There's nothing wrong with that music even though it's not genius stuff as someone there wrote it. But it's fun. At least the instruments are doing the beat instead of an extended , endless and without pause chit chat. The altered voice by electronical devices is something very old indeed and nothing wrong either. You're not kijacking the thread, it's also all yours.
grade nine chopper five User ID: 261468 United States 6/27/2009 11:30 AM
Re: There was once music 'til hip hop , rap and all that shit hit the fun
Certainly you've just "drop in" in the topic without reading 4 pages. I have quoted music that I enjoy including Black, Asian, Latino, European, Indian, Gypsies, Jewish, Arabian and you call ME racist? C'mon,be honest and confess you haven't read the whole thread and go back to page 1.
Next moron, please!
inca=chinitial User ID: 713006 Brazil 6/27/2009 11:41 AM
Re: There was once music 'til hip hop , rap and all that shit hit the fun
As a matter of fcat when that "music" is 99.99999 % played by black and for black people, who's the racist? Me by chance? I think your perception of reality is very narrow-minded.
kemet User ID: 713171 United States 6/27/2009 12:32 PM
Re: There was once music 'til hip hop , rap and all that shit hit the fun
inca i don't know why you chose that user name because if you are native i would come at you in a different way but till then i will asume you are a caucasoid. i'm not a fan of most of the rap today but a big fan of a lot of the old rap before it was taken over and the message was controlled, what is music to you inca tell me where do you place the prize for the poeple who have the market cornered on what you call music. it seems you along with most people on this page have a problem with the original peeps of the planet. so now we have destroyed music it seems that is what you believe, why don't you create what you call music for once and stop blaming rap. melanted people are music and has shaped or created just about all music, not hard core rock and maybe a couple of others so tell me what is music and why pick out and on you rap racist coward. the very fact that you and so many think eminim is the best rapper is sick, he rapped about raping his mother and killing her, he make me sick along with the rest of rappers who sold out rap for this bullshit so people like your ass can point your finger at blacks. mucic created by melanated people has alway been universal no matter what and that is a fact, and that is one of the reasons bob marley was murdered because he was a political activist and he put it to music and he could fill a whole arena in italy with people who did not speak english ok inca, if you are native stand up and lets go toe to toe ok lets do this brotha of the planet who along with the original people of the planet lived with the harmony and balance of this planet bring it i would love to see how you come to talk like this as a native. peace love soul to all natives of this planet that has been destroyed and someone will have to answer for it and it will not be rappers.
inca=chinitial User ID: 713006 Brazil 6/27/2009 1:11 PM
Re: There was once music 'til hip hop , rap and all that shit hit the fun
There's no Inca blood in me if that's what you ask and yet I know Incas' music with Pan sort of flute like Greeks ( I dislike the combos they invented in Peru called "chicha" just as I don't like "salsa" which is also a negro combo with Latino music). Have you ever heard Yma Summac Peruvian singer? She appeared in a movie with Charlton Heston which was the inspiration for REAL behind Indiana Jones films. Check her name in the film Secret of the Incas.
Yet the fact that I don't like certain kind of music doesn't reflect in the things I'm wrting here. Salsa (Caribean "azuquitar") or Perez Prado mambo or whatever in that style is music alright. I have discussed other things here. I haven't said the name Eminem but you picked one of my statements saying the best rapper is white and you figured out I was talking about him. Yet, I was making fun of this because he is not "better" than the black people doinf hip hop ir rap: It's all crap! To say he was "better" was a sarcasm of things I've heard about the people who like him but he's gross and does the same horrible thing like the others and even with a more disgusting voice. When that "art" is shitty I can't say for real one shit is better than the other excrement. That all stinks!
