Will the Antichrist come before Jesus comes back ?

If your beliefs are correct, you're probably right.

But, a question to open any minds:

What if the "AntiChrist" concept was just a Roman Catholic "insurance policy," ensuring that any peace-preachers, teaching coexistence, non-religion, and an end to the Pope's war machine would be killed?

Also, on a separate note, Jesus says in the book of Matthew, 24:6,7 that war "must come to pass, but the end is not yet."

That seems similar to a sign in a tavern saying, "Free beer...TOMORROW."

Anyway, just a question.

If your beliefs are correct, you're probably right.

But, a question to open any minds:

What if the "AntiChrist" concept was just a Roman Catholic "insurance policy," ensuring that any peace-preachers, teaching coexistence, non-religion, and an end to the Pope's war machine would be killed?

Also, on a separate note, Jesus says in the book of Matthew, 24:6,7 that war "must come to pass, but the end is not yet."

That seems similar to a sign in a tavern saying, "Free beer...TOMORROW."

Anyway, just a question.


What if there was a man named John who lived in exile on Patmos and wrote Revelation?

And, what if in the time of Antichrist it will not be the Catholic church that is recognized as the 'world religion' but rather it is a 'universal religion' and the Pope becomes irrelevant?

What if that warning of wars is simply a road sign on the highway to let people know that the correct exit is forthcoming so that one can keep one's eyes on the road more carefully at that time so as not to miss the exit?

I guess it's a matter of perception and understanding of what the Bible is saying.

And, of course belief.

If your beliefs are correct, you're probably right.

But, a question to open any minds:

What if the "AntiChrist" concept was just a Roman Catholic "insurance policy," ensuring that any peace-preachers, teaching coexistence, non-religion, and an end to the Pope's war machine would be killed?

Also, on a separate note, Jesus says in the book of Matthew, 24:6,7 that war "must come to pass, but the end is not yet."

That seems similar to a sign in a tavern saying, "Free beer...TOMORROW."

Anyway, just a question.


What if there was a man named John who lived in exile on Patmos and wrote Revelation?

And, what if in the time of Antichrist it will not be the Catholic church that is recognized as the 'world religion' but rather it is a 'universal religion' and the Pope becomes irrelevant?

What if that warning of wars is simply a road sign on the highway to let people know that the correct exit is forthcoming so that one can keep one's eyes on the road more carefully at that time so as not to miss the exit?

I guess it's a matter of perception and understanding of what the Bible is saying.

And, of course belief.


You are absolutely correct! I guess the important thing is that we accept that we are each "describing an elephant based on the tusk/trunk/tail that we're holding," which was what I was getting at.

I think we would both agree that it is important to try to see the elephant?

If your beliefs are correct, you're probably right.

But, a question to open any minds:

What if the "AntiChrist" concept was just a Roman Catholic "insurance policy," ensuring that any peace-preachers, teaching coexistence, non-religion, and an end to the Pope's war machine would be killed?

Also, on a separate note, Jesus says in the book of Matthew, 24:6,7 that war "must come to pass, but the end is not yet."

That seems similar to a sign in a tavern saying, "Free beer...TOMORROW."

Anyway, just a question.


What if there was a man named John who lived in exile on Patmos and wrote Revelation?

And, what if in the time of Antichrist it will not be the Catholic church that is recognized as the 'world religion' but rather it is a 'universal religion' and the Pope becomes irrelevant?

What if that warning of wars is simply a road sign on the highway to let people know that the correct exit is forthcoming so that one can keep one's eyes on the road more carefully at that time so as not to miss the exit?

I guess it's a matter of perception and understanding of what the Bible is saying.

And, of course belief.


You are absolutely correct! I guess the important thing is that we accept that we are each "describing an elephant based on the tusk/trunk/tail that we're holding," which was what I was getting at.

I think we would both agree that it is important to try to see the elephant?


I agree to a point.

But, I think that the elephant describes itself......just by being an elephant.

It can also mean Opposite

If your beliefs are correct, you're probably right.

