Two Witnesses could be Enoch and Elijah because...

THE SEALING POWER OF ELIJAH:
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Oh no... "Lotus" to show up soon, perhaps?

[cringe]

what do you think of the premise though, that the only two men not to die were Enoch and Elijah and the bible says it is appointed for men to die once...

all this is only speculation because the bible does not explicitly say...

Last Edited by Dread Pirate Roberts on 06/22/2009 06:12 PM

There are other possibilities of this sort to consider.

Yohanan/John as one of the Two.

In Revelation 10 he is given a book to eat by the hand of a mighty angel, and this is what he is told ‘You have to prophesy again concerning many peoples and nations and tongues and sovereigns.’ (10:11)

As far as I can tell, he did not prophesy again after Revelation was written, and it was rumored among the twelve that he was not going to die.

I think you're onto something...

What did Enoch see in his son’s eyes that Adam didn’t see in Cain’s and that Noah didn’t see in Shem’s? Both Adam and Noah lived long and fruitful lives, in fact 930 years and 950 years respectively, but it was Enoch of Genesis who we are told ‘walked the earth with the Lord’ for 300 years before descending without death to join God in his Kingdom.

Did Enoch find something in Methuselah’s heart that allowed him to free his own? Did he find a gift within his child’s heart, perhaps the same gift that the only other great ‘descender’ Elijah discovered in children?

But before the great and terrible day of the Lord comes, I will send you the prophet Elijah. He will bring fathers and children together again; otherwise I would have to come and destroy your country.

Malachi 4

And the secret isn’t confined to the Old Testament, in fact Jesus revealed the secret when he declared that a man must become like a child before he may enter his Father’s kingdom. Jesus knew that children should sit at the feet of the elders; he himself entertained the elders of his own community at the youthful age of twelve.

It was not long after the birth of my first child that I discovered that my daughter had much more to teach me than I her. That the lessons were to be paradoxically reversed much like those of the astonished elders in Jesus’ community.

Since the birth of my child I have chosen to walk in the Lord’s light, just as a child walks without thought or regard for past or future, I too now walk with her upon this enlightened path. But she too one day will have to choose her own path again, to be born again as a child after reaching her own maturity.

We may very soon enter the ‘great and terrible day of the Lord’ and for this reason I suggest that you put down what you are doing, pick up your children and look into their hearts in the hope that you may find your own. Now is the time to walk with the Lord, just as Enoch did; now is the time to learn the lessons of our children.

enoch became metatron

When i get tired of the World (and i do often) the promise from God is my refuge.

I am inclined to think it is Enoch and Elijah that will be the two Witnesses that will come before the Day of the Lord.

Very interesting, I guess we think it's Moses because of The Transfiguration. What was Jesus talking with them about though???

I think you are correct.
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Makes a lot of sense to me!

Hmmm, that sure is true.

But didn't John prophesy again in Rev 12-20? That scripture in 10:11 could be satisfied by the fact that John prophesied from chapters 11-20 about the wrath of God...

Many peoples and nations and tongues and kings = defines the scope of John’s prophecy. Interestingly, Revelation 11:7 focuses on the universality of the human opposition to God’s prophetic witnesses. Revelation 11:18 focuses on the nations in opposition to God’s sovereign rule. Revelation 12:3 focuses on the kings who are in opposition to the eternal plan of God for Israel. Revelation 13:1-2 focuses on kings in opposition to God’s sovereign rule on earth. Therefore, John does in fact prophesy against "peoples, nations, tongues, and kings.
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I don't know, it's a thought

Interesting question. I do not think the answer is in the Bible.

The Urantia Book, however, does address the issue. It was not Moses and Elijah who appeared, that was Peter's assumption. The UB reports it was actually Gabriel and Father Melchizidek. They discussed that status of Jesus' bestowal mission, which, at that time, was for all intents and purposes completed. That is the message imparted to Jesus on their appearance before Him.