Let's use Shakira as an example. She's not "just" HIPS. She's Colombian girl but her race is a combo with Arabian blood hence her influence and her unique voice. Therefore what she does is also music and deserved awarded and even Beyonce had to imitate her in a clip with her. I'm not racist. I am selective. The fact that because of fashion or media interest the same kind of shit is presented all time is also to be blamed. The time and $$$$ invested in inferior quality stuff is absurd. Yet, what's the rule? Only cultured or educated people would understand and not the people who have just heard the same fucking thing 99.99% of their miserable lives.
inca=chinitial User ID: 713006 Brazil 6/27/2009 1:15 PM
Re: There was once music 'til hip hop , rap and all that shit hit the fun
I even mentioned I like Reagge, hence your quoting of Bob Marley is not needed. He was a musician alright like Brazilian artists who are doing some stuff in the same direction. From Brazil eventually I listen Bosanova and other things (also appreciated by Sting, jazz artists and rock and roll players).
inca=chinitial User ID: 713006 Brazil 6/27/2009 1:29 PM
Re: There was once music 'til hip hop , rap and all that shit hit the fun
What's the old rap you like?
If someone has the patience to follow me through all these pages rather than jumping in or dropping at the last page, you'll reckon I have mentioned a lot of stuff which is universal music and not pure Caucasian or white "North American" music. I am someone who's willing to listen, watch, taste, smell, whatever needed in order to appreciate art in its different forms but I have set several examples not just from music to explain what I'm trying to convey. I mentioned in some kind of music with very specific rules within their own range, like Country music, even there we can listen incredible variaty. It's not the case with hip hop and rap because it already started limited by people who are limited themselves. I even put the example of Bob Dylan who cared to much about preaching political or social statements as a single Jew (good comparison with a black) and yet he has undergone a long way beyond his own registered original mark. He evolved and learned from country, blues and rock and roll. Yet, hip hop and rap is CAUGHT IN SPACE AND TIME and rather than having a single representant or two -like Dylan or J. Baez- in their times, now we have a whole-lotta bands with the same fucking sound!!!!!
No matter how much I try to listen is eating rice and beans, beans and rice, rice and beans all over again and again and again, again and again , again and again , v, v, again and again , again and again .... Do I sound REPETITIVE? Am I making you tired or BORED? Well, you got my meaning better, now.
inca=chinitial User ID: 713006 Brazil 6/27/2009 1:33 PM
Re: There was once music 'til hip hop , rap and all that shit hit the fun
The whole shit is like a copy out of a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy repeated 1 million times and based upon a shitty original piece of information. A black copy imitated by Eminen and emminently as awful as the original.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 713171 United States 6/27/2009 2:30 PM
Re: There was once music 'til hip hop , rap and all that shit hit the fun
well i must say i'm glad you are not a native because i was ready to go toe to toe to remind him or her, and that is the only reason i responded not because of a white person saying they hate rap music i don't give a fuck. the only thing i can say to you inca one who is not related to inca, you are not worth debating about blacks and music because like said i the music and message of black music is controlled and i have always liked all music and the fact is afros are apart of all music we have shape or invented almost all kind of music not hard core rock and a couple others shakera is cool i like her beyonce make me sick to my stomach this bitch does not rep good black music shit mariah who is mixed is hitting on the side of soulful music alicia keys is hitting hard and repping soulful music beyonce is a mind controlled bimbo with a following and that is sad she is controlled i am talking about voice and you are talking about hip shaking image i am concered with the soulful mucic and message threw love songs and rythmatic soulful song and music and you are talking about beyonce stealing or imitating someone shaking their hips and i am not defending beyonce but afros and people of afro decent that including shakira that is just a aset to be utilized i can't say she stole it so give me a fugging break stolen hip shaking give me a fucking break. who give a fuck about beyonce only you who want to point out the fucked up artist. we are music melanated people are music. the music you mentioned sound intresting i myself intend to research music and the metaphysics and history behind it . as far as bob dylan give me a brake he learned from music blacks created fact. you call him jew i call him white the ethiopians are the real jews aka hebrews .
kemet User ID: 713171 United States 6/27/2009 3:21 PM
Re: There was once music 'til hip hop , rap and all that shit hit the fun
inca why don't you call yourself something like caveman instead of inca you got me worked up thinking a native would write such not saying a full native would not because i would understand if they did't like rap. one who is not related to inca.
meroj User ID: 713122 United States 6/27/2009 3:24 PM
Re: There was once music 'til hip hop , rap and all that shit hit the fun
As a matter of fcat when that "music" is 99.99999 % played by black and for black people, who's the racist? Me by chance? I think your perception of reality is very narrow-minded.
