Catholic "insurance policy," ensuring that any peace-preachers, teaching coexistence, non-religion, and an end to the Pope's war machine would be killed?

Also, on a separate note, Jesus says in the book of Matthew, 24:6,7 that war "must come to pass, but the end is not yet."

That seems similar to a sign in a tavern saying, "Free beer...TOMORROW."

Anyway, just a question.


What if there was a man named John who lived in exile on Patmos and wrote Revelation?

And, what if in the time of Antichrist it will not be the Catholic church that is recognized as the 'world religion' but rather it is a 'universal religion' and the Pope becomes irrelevant?

What if that warning of wars is simply a road sign on the highway to let people know that the correct exit is forthcoming so that one can keep one's eyes on the road more carefully at that time so as not to miss the exit?

I guess it's a matter of perception and understanding of what the Bible is saying.

And, of course belief.
 Quoting: tangelo


You are absolutely correct! I guess the important thing is that we accept that we are each "describing an elephant based on the tusk/trunk/tail that we're holding," which was what I was getting at.

I think we would both agree that it is important to try to see the elephant?
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Re: Will the Antichrist come before Jesus comes back ?
It can also mean Opposite
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Re: Will the Antichrist come before Jesus comes back ?
If your beliefs are correct, you're probably right.

But, a question to open any minds:

What if the "AntiChrist" concept was just a Roman Catholic "insurance policy," ensuring that any peace-preachers, teaching coexistence, non-religion, and an end to the Pope's war machine would be killed?

Also, on a separate note, Jesus says in the book of Matthew, 24:6,7 that war "must come to pass, but the end is not yet."

That seems similar to a sign in a tavern saying, "Free beer...TOMORROW."

Anyway, just a question.


What if there was a man named John who lived in exile on Patmos and wrote Revelation?

And, what if in the time of Antichrist it will not be the Catholic church that is recognized as the 'world religion' but rather it is a 'universal religion' and the Pope becomes irrelevant?

What if that warning of wars is simply a road sign on the highway to let people know that the correct exit is forthcoming so that one can keep one's eyes on the road more carefully at that time so as not to miss the exit?

I guess it's a matter of perception and understanding of what the Bible is saying.

And, of course belief.


You are absolutely correct! I guess the important thing is that we accept that we are each "describing an elephant based on the tusk/trunk/tail that we're holding," which was what I was getting at.

I think we would both agree that it is important to try to see the elephant?
 Quoting: Voices For Guns


I agree to a point.

But, I think that the elephant describes itself......just by being an elephant.
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Re: Will the Antichrist come before Jesus comes back ?
If your beliefs are correct, you're probably right.

But, a question to open any minds:

What if the "AntiChrist" concept was just a Roman Catholic "insurance policy," ensuring that any peace-preachers, teaching coexistence, non-religion, and an end to the Pope's war machine would be killed?

Also, on a separate note, Jesus says in the book of Matthew, 24:6,7 that war "must come to pass, but the end is not yet."

That seems similar to a sign in a tavern saying, "Free beer...TOMORROW."

Anyway, just a question.


What if there was a man named John who lived in exile on Patmos and wrote Revelation?

And, what if in the time of Antichrist it will not be the Catholic church that is recognized as the 'world religion' but rather it is a 'universal religion' and the Pope becomes irrelevant?

What if that warning of wars is simply a road sign on the highway to let people know that the correct exit is forthcoming so that one can keep one's eyes on the road more carefully at that time so as not to miss the exit?

I guess it's a matter of perception and understanding of what the Bible is saying.

And, of course belief.


You are absolutely correct! I guess the important thing is that we accept that we are each "describing an elephant based on the tusk/trunk/tail that we're holding," which was what I was getting at.

I think we would both agree that it is important to try to see the elephant?


I agree to a point.