I agree, that is a very popular view because of his appearance at the Mount. Moses also had the power to turn water to blood, which is something that one of the Two Witnesses does during the course of his ministry. However, God could endow someone else with that power as well...not hard for God to do that.

Hmmm, I am not dogmatic about it because scripture does not say. Therefore I cannot say. But it is an idea

You are close GDW very close. There is no redemption without redemption of the divine child within. When humanity accept the prophet from God, exalt the children to equality and embrace the covenant of spiritual independence we will be on our way to making everything anew..

I am the Messenger of the Covenant delivered on 999 in Israel for the children of the world.

Lotus

The Urantia Book was supposedly dictated to a Chicago psychiatrist named W.S. Sadler from 1934 to 1935 by a man who spoke in his sleep on behalf of alien super-mortals called revelators. I appreciate your input, but because I am a bible-only Pirate I cannot hold anything from the Book of Urantia as fact.

I still go with Moses & Elijah


Because of Matthew 17

And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart, And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light. And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.

At our Lord's 1st advent so I believe they will be at his 2nd

no no no...

No you are not a "Messenger of the Covenant". Please do not post here because we have already declared you a False Prophet according to the precepts of the bible and therefore everything you say is false. You deny Christ. Begone with you!

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yup, absolutely could be. I can't wait to see it all unfold, anyway!

The two witnesses were fulfilled in the French Revolution as the word of God, the old and new testaments, the Bible.

Rev.11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. 4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.


Then going to another prophetic book which Revelation draws symbology.


Zec.4:1 And the angel that talked with me came again, and waked me, as a man that is wakened out of his sleep. 2 And said unto me, What seest thou? And I said, I have looked, and behold a candlestick all of gold, with a bowl upon the top of it, and his seven lamps thereon, and seven pipes to the seven lamps, which are upon the top thereof: 3 And two olive trees by it, one upon the right side of the bowl, and the other upon the left side thereof. 4 So I answered and spake to the angel that talked with me, saying, What are these, my lord? 5 Then the angel that talked with me answered and said unto me, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord. 6 Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the LORD unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts.
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AMEN! Great thread BTW

I think its will be two out of enoch, elijah, and moses. In particular, I think it will be Elijah and Enoch for this reason. In hebrews 9:27

27And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Enoch and Elijah havent died yet, and it is appointed for them to die, at least once.

Yes Lotus, In Jesus Name I bind the demons that have control over your mind. You are sooooo lost, praying for you.

Your mob like to burn witches for being ungodly...they also burn them for trying to be too godly. It appears that as long as some witch is being burnt...your mob is happy.

In this part of the Plan of Salvation we will learn about the resurrection of mankind including who will be resurrected, when the resurrection will occur, and the resurrection of animals.
What is Resurrection?:

To accurately define the resurrection we must define death which is the separation of the body and the spirit. Thus, resurrection is the reuniting of the body and spirit into a perfect being. The body and mind will be perfect; there will be no diseases, illnesses, deformities, or other disabilities. The body and spirit will never again be separated- and die.

"Resurrected beings have bodies of flesh and bones, tangible, corporeal bodies, bodies that occupy space, digest food, and have power, outwardly, to appear as mortal bodies do" (Mormon Doctrine, "Resurrection," 637.)
Who Was Resurrected First?:

Jesus Christ was the first person to be resurrected. He rose from the grave three days after he was crucified, and his resurrection was the culminating factor of the Atonement. The righteous dead who lived from the day of Adam to the time when Christ broke the bands of death "were with Christ in his resurrection" (D&C 133:55.) To learn more see, "Resurrection of Jesus Christ," and "What is Easter?"
Who Will Be Resurrected?:

Every person who has been born (and thus died) on Earth will be resurrected. It is a free gift to all and is not the result of good works or faith. (See the FAQ, "Saved by Works or Faith?") Jesus Christ made the resurrection possible when he himself broke the bands of death:

"As in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive" (1 Corinthians 15:22.)
When Will the Resurrection Occur?:

Although every person will receive a resurrected body, not all will receive this gift at the same time. Jesus Christ was the first to break the bands of death. At the time of His resurrection, all the righteous dead who had lived from the day of Adam were also resurrected. To those who lived before the resurrection of Christ, this was known as the first resurrection. (See Matthew 27:52-53)

However, for all those who lived after Christ's resurrection until the time of his Second Coming, the first resurrection is yet to happen. The four times appointed for the resurrection are as follows:Morning of the First Resurrection: All those who lived righteously and are destined to receive a full inheritance in the kingdom of God, will be resurrected at the time of Christ's second coming. They shall be caught up to meet the Lord at this time and will descend with him to reign during the millennial era. (See D&C 88:97-98)

Afternoon of the First Resurrection: All those who lived, are Christ's, but are not worthy to receive a full inheritance in God's kingdom. They will receive a portion of Christ's glory but not a fullness. This resurrection will happen after Christ has ushered in the millennium. (See D&C 88:99)Second Resurrection: All those who were wicked in this life and who have suffered the wrath of God while in spirit prison, will come forth in this resurrection which will not happen until the end of the millennium. (See D&C 88:100-101)

Resurrection of Damnation: The last to be resurrected are the sons of perdition who, in this life, gained a perfect knowledge of the divinity of Christ through the Holy Ghost but then chose Satan and came out in open rebellion against Christ. They will be cast out with the devil and his angels and receive no portion of Christ's glory. (See Hell in Three Kingdoms of Glory and D&C 88:102)
Death During the Millennium:

Those who live and die during Christ's millennial reign will not suffer death but will be changed in the "twinkling of an eye".

"Wherefore, children shall grow up until they become old; old men shall die; but they shall not sleep in the dust, but they shall be changed in the twinkling of an eye" (D&C 63:51.)
Resurrection of Earth and Beasts:

Christ's redemption is infinite and extends beyond the salvation of man. The earth, as well as all life found upon the earth, will also come forth in the resurrection. (See Pet Loss to learn about the resurrection of pets.)"And the end shall come, and the heaven and the earth shall be consumed and pass away, and there shall be a new heaven and a new earth.

"For all old things shall pass away, and all things shall become new, even the heaven and the earth, and all the fulness thereof, both men and beasts, the fowls of the air, and the fishes of the sea;

"And not one hair, neither mote, shall be lost, for it is the workmanship of mine hand" (D&C 29:23-25)

Next in God's Plan of Salvation is His Judgment.

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This is what I tend to believe as well because these 2 person in the bible were pretty high-profiles as well as having never died.

But there could be other candidates. During Jesus's ministry, I believe he raised 2 people from the dead. His friend Lazarus and a small girl who Jesus described as just having fallen "asleep".

Then there were those that were raised from the dead by Peter during his ministry.

If a man is appointed once to die, if these people had already died and have been resurrected, did they die 2x or ?

Truly a mystery as to who the 2 witnesses could be.

God Bless!!!

Actually thinking again, since the 2 witnesses do die at the end, I will lean toward believing that the 2 witnesses are Enoch and Elijah.

I don't believe resurrection counts for never having died. It is supposed that they lived on and died later.

Besides Y'shua's/Jesus' works, there are accounts of resurrection in the Old Testament, as well.
1 Kings 17:21-23; 2 Kings 4:34-35; 2 Kings 13:21

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LOL, I could take the inverse: since Enoch and Elijah never died that means they missed their appointment to die once; not precluding others could die more than once. In other words, since Elijah and Enoch never died, if they are not the Two Witnesses, failing to die once would render Hebrews 9:27 untrue.

Hmmm, thanks for making me think!

I concur with you. Those are the two that will soon be on the scene. First though the restrainer must be removed.

I go with Elijah and John.