Quoting: inca=chinitial 713006
That's a very good, and valid, point!
kemet User ID: 713171 United States 6/27/2009 3:49 PM
Re: There was once music 'til hip hop , rap and all that shit hit the fun
i don't buy rap music a majority of the people buying rap is white people and that is a fact. i'm researching the history of music and the metaphysical aspects of it and so rap will be apart of it as well.
inca=chinitial User ID: 713006 Brazil 6/27/2009 4:00 PM
Re: There was once music 'til hip hop , rap and all that shit hit the fun
Aha! Now we have to be black to appreciate music! You are a moron indeed. I am no black but I still like jazz black performers or even Michael Jackson, Diana, Tina Turner and a pleiad of other people since Chuck B was Beatles source of inspiration. Yet to compare that with rap or hip hop, well there's a huge bridge!
Kemet, "que metida de pata" (KE'METIDA DE PATA) you're off course about to crash in your statement that most of white people buy that shit or talking about the metaphysical side of hip hop or rap! I just have to smile and pity you! If you wanna get metaphysical you need to go into progressive rock loooooooooooong ago or perhaps buying Osho CDs , the Greek Vangelis or the Asian Kitaro I already mentioned. NOT METAPHYSICAL RAP! That's an insult to everybody's intelligence. All the opposite, rap and hip hop is gross, raw and aggresive VERY PHYSICAL AND VERY NEGRO CRAP. Climb down from wherever cloud # 9 or 7th heaven you were smoking.
inca=chinitial User ID: 713006 Brazil 6/27/2009 4:13 PM
Re: There was once music 'til hip hop , rap and all that shit hit the fun
I do appreciate black performers as well. Ex Genesis drummer, Phil Collins has a black drummer when he plays his "solo" career not to mention the rest of black musicians. Yet, thanks God this ain't rap, hip hop waste.
inca=chinitial User ID: 713006 Brazil 6/27/2009 4:16 PM
Re: There was once music 'til hip hop , rap and all that shit hit the fun
why don't you list about 1000 artist you are making me yawn, but to be honest i like a lot of them. i'm talking mucic as instruments and one of the instruments i'm intrested in the drum. beats i know you are not arguing the metaphysics of drum beats are you so like i said list 1000 more singers i like some of them but what does that have to do with what i said about metaphysics of music. believe it or not or like it or not hip hop rap are influenced by beats so yes i'm looking into ancient times till now so if you don't mind i am listening to a lecture by a jazz musician on the metaphyics and growth of black music not just jazz but all. black music and the roots and history comes from all over not just the slave fields, so you keep adding to your list you would never understand this black shit or what ever you said. this alot bigger and closer to us than you think but of course you would simplify it that is why i said i would not even get into it with you one who is not inca. you would never understand that does not mean white people especially some of the very people on that list would probly understand a whole lot better than you could force youself to . inca why inca? do you like the inca? there is a very spiritual aspect to music that goes all the way back to the first people on the planet never mind the eurocentric views on music i'm looking for the truth not lies so simply it all you want it much deeper than you will allow your self to believe ok inca. peace soul love vibrating rythm of music also include beats drum beats. some music make you want to cry some dance some laugh some think some tell a story. so like i said fuck beyonce she is nothing and she can't sing and that has nothing to do with metaphysics of music . and i feel the same way about hard core hevy metal probly worse what kind of music is that nothing but noise and screching screaming ha. give the rappers i can't stand any day over that crap. inca....................
dookie stain User ID: 627137 United States 6/27/2009 5:38 PM
Re: There was once music 'til hip hop , rap and all that shit hit the fun
inca fact most of the people who buy rap are white face it and i don't buy it and i am black and i know a lot of blacks who don't by rap, face it that is fact i know a lot of whites who listen to rap. and i love love love phil collins never mind his drummer i have most of his tapes yes i said tapes that was before cds. inca
Anonymous Coward User ID: 713171 United States 6/27/2009 5:42 PM
Re: There was once music 'til hip hop , rap and all that shit hit the fun
inca fact most of the people who buy rap are white face it and i don't buy it and i am black and i know a lot of blacks who don't by rap, face it that is fact i know a lot of whites who listen to rap. and i love love love phil collins never mind his drummer i have most of his tapes yes i said tapes that was before cds. inca
Anonymous Coward User ID: 707545 United Kingdom 6/27/2009 5:43 PM
Re: There was once music 'til hip hop , rap and all that shit hit the fun
I scanned through this entire thread and didn't see a word mentioned that I feel is a great dividing line for music. I saw a few people mention electronic music, which has been around for as long as, well, electricity, but no one mentioned the word:
DIGITAL.