But, I think that the elephant describes itself......just by being an elephant.
 Quoting: tangelo


Sorry, just so we don't get confused and off topic, can you elaborate on that?
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Re: Will the Antichrist come before Jesus comes back ?
It can also mean Opposite
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Muslims call him: The Imposter Christ :Al Masieh El Dajjal
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Re: Will the Antichrist come before Jesus comes back ?
He will make Christians worship him as their awaited son of God
He will make Jews worship him as their promised Messiah
Many followers of other religions and athiests will worship him
Christ will come down from heaven and kill him
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Re: Will the Antichrist come before Jesus comes back ?
If your beliefs are correct, you're probably right.

But, a question to open any minds:

What if the "AntiChrist" concept was just a Roman Catholic "insurance policy," ensuring that any peace-preachers, teaching coexistence, non-religion, and an end to the Pope's war machine would be killed?

Also, on a separate note, Jesus says in the book of Matthew, 24:6,7 that war "must come to pass, but the end is not yet."

That seems similar to a sign in a tavern saying, "Free beer...TOMORROW."

Anyway, just a question.


What if there was a man named John who lived in exile on Patmos and wrote Revelation?

And, what if in the time of Antichrist it will not be the Catholic church that is recognized as the 'world religion' but rather it is a 'universal religion' and the Pope becomes irrelevant?

What if that warning of wars is simply a road sign on the highway to let people know that the correct exit is forthcoming so that one can keep one's eyes on the road more carefully at that time so as not to miss the exit?

I guess it's a matter of perception and understanding of what the Bible is saying.

And, of course belief.


You are absolutely correct! I guess the important thing is that we accept that we are each "describing an elephant based on the tusk/trunk/tail that we're holding," which was what I was getting at.

I think we would both agree that it is important to try to see the elephant?


I agree to a point.

But, I think that the elephant describes itself......just by being an elephant.


Sorry, just so we don't get confused and off topic, can you elaborate on that?
 Quoting: Voices For Guns


Well, my perception is that......let's say that you have never seen an elephant before but you have seen pictures of one, and then one day you actually come across one that is wild.

Do you approach it and grab the tusk or trunk? If so, that elephant may lift you up and toss you like a rag doll.

Do you grab the tail? If so you may get covered in a load of crap. Then the elephant may take it's leg and crush you in a pile of it's own crap too.

In other words......if you know what an elephant is and what it can do to you, you may respect and accept it for what it is.

Or, you dismiss all obvious facts, abandon common sense, and approach it.

You may get burned, you may not.

It's a matter of choice.
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Re: Will the Antichrist come before Jesus comes back ?
Interesting perspective on the metaphor.

My originally mentioning it was based on "The Blind Men and the Elephant," an old Indus Valley story. It's about six blind men describing an elephant based on the part they are feeling, each a little right but all of them very wrong.
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If your beliefs are correct, you're probably right.

But, a question to open any minds:

What if the "AntiChrist" concept was just a Roman Catholic "insurance policy," ensuring that any peace-preachers, teaching coexistence, non-religion, and an end to the Pope's war machine would be killed?

Also, on a separate note, Jesus says in the book of Matthew, 24:6,7 that war "must come to pass, but the end is not yet."

That seems similar to a sign in a tavern saying, "Free beer...TOMORROW."

Anyway, just a question.
 Quoting: Voices For Guns


Except that the antichrist was prophecied about in the book of daniel (and many other places in the OT) hundreds of years before the Roman Catholic Church came into being.
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Re: Will the Antichrist come before Jesus comes back ?
Interesting perspective on the metaphor.

My originally mentioning it was based on "The Blind Men and the Elephant," an old Indus Valley story. It's about six blind men describing an elephant based on the part they are feeling, each a little right but all of them very wrong.
 Quoting: Voices For Guns


Yes, I am familiar with that metaphor.

And, I see the value in it.

I also see a gaping hole in it.

Hopefully the elephant they were touching was a domesticated, trained elephant.

Even then, it's still a wild animal at heart.