But, a question to open any minds:

What if the "AntiChrist" concept was just a Roman Catholic "insurance policy," ensuring that any peace-preachers, teaching coexistence, non-religion, and an end to the Pope's war machine would be killed?

Also, on a separate note, Jesus says in the book of Matthew, 24:6,7 that war "must come to pass, but the end is not yet."

That seems similar to a sign in a tavern saying, "Free beer...TOMORROW."

Anyway, just a question.


What if there was a man named John who lived in exile on Patmos and wrote Revelation?

And, what if in the time of Antichrist it will not be the Catholic church that is recognized as the 'world religion' but rather it is a 'universal religion' and the Pope becomes irrelevant?

What if that warning of wars is simply a road sign on the highway to let people know that the correct exit is forthcoming so that one can keep one's eyes on the road more carefully at that time so as not to miss the exit?

I guess it's a matter of perception and understanding of what the Bible is saying.

And, of course belief.


You are absolutely correct! I guess the important thing is that we accept that we are each "describing an elephant based on the tusk/trunk/tail that we're holding," which was what I was getting at.

I think we would both agree that it is important to try to see the elephant?


I agree to a point.

But, I think that the elephant describes itself......just by being an elephant.


Sorry, just so we don't get confused and off topic, can you elaborate on that?

If your beliefs are correct, you're probably right.

But, a question to open any minds:

What if the "AntiChrist" concept was just a Roman Catholic "insurance policy," ensuring that any peace-preachers, teaching coexistence, non-religion, and an end to the Pope's war machine would be killed?

Also, on a separate note, Jesus says in the book of Matthew, 24:6,7 that war "must come to pass, but the end is not yet."

That seems similar to a sign in a tavern saying, "Free beer...TOMORROW."

Anyway, just a question.

Interesting perspective on the metaphor.

My originally mentioning it was based on "The Blind Men and the Elephant," an old Indus Valley story. It's about six blind men describing an elephant based on the part they are feeling, each a little right but all of them very wrong.

He will make Christians worship him as their awaited son of God
He will make Jews worship him as their promised Messiah
Many followers of other religions and athiests will worship him
Christ will come down from heaven and kill him

I think so. The State of Israel indicates that the Antichrist is very near. Israel would have to be destroyed for Jesus to come back.

If your beliefs are correct, you're probably right.

But, a question to open any minds:

What if the "AntiChrist" concept was just a Roman Catholic "insurance policy," ensuring that any peace-preachers, teaching coexistence, non-religion, and an end to the Pope's war machine would be killed?

Also, on a separate note, Jesus says in the book of Matthew, 24:6,7 that war "must come to pass, but the end is not yet."

That seems similar to a sign in a tavern saying, "Free beer...TOMORROW."

Anyway, just a question.


Except that the antichrist was prophecied about in the book of daniel (and many other places in the OT) hundreds of years before the Roman Catholic Church came into being.

Interesting perspective on the metaphor.

My originally mentioning it was based on "The Blind Men and the Elephant," an old Indus Valley story. It's about six blind men describing an elephant based on the part they are feeling, each a little right but all of them very wrong.


Yes, I am familiar with that metaphor.

And, I see the value in it.

I also see a gaping hole in it.

Hopefully the elephant they were touching was a domesticated, trained elephant.

Even then, it's still a wild animal at heart.

I also find it ironic that the men are blind.

Will the Antichrist come before Jesus comes back ?

Interesting perspective on the metaphor.

My originally mentioning it was based on "The Blind Men and the Elephant," an old Indus Valley story. It's about six blind men describing an elephant based on the part they are feeling, each a little right but all of them very wrong.


Yes, I am familiar with that metaphor.

And, I see the value in it.

I also see a gaping hole in it.

Hopefully the elephant they were touching was a domesticated, trained elephant.

Even then, it's still a wild animal at heart.

I also find it ironic that the men are blind.


Lol, given that your view of the metaphor (given that it may have changed to a separate metaphor of some type) is still valid as one, I find it so funny to visualize six blind men being trampled by an elephant. Wow, maybe I should sleep more or something?

The ego is the antichrist....

I think so. The State of Israel indicates that the Antichrist is very near. Israel would have to be destroyed for Jesus to come back.