With the advent of digital tech in music, the possibilities in composition and production became SO INFINTE that here we are, 3 decades later, still sorting out what we have and creating even more on a daily basis.
Just about every band cited on this thread as being 'classic groundbreakers of original music(your zeppelins etc)' were recording their masterpieces in 100% analogue equipment. Perhaps with the known limitations that are unique to analogue, the artist is given more time to the finer details of the composition, instead of spending half their time programming outcomes.
A lot of newer artists that are coined 'clones' of past greats are trying to capture the limited analogue sound digitally, usually with HO-HUM results IMHO...
inca=chinitial User ID: 713006 Brazil 6/27/2009 7:01 PM
Re: There was once music 'til hip hop , rap and all that shit hit the fun
Perhaps with too much reading you skipped the part where I, O.P. did mention I like electronic music and I even said the same as you wrote now: that is old thing just like altering human voice. I even set the link "I'm Blue" (used in TRON sequence) which is a bit electronic.
Someone asks me why I use "Inca" nick and is insisting on that trying to find psychological things or guessing. I won't answer. He can guess what he wants, I won't satisfy his curiosity, we're dealing with a specific issue here rather than beat around the bush.
One thing is talking about drums and beats and other thing is about hip hop which really doesn't use that much drums and if that's the case of your argument are we gonna say every single music of every genre MUST BE metaphysical just because they are using drums?
Please, before discussing about metaphysical, get down to planet earth and talk about physical.
Again, I see in your argument you are not discussing music actually but your argument wants to be supported by the saying that black people were the first on earth. Well it's not my intention to discuss about the objectivity of analysis done on mithocondrial DNA of the guessed African "Eve" following the would-be genetic heritage. That's other topic. It's interesting many sophisticated musical instruments WERE NOT INVENTED by black people and even if they did (which I'm not saying it's the case but all the opposite), it seems the cycle got closed and got back to square 1 once again returning to the primitive state. I already mentioned Flinstone Age people used flutes. Black people have always prefered drums, muscles dancing around the beat.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 567074 United States 6/27/2009 7:09 PM
Re: There was once music 'til hip hop , rap and all that shit hit the fun
I know every single human with muscles will dance but you miss the point. I'm say black people and music did enhance that interest compared with other sort of music. I'm saying the black music have always sought their interest in the beat or drums which is not bad at all. As a matter of fact I love that rythm and I have said that influence rock and jazz. Therefore try not to make a sub-sub-subtopic out of the main topic. The discussion is about hip hop and rap which gives emphasis not even in singing, melody -nor drums for that matter- but delivering messages without a pause to breath.. mainly.
To tell you the truth, hip hop is involution regarding the very black roots.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 713171 United States 6/27/2009 7:30 PM
Re: There was once music 'til hip hop , rap and all that shit hit the fun
what the hell are you talking about? i'm talking about the spiritual aspect of africa and native american you stupid fuck you just upset becaus that leaves out the pale man and even all jazz and all the instruments played and the spiritual aspect not who created them i never said anything about creating i said the spiritual aspect what in the hell is wrong with you and i know you must know yes blacks created jazz and they play more than just drums i guess you know that to inca you and you don't know what the hell you are talking about i said i am not a feeling rap today but let me make this perfectly clear a most of rap has the beats and they would not sell unless they had good beats and we are more than drums we are all over music if there is any we have it cornered so face it you damn jerk you see this is why i did not want to do this with a caucasoid you think you know everything and you know nothing about what i am saying. so don't go there about adam and eve because the truth is whites were the last on the planet point blank. i am not intrested in you eurocentrist bullshit about whites were everybody and ivented everything on the planet when you stole most of your history so don't go there adam and eve were not blue eyed and blond and jesus was not either just because you be-LIE-ve that euro crap i don't have to . ha you should call yourself inca killer..............................
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