I also find it ironic that the men are blind.
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He will make Christians worship him as their awaited son of God
He will make Jews worship him as their promised Messiah
Many followers of other religions and athiests will worship him
Christ will come down from heaven and kill him
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No mention of agnostics ?

God is such a racist and thougtless being.

agnostics have feelings to, and want to be a part of the shennanigans
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I think so. The State of Israel indicates that the Antichrist is very near. Israel would have to be destroyed for Jesus to come back.
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Really?? The State of Israel? The Jewish Nation? States that the "Anti-Christ" is near. They don't even subscribe to Christ , why would they believe in the Anti?
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Re: Will the Antichrist come before Jesus comes back ?
If your beliefs are correct, you're probably right.

But, a question to open any minds:

What if the "AntiChrist" concept was just a Roman Catholic "insurance policy," ensuring that any peace-preachers, teaching coexistence, non-religion, and an end to the Pope's war machine would be killed?

Also, on a separate note, Jesus says in the book of Matthew, 24:6,7 that war "must come to pass, but the end is not yet."

That seems similar to a sign in a tavern saying, "Free beer...TOMORROW."

Anyway, just a question.


Except that the antichrist was prophecied about in the book of daniel (and many other places in the OT) hundreds of years before the Roman Catholic Church came into being.
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Not doubting you, but may I have the citations?
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Interesting perspective on the metaphor.

My originally mentioning it was based on "The Blind Men and the Elephant," an old Indus Valley story. It's about six blind men describing an elephant based on the part they are feeling, each a little right but all of them very wrong.


Yes, I am familiar with that metaphor.

And, I see the value in it.

I also see a gaping hole in it.

Hopefully the elephant they were touching was a domesticated, trained elephant.

Even then, it's still a wild animal at heart.

I also find it ironic that the men are blind.
 Quoting: tangelo


Lol, given that your view of the metaphor (given that it may have changed to a separate metaphor of some type) is still valid as one, I find it so funny to visualize six blind men being trampled by an elephant. Wow, maybe I should sleep more or something?
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Will the Antichrist come before Jesus comes back ?
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Yes.

So it is written, so shall it be done.
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Yes along with the false prophet who can perform miracles
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Re: Will the Antichrist come before Jesus comes back ?
Interesting perspective on the metaphor.

My originally mentioning it was based on "The Blind Men and the Elephant," an old Indus Valley story. It's about six blind men describing an elephant based on the part they are feeling, each a little right but all of them very wrong.


Yes, I am familiar with that metaphor.

And, I see the value in it.

I also see a gaping hole in it.

Hopefully the elephant they were touching was a domesticated, trained elephant.

Even then, it's still a wild animal at heart.

I also find it ironic that the men are blind.


Lol, given that your view of the metaphor (given that it may have changed to a separate metaphor of some type) is still valid as one, I find it so funny to visualize six blind men being trampled by an elephant. Wow, maybe I should sleep more or something?
 Quoting: Voices For Guns


LOL. I hear ya.

Now, if you get up from that bed one more time young man..... tounge
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The ego is the antichrist....
Beyond one's own mind there is no dazzling light to come shining in from outside to wake one up. If one recognizes one's own intrinsic State as pure from the beginning and only temporarily obscured by impurities, and if one maintains the presence of this recognition without becoming distracted, then all the impurities dissolve. This is the essence of the Path-namkhai norbu.

Why is there a legend about the descent of Christ into hell? The Teacher addressed the lower strata of the astral world, saying: �Why, by cherishing earthly thoughts, bind oneself eternally to Earth?� And many revolted in spirit and rose higher.
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The ego is the antichrist....
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and the lego if jesus
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The antichrist came after the falling away from God's law. The beast antichrist sits in ROME. Futurism is a Jesuit lie.
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Yes and there's no rapture.
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I think so. The State of Israel indicates that the Antichrist is very near. Israel would have to be destroyed for Jesus to come back.
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Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

The "falling away" or THE apostasy must come 1st then the antichrist,then our blessed hope
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
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